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Re: Duginism
« Reply #105 on: August 21, 2022, 02:19:19 pm »
How Belarusians are fighting Putin in their country and in Ukraine | Franak Viacorka
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"If Ukraine fails, there will not be a chance for democracy in Belarus."

Between 500 and 2000 Belarusians have joined Ukrainian battalions, says Svetlana Tsihanouskaya's senior advisor Franak Viacorka, adding Belarus is occupied by Russians now, like France during World War II.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdGuajiHPFc

In the western democratic mind only autocrats can be tyrants and puppets, even with this democratically elected tyrant and puppet staring them right in the face:


My point above is further proven by this article:
Trump's tyranny proved America isn't immune to authoritarianism. But we can survive it.
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One way to combat tyrants is by limiting their power over people through reading.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-tyranny-proved-america-isn-t-immune-authoritarianism-we-ncna1252372

The double-think in westerners is increasingly hypocritical, their brain's are truly broken...

Not all dictators and authoritarians are tyrants, but democracy is always a tyranny of a majority.

See also:
Why Socrates Hated Democracy 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #106 on: August 22, 2022, 01:23:15 am »
@NSFAN

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"...Only authoritarian systems can protect democracy? How is this not hypocrisy by western democracy worshipers?"

That is how liberalism works. Protect the people how bad they are, give them freedom of expression even though it oppressing people, as long as not harming the society's security, they allowed to live. The government only engaged when the people's physical condition and their democracy are threatened.

Like how Western Greece treated their conquered anti-Western Persian people

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #107 on: August 22, 2022, 08:18:37 pm »
Someone else understands (0:48-1:15) that democracy was only ever meant for the demos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGaoLuRQbic

Suffragism (ie. support for those not originally intended to be part of the demos to be allowed to vote) is not democracy, but anti-democracy. This is why it is not a contradiction for us to ideologically prefer autocracy but to pragmatically support winning elections via Demographic Blueshift for now.

When we see rightists react to suffragism by claiming that post-suffragism elections are invalid, it is inaccurate to accuse them of being anti-democracy. They are the ones wanting to restore elections to being democratic elections as opposed to suffragist elections. They are the democrats. We are the anti-democrats. And this is what makes us morally superior and them morally inferior.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #108 on: August 30, 2022, 02:24:32 am »
Debate with the so-called "leftist" people on Discord group named "Political Centre"

Date photographed :

Session 1 : Monday, 29th August 2022, 12 : 16 until 12 : 19 Jakarta Time

Session 2 : Tuesday, 30th August 2022, 11 : 58 Jakarta Time



Explanation 1 :

He said to me that imagine we had a good dictator and his lackeys governed a more or less 75 millions people. There are simply less evil people needed to run dictatorship rather than democracy and republic. And there's no guaranteeing the policies of a country under one person.

I answered him that even the democracy which run by the millions of people still not yet stop their government's oppressive policies which destroying the environment outside their nation. It means the democracy and the people failed to stop and prevent such unethical attitude. Or they don't care about the government's oppressive policies to the outside the nation because they not bothered with it. So they ignore it.




Explanation 2 :

I said that the modern Germany were responsible for invasion of innocent Afghanistan people (During 2001 until 2021) and it happened during democracy system were used by German's government officials to govern their people. And he said with satirical attempt to insult dictatorship with sentence which explained that 1930s Germany were "famously bastion of a great rule".

And I answered to him that it was indeed a great rule, even the European colonial powers were severely damaged which culminating in anti-colonial movements across the world.

And he only answered again with satirical sentences not with knowledge arguments. With saying that even the dictatorship were "famously worked well in USSR




Explanation 3 :

He only answered my knowledge arguments with another sarcastic and satiristic sentences again and again.



Explanation 4 :

I'm explained again to him today that the democracy will allow the majority of people's will even though it's oppressive. I'm showing him an example of survey polls which already did on Wednesday, 11th March 2020, which shows that 32 percents of British people still proud of their ancestors's colonialism in the past which outnumbered only 19 percents of British people who consider that the colonialism was wrong and shameful. And I said to him that if we use how the policies were made through democracy, then we will justify the people's proud feelings on seeing their ancestor's colonial past. Because the majority still agree with it.

And until now there's no response anymore from him even though he is online on Discord now... It means he not want to answer and discuss anymore. And he can be predicted that he not want to acknowledge the truth about the flaws of democracy.


