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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2021, 07:22:10 pm »
This is funny because this Karl Marx avatar Twitter user doesn't realize this meme is literally describing fascism.



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It's always the best when you get someone to agree with Marx without them realizing you're talking about Marx.
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/rbxv9e/its_always_the_best_when_you_get_someone_to_agree/


Here's the full scene from the movie. Literal fascism.



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The symbolism of the fasces suggests strength through unity (see Unity makes strength); a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces#Origin_and_symbolism

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The Italian term fascismo is derived from fascio, meaning 'bundle of sticks', ultimately from the Latin word fasces.[2]
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The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break.[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Etymology

It's literally on the Wikipedia page for fascism, but they think it's communism. LOL.
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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2022, 08:48:17 pm »
Our enemies report:

https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/01/shoot-the-anti-vaxers/

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Ostfildern — Christof Bolay (54, SPD), mayor of the city of Ostfildern near Stuttgart, is currently under heavy fire. The reason: a general decree against the so-called “Monday walks”!

But first things first: Tens of thousands of people have been taking to the streets across Germany for weeks, protesting during “walks” against the Corona measures taken by the federal and state governments.

In Baden-Württemberg, too, thousands are always on their feet.

The “walks” are often a thorn in the side of politicians, and numerous cities have banned the unannounced protests.

This also applies to the 39,000-inhabitant town of Ostfildern. And that’s when the trouble started for the head of the town hall, Bolay.

The 54-year-old posted the corresponding general decree of his city on his Twitter account.

“There’s no other way,” he noted, “from January 28, unregistered ‘walks’ staged to oppose the applicable Corona rules are prohibited in Ostfildern — no matter what day of the week.”

But the users took a closer look at the general decree and discovered one passage in particular that raised blood pressure.
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It says there: “In order to ensure that the ban on assembly is observed, the use of direct coercion, i.e. the influence on people through simple physical violence, tools of physical violence or the use of weapons is threatened.”

After weighing up the conflicting interests, this is proportionate. And: “It is necessary because there are no more lenient means that would prevent potential meeting participants from holding the prohibited meetings.”

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    Use of weapons against measures critics? All hell broke loose under the tweet!
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    Another user commented: “Anyone who wants to curtail or even abolish the basic right, which should protect the citizen against state attacks, cannot be a democrat. Only fascists do that. No one can get that through in court and you know it.”

Yes! This is fascism, and fascism is what we need to defeat COVID!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces#Origin_and_symbolism

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The fasces was a portable kit for flogging and decapitation. Roman lictors arrested and punished people, and acted as bodyguards for the powerful; they used the rods to lash people, and the ax to execute them.

(I have been calling for anyone not wearing a mask outside their homes to be shot since Day 1 of the pandemic.)
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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2022, 09:10:43 pm »
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(I have been calling for anyone not wearing a mask outside their homes to be shot since Day 1 of the pandemic.)

I of course agree in theory that anyone not adhering to the Covid-19 protocols deserve being shot on site, and the shooter would be totally justified in doing so. Most Westerners have not, and probably would not, agree with this because they are democratic and believe freedom means they get to do whatever the hell they want and to anybody they want to do it to. However, I wonder if this next strain does actually make the necessary mutation and starts jumping to humans if atleast some Westerners will change their mind on this, because this next potential strain has a supposed 33% mortality rate?: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/coronavirus/msg10905/#msg10905
This means 1 in 3 people will die from it.

Had it been Ebola would Westerners still be running around like morons spreading the virus around with no care in the world for anyone else?




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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2022, 03:13:57 am »
We were saying this more than five years ago:


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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2022, 08:03:40 pm »
Although Hartmann still uses the word "fascist" once towards the end of the video, overall this is a tremendous improvement in how to describe Trumpism:



This is the equivalency we should be promoting in leftist rhetoric.

Related:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/trumpism-is-an-echo/

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/our-enemies-admit-national-socialism-is-incompatible-with-the-confederacy/

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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2022, 05:25:42 pm »
What did the Cop do that was racist? I suspect the Cop in question maybe a Neo-Nazi because of face-shape and because of police rightist-bias, but I do not see how military insignia is inherently racist? Nor is the swastika inherently racist either...

Reminder:
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Stalag (Hebrew: סטאלג) was a short-lived genre of Nazi exploitation Holocaust pornography in Israel that flourished in the 1950s and early 1960s, and stopped at the time of the Eichmann Trial, due to a ban by the Israeli government.[1] These books were mainly about female German Nazi officers sexually abusing their male camp prisoners, yet they did not include any Jewish names to avoid taboos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_fiction

It's OK when Jews joke about the "Holocaust"?

