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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2021, 01:40:01 am »
Just listened to this gem again:
John Alan Martinson Jr - Monarchism The Last Bastille Podcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhoYbdVMg9M

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The way things have transpired over the years and lately in America i'll pretty much take a monarchy over a degenerate republic any day.

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Who was called King of Kings?
Jesus Christ
"King of Kings" (βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων) is used in reference to Jesus Christ

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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. [28] Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2021, 08:13:16 pm »
Only About 3.5 Percent of Americans Care About Democracy
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A recent study reveals that vanishingly few voters will defect from a candidate who acts undemocratically.

You wouldn't know it listening to U.S. media though would you? Listening to Western media you could easily arrive at the conclusion that everyone agrees that democracy is the best thing that has ever happened to humankind, right?
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Imagine a candidate you like. This politician has everything: the right positions on taxes, abortion, foreign policy, immigration; sound judgment; enough personal probity to be trusted with your wallet, house keys, or email password. Now imagine that that candidate does or says something antidemocratic. For no particular reason, she shuts down polling stations. Or at a rally, she tells supporters that a particular journalist—standing over there, in the Men’s Wearhouse sport coat—is asking too many questions and might deserve to get rabbit-punched on the way to his car. Care to change your vote?

This purely theoretical scenario, which of course bears no relationship to anything that has happened or is happening in American politics, is the subject of an article in the American Political Science Review by Matthew H. Graham and Milan W. Svolik of Yale University. How much do voters really care about democracy? Nearly all Americans say democracy matters. But how many will actually punish their preferred candidate and withhold a vote when that candidate does something undemocratic?

Graham and Svolik’s answer: About 3.5 percent of voters will defect from a candidate whom they otherwise support, but who does something destructive of democratic norms. Those 3.5 percent come from the right and the left in equal proportions, but they tend to be moderates. (Self-described “independents”—those mysterious, yeti-like creatures who profess to have no political preference at all—vote slightly more like extremists.) If you value democracy, hug a moderate.
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“If you just ask people whether they like democracy, there’s a social norm that says they have to answer yes,” Svolik told me. They have been conditioned since grade school to say “democracy is good, 10 out of 10—and we should also stop global warming and save the whales and whatever.” He and Graham surveyed 1,691 people and posed instead a version of the hypothetical question I asked above: You say you like democracy, but will you sacrifice other things you like on its behalf, by withholding your vote for a democracy-bashing candidate? “Some will, but the punishment is small,” Svolik said: those willing to vote for the opposing candidate often do so only if he is similar to the candidate they intended to support in the first place. That means partisanship encourages more antidemocratic action: Stronger partisans will let the thuggishness slide, if they would have to sacrifice more than a small portion of their positions. The greater the number of strong partisan voters and politicians, the smaller the punishment for violating democratic norms, and the more likely the norm-breaker is to get elected.

Read more: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/few-americans-care-about-democracy/616534/

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2021, 11:11:49 pm »


Ethical improvements are made by ignoring majority opinion, not by following it.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2021, 10:26:40 pm »
Democracy is the enemy of Cancel Culture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLVbXIYkh5k

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2021, 05:28:44 pm »
It is not up to the U.S. alone to evaluate its democracy: Yang Jiechi
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A high-level strategic dialogue between China and the United States is underway in Anchorage, Alaska, in the United States. Yang Jiechi, a member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee and director of the Office of the Foreign Affairs Commission of the CPC Central Committee, is attending the meeting, saying it is not just up to the U.S., but also the world to evaluate how the U.S. has done in advancing its own democracy. #China​ #US​ #dialogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETOfymWVShM

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The French Revolution (French: Révolution française [ʁevɔlysjɔ̃ fʁɑ̃sɛːz]) refers to the period that began with the Estates General of 1789 and ended in November 1799 with the formation of the French Consulate. Many of its ideas are considered fundamental principles of Western liberal democracy.[1]
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Origins in the French Revolution

The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.[6] One deputy, the Baron de Gauville, explained: "We began to recognize each other: those who were loyal to religion and the king took up positions to the right of the chair so as to avoid the shouts, oaths, and indecencies that enjoyed free rein in the opposing camp".[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum

The Pan-Gnostic Left, or "True Left" as we like to call it, has roots in the dawn of civilization itself, which obviously happened long before the French Revolution....