Discord group "Political Centre"



The Discord profile of the opponents :





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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #109 on: September 04, 2022, 06:14:55 pm »
This enemy article notes that Madison Grant understood how democracy was designed to work (and indeed did work so long as voting was limited to the demos):

https://www.amren.com/news/2022/09/madison-grant-conquest-of-a-continent/

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When the people, rather than their rulers, had a chance to speak, their instincts were healthy. Grant recounts with satisfaction an 1879 California ballot to limit Chinese immigration, in which the vote was 154,638 to 833. “There have been few issues in American history carried by a more nearly unanimous vote,” he adds.

Essentially, democracy is a statistical device to minimize the probability of anti-tribalist decisionmaking. It is far easier for a monarch to decide to do what is ethical than for a majority of the demos to simultaneously decide to do so.

Note furthermore what kind of bloodlines Grant preferred to populate the demos to produce the kind of democracy he wants:

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In his view, wealth and cultivation are always signs of better stock.
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he is surprisingly unworried about the criminals who were transported to the colonies in the early days.
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He also likes the rebellious, freebooting quality of early settlers.
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he admires their pioneering, Indian-fighting spirit. As yet more rebels and dissenters arrived, they headed further west, opening the country.

What decisions are likely to be made by the majority opinion of voters of bloodlines like these? Now you know how democracy was intended by Westerners to work.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #110 on: September 04, 2022, 06:32:26 pm »
"he is surprisingly unworried about the criminals who were transported to the colonies in the early days."
It's ok for criminals to be "white".

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #111 on: September 09, 2022, 12:04:01 pm »
But who would know enough about you to want to elect you to a political office if you're not famous? Is fame not a prerequisite for democracy?

Aiming for a life of success and fame is a 'hollow ambition' | Gabriel Byrne
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"The pursuit of fame in and of itself is a hollow ambition, and success doesn’t hang around too long."

Striving for the glamorous life of fame and Hollywood is a ‘hollow’ ambition, actor Gabriel Byrne says while reflecting on his career #TimesRadio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuD_Bky_0U0

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #112 on: September 14, 2022, 09:44:41 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/09/14/swedens-pm-concedes-election-to-right-wing-bloc-and-will-resign-tomorrow

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The election marks a watershed in Swedish politics with the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats, shunned by all the major parties when they first entered parliament in 2010, on the threshold of gaining influence over government policy.

If you still don't see that this type of result is what democracy was designed to deliver, let's come back after the elections in Italy and see if you get it by then.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #113 on: September 14, 2022, 11:06:58 pm »
The false-leftist today want democracy and liberalism because it prevent more intolerant people whose their action resulting more wars, unrest, and bloodsheds. So democracy will control the people from doing that thing. What about that?

Today's liberalism from 2000s until today resulting less-wars than the Cold War bipolar politics era for example
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #114 on: September 14, 2022, 11:12:44 pm »
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Note furthermore what kind of bloodlines Grant preferred to populate the demos to produce the kind of democracy he wants:

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In his view, wealth and cultivation are always signs of better stock.
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he is surprisingly unworried about the criminals who were transported to the colonies in the early days.
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He also likes the rebellious, freebooting quality of early settlers.
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he admires their pioneering, Indian-fighting spirit. As yet more rebels and dissenters arrived, they headed further west, opening the country.

If Madison Grant promoting such people's bloodlines. Then why the "whites" in America whose bloodlines are like that considered as "civilized"? Even the today's world consider the Europe and America are civilized and less-corrupt nations.

And liberalism in Europe and America resulting less-corrupt nations on it. What about that?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #115 on: September 14, 2022, 11:53:28 pm »
"why the "whites" in America whose bloodlines are like that considered as "civilized"?"

In the Western perspective, "civilized' means Homo Hubris:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/

or as our enemy Duchesne likes to say, Faustian:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg14444/#msg14444

Grant promotes Homo-Hubris/Faustian-compatible bloodlines.

We are here to change the definition of "civilized" to mean Ahimsa-adherent. Of course a civilized person by our definition will not be popular, because most people initiate violence but do not want to face retaliatory violence. Therefore democracy is opposed to our definition of civilization.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #116 on: September 25, 2022, 06:21:43 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/meloni-casts-ballot-exit-polls-214844622.html

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STORY: A right-wing alliance led by Giorgia Meloni's Brothers of Italy party looks set to win a clear majority in the next parliament, exit polls said on Sunday (September 25) after voting ended in an Italian national election.