Nazi Cop Rakes In $1.5 Million From CIty
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"KENT, Wash. (AP) — A suburban Seattle city will pay more than $1.5 million to settle a dispute with a former assistant police chief who was disciplined for posting a Nazi rank insignia on his office door and joking about the Holocaust.

Former Kent Assistant Police Chief Derek Kammerzell, who had been with the department for nearly three decades, was initially given two weeks of unpaid leave after the 2020 incident. Outraged residents and members of the Jewish community prompted Mayor Dana Ralph to put Kammerzell on paid administrative leave and demand his resignation.

The city’s attempt to essentially discipline Kammerzell a second time led to a dispute between his lawyers and the city that appeared headed for litigation. But interim city Chief Administrative Officer Arthur “Pat” Fitzpatrick, who is also the city attorney, said Friday the city had resolved the matter through negotiation, The Seattle Times reported."


Facts Western minds have a hard time accepting and reconciling to themselves:







This is how deep Russian propaganda and double speak has effected most Westerners:



Lastly, Westerners like to delude themselves into believing they are "good people" who are incapable of murdering BILLIONS of 'other' people:



Just an example of how wrong Westerners are about all this from one of God's prophets:
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The Quran further describes all living things as Muslim, in that they live the way Allah created them to live and obey Allah's laws in the natural world. Although animals don't have free will, they follow their natural, God-given instincts and can be said to "submit to God's will," which is the essence of Islam.

Because animals are living creatures with feelings and connections to the larger spiritual and physical world, Muslims must consider their lives as worthwhile and cherished:
https://www.learnreligions.com/animal-welfare-2004394

Another:




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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2022, 07:33:03 pm »
The article is just clickbait trash without substance, but I like the title at least.

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Why kids love ‘fascist’ cartoons like ‘Paw Patrol’ and ‘Thomas’
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The neat moral order of shows like “Thomas” and “Paw Patrol” gives them a context for these feelings, explained Tovah Klein, director of the Barnard College Center for Toddler Development and author of “How Toddlers Thrive.” Good and bad are clearly articulated states in those shows, she said, and should one misbehave, the repercussions are clear and predictable.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/22/health/thomas-tank-engine-paw-patrol-fascist-cartoon-strauss/index.html

The quote above is supposed to be a bad thing, in the opinion of the author and grown ups.

See this other post about how psychological studies have shown young children have very strong moral opinions and a sense of fairness:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/superiority-cannot-be-taught/msg10328/#msg10328

But, again, that's supposed to be "childish" and bad? Lol.

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“This is an age group that is constantly dealing with all these negative feelings in themselves. ‘Am I good?’ ‘Am I bad?’ They are trying to figure out what that means,” Klein said.

These shows also help children navigate their paradoxical relationship with power. On one hand, they desperately want some power. Watching the pups in “Paw Patrol” go on a mission or the trains in “Thomas” being useful allows them to feel as though they too have an important role to play.

On the other hand, children take comfort in the idea that someone is in charge.
To them, Ryder isn’t a megalomaniac, and Sir Topham Hatt of “Thomas” isn’t a neocolonial autocrat. They’re just the guys delegating responsibilities to their eager inferiors.

It's not paradoxical at all. Children like it when FAIR INDIVIDUALS are in charge. Children "desperately want power" because UNJUST TYRANTS (i.e. parents and teachers) unfairly control every element of their own lives. Children like fantasy worlds where young characters are respected and fairly allowed to live up to their potential. I imagine nearly all examples of children "acting out" are children trying to make adults realize they deserve respect, agency, and autonomy...

This is all obvious if you have even the most basic memories of your own childhood.

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“Children know there are a lot of scary things in the world, that there are a lot of bad things that can happen, and these shows make them feel like they could be part of fixing it,” Klein said. “But they know at some level that they can’t take care of things solely on their own, and being part of a team makes them feel safe.”

Again, the author thinks this is a bad thing...? It is difficult to argue against a core principle of ideological fascism by making it sound appealing. Lol  ;D

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Uhls said preschool-age children pay close attention to social cues and status, all in an attempt to figure out where they stand. The clearly articulated hierarchies in these cartoons confirm what they are struggling to understand in their own lives: mainly, that someone else, probably a parent or teacher, is in charge.

Again, that's why they like the fair autocracy in fantasy, as opposed to the UNJUST TYRANNY of the hierarchy they are forced to live in every day.

