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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #120 on: November 09, 2022, 02:38:45 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?

https://rmx.news/article/majority-of-germans-have-big-worry-about-huge-migrant-influx/

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A new poll shows that despite Germany’s left-wing government pushing for more migrants, a majority of the public either rejects or strongly rejects higher levels of immigration.

Leftism should be about what is ethical, not what is popular with the demos.

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The German government has made a number of proposals not only designed to increase migrant numbers but also to speed up the citizenship process and provide a massive amnesty to illegal immigrants. These are all moves that will only further drive more people to enter the country by any means necessary, including through the service of human smugglers.

The German government is also pushing Italy’s new conservative government to accept all boat migrants from the various NGO vessels operating off the Italian coast.

Why should a government like this not rule autocratically (and moreover prohibit all opposed to amnesty from reproducing)?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2022, 08:45:14 pm »
This is the kind of result that democracy was designed to deliver:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIgjB8_Tubk

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2022, 05:58:21 pm »
https://rmx.news/france/two-thirds-of-french-want-stricter-immigration-policy-new-poll-shows/

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Nearly seven out of ten French people believe that the state should adopt a stricter policy regarding the reception of migrants, according to a poll by the CSA institute for CNEWS published on Tuesday.
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It is not the only poll showing the French opposed to mass immigration, with past polls consistently showing the vast majority of French want a halt to immigration.

Meanwhile:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/climate-refugees/msg16453/#msg16453

So do you really think democracy is the way to get climate refugees the help they need?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #123 on: November 18, 2022, 07:58:50 pm »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/rising-tide-of-immigration-to-europe-pushing-continents-politics-to-the-right-experts-say-004400696.html

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“Europe is a very, very wealthy region. If we look at it globally, and particularly the EU, by the end of 2021, for example, less than 10% of the world’s refugees were living in the EU. So if we look at it globally, [taking in more refugees] is very much something that the EU could manage effectively and humanely.”

This is the straightforward truth. If government simply operated according to this accurate information, there would be no problems. Now enter democracy to mess everything up:

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However, Anna Knoll, head of migration and mobility at the European Centre for Development Policy Management, is concerned that humanitarian efforts are giving life to right-wing movements across the continent.

“You see countries like Sweden or Italy flipping more to the right side of the political spectrum,” Knoll told Yahoo News. “I think states are realizing they cannot afford having more refugees situated there or more irregular migrants coming in, because it does potentially push the voters more to the right. Obviously we try to balance this — we have principles, we have values and we are also a sanctuary for refugees. But we cannot allow everyone in.”

You could allow everyone in by rejecting democracy. Why does democracy matter more than helping refugees? More fundamentally, why should unethical opinions (no matter how popular) be listened to at all?

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“If everything comes together — more migrants, super-high energy prices, inflation hitting the roof — at some point I wonder how much the system can take before people say, ‘No, we don’t want this.’”

If they don't want this, they are also free to emigrate! That is what we should be telling them instead of capitulating to them! But False Leftists will never reach this obvious conclusion so long as they refuse to question democracy itself.
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #124 on: November 22, 2022, 09:28:25 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-majority-iranians-want-regime-175729420.html

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Study: Majority of Iranians want regime change as country's protests continue to grow

As protests against the Islamic regime in Iran continue, a new study by the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change found 84% of Iranians support regime change.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg16485/#msg16485

This is how inferior the majority of Iranians are. Let's use this opportunity to get Iran's population back down to the pre-colonial population:



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Over three-fourths polled consider religion unimportant in their lives, and they prefer a more secular life than the current theocratic one.

They are free to emigrate.


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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #125 on: December 11, 2022, 03:02:12 pm »
Even false leftists understand that moderation is required for a society to function, and that those most in need of moderation are rightists. Excerpt from How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them which discusses social media’s role in increasing civil and global tensions:

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It's not likely to be a coincidence that the global shift away from democracy universalism has tracked so closely with the advent of the internet, the introduction of smart phones, and the widespread use of social media. The age of information has opened up unmitigated, unregulated pathways to the spread of misinformation (which is erroneous) and disinformation (which is intentionally misleading). Charlatans, conspiracy theorists, trolls, demagogues, and anti-democratic tribalist agents who had previously been shut out of the media environment -- or at least had great difficulty gaining a mass audience -- suddenly gained traction. As social media penetrated countries and gained a larger share of people's attention, a clear pattern emerged: ethnic factions grew, social divisions widened, resentment at immigrants increased, bullying populists got elected, and violence began to increase. Open, unregulated social media platforms turned out to be the perfect accelerant for the conditions that lead to civil wars.

The author correctly points out that rightists had been mostly shut out of civil discourse until social media gave them a platform, allowing them to spread their message and gather their tribesmen, which in turn has created civil division and unrest. Their solution is the same as ours: moderating rightists. But rather than admitting the only way to moderate rightists is leftist dictatorship, they would rather blame autocrats for the mess democracy created:

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Before autocracy came about when military generals launched coups. But now it's being ushered in by the voters themselves.

Leftists must leave democracy in the dustbin of history where it belongs.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #126 on: December 20, 2022, 05:15:37 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?


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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #127 on: January 20, 2023, 09:18:31 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?

https://rmx.news/crime/majority-of-europeans-see-illegal-immigration-as-a-top-concern-facing-continent-and-want-to-preserve-christian-culture-poll-finds/

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An overwhelming majority of Europeans believe illegal immigration remains a key concern affecting the continent and consider Christian culture and traditions worthy of preservation, polling by a Hungarian think tank has revealed.

According to the 2022 Europe Project poll conducted by the Századvég Foundation based in Budapest, almost four in five respondents (78 percent) are concerned about the continuous influx of illegal immigrants into Europe, while a smaller majority of 56 percent think it’s important to preserve Europe’s Christian heritage.
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Countries with high levels of concern include those with the most progressive governments, including Sweden (78 percent), Germany (75 percent), France (73 percent), and the Netherlands (68 percent), according to the Századvég survey.

The divergence between progressivism and leftism is now also becoming ever clearer.