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2021, 10:05:34 pm »
Democracy is working as intended, it is not broken! This is the system Judeo-Greco-Westerners believe is the best system of government ever invented, and for the cowardly politician type it is exactly that! Democracy allows cowards and criminals to gain positions of power in government. This is why criminals and cowards love democracy!

US, Israel, EU election farces or ‘Allies of sovereignty’ – Iran, China, Russia?
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Too bad the elections for European Parliament aren’t this year - we could have enjoyed all three tones of the chord of “liberal (aristocratic) democracy”.

The United States, the European Union and Israel - the triumvirate which dominates half the world and thinks it has the moral and intellectual right to rule the other half - obviously have incredibly flawed, domestically-denigrated and politically feckless elections. As time goes on the world can only be increasingly attracted to innovative alternative political models because this trio is so endemically dysfunctional.

In Israel voters just chose between the war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu or those who claim to be the colonizers who are the “sane” alternative. This election sham will likely need to be repeated for the fifth time in two years, but only a few thick Westerners ever claimed Israel is a democracy, anyway.

Thirty years after the United States penned the structures of the European Union - in a rush of Cold War euphoria and arrogance - there may not be elections which are as meaningless and uninteresting to the actual voting public as those for EU Parliament.

The United States’ recent election was as bad as anyone could have expected, and Americans themselves expected the worst more often than anyone. So I don’t know why France-raised US Secretary of State Antony Blinken thought the last months and years of American carnage and discontent would go unnoticed abroad?

When Blinken assumed a Parisian pose of oblivious nonchalance at the first China-US summit and tried to shame China for not being Western enough, China was ready: his counterpart, Yang Jiechi, delivered an impromptu, blistering, 17-minute critique of America which was redolent of Mao’s era.

In short, Yang’s rebuttal contained well-known and totally accurate critiques of America’s capitalist-imperialist and liberal democratic structures. From “massacring the people of other countries” to the obvious “slaughtering” of African-Americans and beyond, Yang listed a poisonous cornucopia of the inevitable social evils which arise from such outdated social structures.

China’s standing up to the new administration in Washington - and at the very first opportunity - will mark a sea change in geopolitical affairs. China knew it was going to be targeted - as a welcoming gift Biden placed sanctions on two dozen Chinese officials just prior to the landing of their diplomats - and they eagerly responded with, “Let’s fight - ideologically - because it’s clear you don’t have a solid leg to stand on anymore.”
Entire article: https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2021/03/26/648120/US-Israel-EU-election-Iran-China-Russia

I'm glad democracy is giving the people who support it the most a headache, because watching you assholes operate on the world stage on a daily basis gives sane people a massive headache as well!

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2021, 09:17:53 pm »
Putin thinks democracy not fit for the future, US President Joe Biden claims amid growing diplomatic row with Russian counterpart
https://www.rt.com/russia/519392-putin-democracy-biden-row/

I wonder how many more Trumps it would take to change Biden's mind, if he's indeed capable of such a thing? Biden knows 75 million Westerners voted for Trump in the U.S., does he not? So, what is Biden's excuse for his dishonorable attitude?

SERIOUSLY: CAN WE PLEASE KEEP OLD "WHITE" MEN OUT OF POLITICS PERMANENTLY, THE PLANET WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF FOR IT!!!

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2021, 03:21:44 am »
Why democracy must be eliminated:

https://barenakedislam.com/2021/05/04/france-polls-say-that-nearly-50-of-french-public-back-military-intervention-in-government-to-eradicate-islamic-extremism-and-restore-security-in-the-country/

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Two dozen retired French generals, dozens of other officers, and hundreds of private soldiers signed the open letter to the president and government in April. The signatories condemned “the disintegration that plagues the homeland, the hatred between communities fueled by a kind of anti-racism, Islamic extremism and suburban hordes that have forced a part of the country under dogmas that are unconstitutional.”

They warned that if the government failed to act “that they are ready to support politicians who are concerned with preserving the nation”.

According to Harris Interactive published by LCI, 58 percent of the French respondents agree with the contents of the letter. Nearly half (49 percent) of those surveyed would support military intervention to “restore order”. Less than a third think the signatories should be sanctioned, as French Defense Secretary Florence Parly proposed.
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The poll also found that 74% of respondents agreed that anti-racism ultimately leads to hatred between individual ethnic and religious groups.