The author also predictably misses the point by trying to start gender wars over cartoons involving talking dogs and talking trains?
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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2022, 07:36:13 pm »
The author is most likely Jewish, given their last name.

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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2022, 08:35:21 pm »
"Children like it when FAIR INDIVIDUALS are in charge."
"that's why they like the fair autocracy in fantasy, as opposed to the UNJUST TYRANNY of the hierarchy they are forced to live in every day."

Similarly, in foreign policy, children like interventionism in support of the good guys, as opposed to interventionism in support of the bad guys, but they certainly do not like non-interventionism. And by good guys/bad guys, they are thinking in terms of moral absolutes as opposed to good/bad for one's own interests. In fantasy, certainly, both non-interventionism and self-interested interventionism would not be inspiring plotlines. The only inspiring plotline is heroic interventionism.

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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2022, 06:05:56 pm »
Fascist infrastructure:


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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2022, 01:35:02 am »
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/san-diego-teacher-defines-fascist-to-class-as-whites-heterosexuals-and-christians

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EXCLUSIVE — A teacher from Madison High School in San Diego claimed fascists are synonymous with the "modern-day Republican Party" and "white, Christian, heterosexuals," according to a student at the school.
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The student took a picture during the class that shows how the teacher defined "fascist." On the classroom's white dry-erase board, the teacher wrote the word "fascist," underlined it, and listed the words: Trump, heterosexual, white, Christian, and hatred of foreigners, immigrants, and minorities, among others.

In reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces#Origin_and_symbolism

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The symbolism of the fasces suggests strength through unity (see Unity makes strength); a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break.

Clinton's 2016 campaign slogan was the fascist slogan:



The more minorities included, the more rods forming the bundle, meaning the stronger the fasces! The more immigrants, the more extra rods joining the bundle, meaning the stronger the fasces! (Immigrants are also emigrants, which means the bundles of other countries end up with fewer rods at the same time as your bundle ends up with more rods, hence fascism should prize immigrants doubly!) And "heterosexual"? Does this 'teacher' know anything at all?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

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Homosexuality in ancient Rome often differs markedly from the contemporary West. Latin lacks words that would precisely translate "homosexual" and "heterosexual".[1]
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Love or desire between males is a very frequent theme in Roman literature. In the estimation of a modern scholar, Amy Richlin, out of the poems preserved to this day, those addressed by men to boys are as common as those addressed to women.[20]
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Homoerotic themes occur throughout the works of poets writing during the reign of Augustus, including elegies by Tibullus[36] and Propertius,[37] several Eclogues of Vergil, especially the second, and some poems by Horace. In the Aeneid, Vergil – who, according to a biography written by Suetonius, had a marked sexual preference for boys[38][39] – draws on the Greek tradition of pederasty in a military setting by portraying the love between Nisus and Euryalus,[40] whose military valor marks them as solidly Roman men (viri).[41] Vergil describes their love as pius, linking it to the supreme virtue of pietas as possessed by the hero Aeneas himself, and endorsing it as "honorable, dignified and connected to central Roman values".[42]
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When whole objects rather than mere fragments are unearthed, homoerotic scenes are usually found to share space with pictures of opposite-sex couples, which can be interpreted to mean that heterosexuality and homosexuality (or male homosexuality, in any case) are of equal value.[52][54]
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The treatment given to the subject in such vessels is idealized and romantic, similar to that dispensed to heterosexuality. The artist's emphasis, regardless of the sex of the couple being depicted, lies in the mutual affection between the partners and the beauty of their bodies.[56]

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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2022, 09:35:10 pm »
Stop comparing Meloni to Mussolini!

Meloni:

https://barenakedislam.com/2022/09/27/italys-newly-elected-prime-minister-on-islam-muslims/

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STOP mass Muslim illegal immigration immediately. Build walls. Enforce a naval blockade against migrant boats from Africa. And don’t grant automatic citizenship to Muslim migrants who are already here, as proposed by the last administration.

Make Islamic fundamentalism and the practice of sharia a federal crime. Shut down mosques.