An exit poll for Italy's SKY said the bloc of conservative parties, that also includes Matteo Salvini's League and Silvio Berlusconi's Forza Italia party, won over 40%, enough to guarantee control of both houses of parliament.

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If one believes in true democracy, people of Italy have the right to choose whomever they like, as their leader, notwithstanding the opinion of the others.

Exactly. This is why no leftist should believe in democracy.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #117 on: October 10, 2022, 06:12:51 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?

https://rmx.news/article/80-of-french-people-believe-anti-white-racism-exists/

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80% of French people believe anti-White racism exists
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Only 19 percent of French people said “no” to the question, while 1 percent could not decide.
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The CSA survey also broke down answers based on gender, and there was no clear difference between male and females in this regard, with 82 percent of men saying anti-White racism exists and 79 percent of females. The “yes” vote also won in nearly all age groups; however, those between 50 and 64 were most likely to say “yes” to the question (90 percent). The only age group where “yes” did not win was 18 to 24, where 51 percent said anti-White racism did not exist.

The polling did show political differences between respondents, with 100 percent of voters of the Reconquest party saying anti-White racism existed in France, while for the National Rally, it was 92 percent, and in the Republicans party, it was 89 percent.

Interestingly, supporters of the Renassance party of French President Emmanuel Macron, known for his support of liberal immigration policies, also showed that 83 percent believe anti-White racism exists, while in the left-wing La France Insoumise, only 39 percent agreed with this assertion.

For reference:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/old-content/msg6514/#msg6514

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #118 on: October 13, 2022, 04:07:30 pm »
Leftists are understanding that democracy is the problem, but only subconsciously:

https://rmx.news/germany/the-left-calls-for-a-ban-on-germanys-afd-party-just-as-the-party-surges-in-popularity/

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Members of the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Left party (Die Linke) are calling for a ban on the conservative Alternative for Germany (AfD) party just as it surges in the polls, raising fears that Germany, which prides itself on being democratic, will attempt to completely ban one of the largest parties in the country.
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The powerful Office for the Protection of the Constitution domestic intelligence agency has deemed AfD a “suspected threat” to democracy

No, AfD is a consequence of democracy. If you want the AfD banned, you are anti-democracy, which is what you should proudly be. Just like Hitler was.

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The idea that banning a party to save democracy is widespread in Germany’s left-wing circles

This is why we call them the False Left:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/western-democracy/msg3362/#msg3362

Continuing:

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however, AfD has argued that nobody in the party has ever advocated anti-democratic principles. In fact, there is evidence the party wants to strengthen it by introducing Swiss-style citizen referendums, which would allow citizens to vote on specific issues

Now think carefully. Why would AfD do this? Answer: because AfD is confident that results will line up with the policies it wants. Is AfD mistaken? Probably not!

Why do you think Hitler hated Switzerland?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/united-nations/msg15954/#msg15954

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #119 on: October 21, 2022, 08:36:42 pm »
A leftist mayor openly states that democracy impedes ethical decisionmaking:

https://rmx.news/article/mayor-pushes-great-replacement-project-in-rural-france-despite-citizen-protests-refuses-to-hold-citizen-referendum-on-accepting-migrant-families/

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A project designed to move 70 migrants and their families to the small rural French town of Callac is being fought by local residents. Despite calls for a referendum on the issue, the mayor refuses to hold such a referendum, conceding he would lose the vote if it were to take place.

During rival protests on Sept. 17, Callac Mayor Jean-Yves Rolland stated that he would address the constituents of Callac with a letter, which was released on Oct. 14. He said the letter would bring “the official version of our project in the face of rumors and misinformation,” the Le Télégramme daily reports.

In the letter, the mayor rejected a referendum. The move comes after Sud Radio reported that one person at a meeting with the mayor, which included 12 other eyewitnesses, heard the mayor admit he would not hold a referendum because some 80 percent of residents are against the measure. He reportedly said: “I would lose it.”

Therefore it should be clear to all who care about ethics that it is democracy which must be scrapped:

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In his letter, the mayor instead called for a “citizen governing body” to decide on the arrival of migrants.

“A citizen governance body is being created. This global project must be managed in complete transparency,” writes Rolland, arguing that “the new inhabitants are a chance for Callac, a small aging rural town,” with “many houses that remain empty” and “dozens of positions that remain to be filled.”

Democracy means listening to majority demos opinion like this:

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protesters held up signs against the “African repopulation of our cities”

Mayor Rolland gets it. Why do so many leftists not yet get it?