In other words, the supermajority prefer racism. Thus:

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Le Pen, head of the National Assembly, who is polled to win the first round of next year’s presidential election similar to the 2017 vote, assured dissatisfied soldiers on Tuesday of her support and asked them to vote for her next year.

Is this the result that False Leftists want? If not, why do they continue to defend democracy?

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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2021, 10:11:20 pm »
AOC has already derailed her anti-apartheid rhetoric as well.


https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1393673695433043976

Zionists in Israel vote to continue apartheid and ethnic cleansing, just as tribalists in the US voted to continue slavery, voted to disenfranchise "blacks", and voted to continue the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. Oh yeah, and US democracy gave us Trump, US democracy has voted to make BDS illegal, and US democracy has voted to give Israel billions of dollars in military funding each year, enabling their crimes...

Moreover, what would happen in a democratic One State Solution? Zionists (including non-Jewish perpetrators of "Zionist privilege" such as "Israeli Arabs") would outvote the Palestinians and we would be right back to where we started from. (I have actually seen many dedicated anti-Zionists who know the One State Solution is the only ethically justifiable conclusion, yet doubt that it will ever be practical, because they are so Westernized that they are unable to think of the future state of Palestine as anything other than a democracy where millions of Zionists are allowed to vote!)

The Zionist argument that "Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East" should only serve to heighten Israel's obvious ignobility and the fact that democracy is a supremely ethically-unsound form of government.

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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2021, 11:35:05 pm »
It boggles the mind that people can look all around them, see all the bad people dwelling among them, and then still call for democracy. If that isn't true insanity then I do not know what is. How bad do things actually need to get before we arrive at the logical conclusion that most people aren't that noble and allowing ignoble people to vote will only ever end in ignoble outcomes?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2021, 11:51:06 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/australia-banned-citizens-india-coming-085423693.html

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When Ara Sharma Marar’s father had a stroke in India in early April, she got on the first flight she could from her home in Melbourne, Australia to New Delhi.

She had planned to return to Australia, where she works in risk management at a bank, on May 14. But then her government banned her from coming home. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced on April 27 that travelers from India—including citizens—were barred from the country. The government emphasized that anyone who tried to come home would face up to five years in jail and a $50,000 fine.
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“Many Anglo-Celtic Australians still believe that we are but guests in this country and that to acknowledge us as equals they will somehow lose their Australianism,” says Molina Asthana, co-founder of advocacy group Asian Australian Alliance.
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The hashtag #strandedaussies has been used hundreds of times on social media, and some have started referring to the country as “Fortress Australia.” One group of Australians is taking a complaint against the Australian government to the United Nations Human Rights Committee for not allowing its citizens to return home.

Nevertheless, the controls are very popular. A poll in conservative newspaper The Australian found that 73% of voters supported international borders remaining closed

So why do leftists still support democracy?
 
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Australians of Indian descent feel singled out because the Australian government has not barred citizens returning home from other countries with large outbreaks. “Why weren’t these steps taken when it was America or U.K.?”

Why do you think?

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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2021, 01:56:06 pm »
https://summit.news/2021/05/19/71-of-french-say-were-full-no-more-immigration/

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71% of French Say ‘We’re Full’: No More Immigration

When will leftists stop supporting democracy?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2021, 10:41:35 pm »
Rashida Tlaib (who, as far as I can tell, was the one who took the lead by calling Israel an apartheid state a few weeks ago), and Cori Bush both repeated AOC's statement about democracy. sigh

https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1393693207792439299

Take note of why we spend so much time examining propaganda, rhetoric, and the substance of arguments. Because things can be derailed very quickly by well-meaning people saying stupid things. Tlaib also heroically endorsed a One State Solution. But wtf does she think is going to happen in a democratic form of government?

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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2021, 10:08:17 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxT3HtyazKE

Autocracies would not have this problem.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2021, 12:02:26 am »
False Leftists are no closer to understanding the real problem than half a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFlXhg5j5q4

My old post from Dec 2020 remains as relevant today as back then:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/western-democracy/msg2807/#msg2807