Mussolini:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_of_Islam_(Mussolini)

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In 1934, after the creation of Italian Libya, Mussolini adopted a policy for encouraging comparisons with Islam, calling the local population "Italian Muslims of the fourth shore of Italy", building or restoring mosques and Quranic schools, preparing service facilities for the pilgrims going to Mecca and even making a High School of Islamic Culture in Tripoli.
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In order to earn the favour of the Arabs and to seal himself the alliance, Mussolini, although a signatory of the Lateran Treaty with the Holy See, decided to have bestowed on him the title of Protector of Islam.[3]
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Mussolini reaffirmed his closeness to the Muslim population, guaranteeing "peace, justice, wellness and respect for the laws of the Prophet."[5]

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/giorgia-meloni/msg15053/#msg15053

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/giorgia-meloni/msg15074/#msg15074
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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2022, 10:42:47 pm »
How is Donald Trump different from Hitler?
https://www.quora.com/How-is-Donald-Trump-different-from-Hitler

 https://www.quora.com/How-is-Donald-Trump-different-from-Hitler/answer/Vik-Rampersad?ch=15&oid=24526319&share=89acb57c&target_type=answer
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In many ways.
Hitler was a decorated war veteran who felt betrayed by the armistice and subsequent occupation and crushing of Germany (even though he was Austrian).

Trum never served, iand his country has never been occupied.

Hitler lived through the violent upheavals in Germany post WWI when the complete breakdown of law and order occurred and then the crushing poverty imposed by the allies (notably France). He blamed the Jewish banking interests for the economic turmoil that engulfed Germany and tapped into the pan European anti Semitism that was present to give a visible target of who was responsible for all the woes plaguing Germany
Trump lived through the Sept 11 attack. He inherited his wealth and made and lost several fortunes over his career. In effect he was "too big to fail" so the banks extended him credit and to his favour he always managed to come out on top. He uses the inherent racism in American society to attack Hispanics and more recently Moslems as those responsible for dragging down America.
Hitler was an accomplished orator who could speak (literally) for hours while holding his audience spellbound and enthralled
Trump is a loud and obnoxious speaker who loses his audience after maybe 20 minutes
Hitler was not shy about using force (Brownshirts) against his opponents and led an attempt to overthrow the government (Beer hall Pustch)
Trump has not used force against his opponents and has no private army

Hitler surrounded himself with people who were seen as responsible, heros and intelligent (e.g. Goering, Speer) He was virulently anti communist and extremely patriotic
Trump is an avowed capitalist and hence anti anything that smacks of communism or socialism. He is very anti union but contradictorily supports American workers trying to preserve their jobs
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Re: Trump a Fascist?
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2022, 11:03:19 pm »
Another anti-Hitlerist rebukes the Hitler Trump comparison:
Is Donald Trump more intelligent today than Adolf Hitler used to be?
https://www.quora.com/Is-Donald-Trump-more-intelligent-today-than-Adolf-Hitler-used-to-be/answer/Susanna-Viljanen?ch=15&oid=324901542&share=dbcd7ce2&target_type=answer
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No way.

Trump is no idiot - I estimate his IQ being 115–120, he has a university degree and he was not a total failure as a businessman - but he is no genius either. He is incredibly narcissistic - like South Park Eric Cartman grown old - which distorts the scene here.

But Trump is no genius either. He does not produce coherent text, he does not have any kind of intuition, he does not have any kind of psychologic eye and he cannot read his opponents. He does not know what he is up to nor against to. He does not care of his nation nor his country. He cares only of himself.

The only way such man in a leadership position can lead is by bullying his subordinates - which he actually did. “You’re fired” could actually be his slogan. He is simply so unpredictable that his opponents have hard time figuring out what he is up to next, and whether it is sheer idiocy, mere stupidity - or a genius stroke.

Hitler was evil but he wasn’t corrupt. He wouldn’t like being compared to someone who is corrupt - like Donald Trump. Moreover, Trump lived all his presidency on the verge of getting ousted - there were always a lot of more intelligent and more ambitious Republicans ready to backstab him, if for nothing else, to save the Grand Old Party from a total disaster.

Compared to Trump, my estimation is that Hitler had at least one standard deviation higher IQ. Hitler was a hallmark of a self-made man. He literally rose from the gutters to leadership of a superpower. He was an autodidact, he had incredibly wide general knowledge and he impressed everyone around him. He worked both hard and smart, he knew his opponents thoroughly, he read the newspapers thoroughly, he had a library of some 3,000 books and he was a decorated war veteran. And men like Göring, Himmler, Heydrich and Bormann considered him a genius. After the Night of the Long Knives, he did not need to resort to physical or social violence one single time.

But having high IQ does not make anyone a good human being nor it does not make him dignified, noble or decent. It is only the great enabler - both in good and in evil. Hitler was no moron - he was a crackpot. That is not what Trump is, fortunately. Trump is merely a jerk.

TL;DR: Hitler was Mensa stuff, but so was Ted Bundy. Trump isn’t.