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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2021, 12:03:56 am »
I wouldn't expect Maddow (Jew) to even try to.

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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2021, 10:20:12 pm »
A Red suggestion that I agree with:

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1409964690395049986

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GOP Leader McCarthy during debate on a bill to remove Confederate statues from the Capitol:

"All of the statues being removed by this bill are statues of Democrats... Maybe it's time the Democrats change the name of their party."

This is why I just call them Blues. The name "Democratic" is appropriate for describing the party back when it was further to the right than the Reds. It follows that, when the party moved to the left of the Reds during the Civil Rights movement, it should have dropped the name "Democratic". We are still waiting for it to do so. The transformation of American leftism cannot complete so long as leftists retain any attachment to democracy.

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Since democratic nations have no interest in doing anything to genuinely make the tiniest of dents in global warming, I have been thinking that the impending climate crisis will be a prime opportunity to necessitate the formation of autocratic governments in Western nations. Democratic election cycles mean the can is kicked down the road every 2/4/6/8 years and bickering among political parties makes it so that no solid solution can ever be agreed upon. By the time to problem grows so massive that it is simply impossible to ignore, it will be too late (and it is already too late to avoid much of the damage).

Leftists are well-aware of this, and it will provide a reasonable justification for False Leftists to finally admit the necessity of changing to a form of government which can actually govern efficiently and with the welfare of society as a whole in mind. Indeed, all the solutions to the climate crisis are already there and have been written in plain language for decades, but as long as capitalism and democracy are in place, the solutions will never be implemented.

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A team from NASA and NOAA found that Earth's "energy imbalance" doubled between 2005 and 2019. The energy imbalance is simple to understand but complex in its causes and impacts. It is the difference between the amount of energy absorbed by Earth and the amount of energy emitted by it.

Any increase in the energy imbalance means the overall Earth system is gaining energy, causing it to heat up.
https://www.sciencealert.com/our-atmosphere-s-storing-energy-twice-as-fast-as-15-years-ago

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If we stopped all emissions today, the planet would warm for at LEAST a century, and very likely closer to scales of millenia. CO2 lasts for hundreds of years in the atmosphere, and then only goes into other forms of the carbon cycle slowly over thousands of years (or never).

Firstly, there is a delay in air temperature increase. This means that the carbon already emitted will take 40 years to reach its full potential. This is largely due to the slow process of Earth's oceans warming. In many ways, we're only feeling the full effects of emissions from the 80's right now.

There are feedback loops. As the planet warms, the oceans cannot absorb as much CO2. Methane, which works on scales of hundreds of years instead of thousands(but is much more effective at heating), will be released more and more on large swaths of land as time goes on.

Other feedback loops include deforestation, wildfires, and albedo effects, melting ice caps, and increasing water vapor which will only amplify the damage that has already been done.

Think about that: If we did the impossible and switched entirely to 100%, zero-emission, fictional renewables today and provided zero carbon footprint... We'd still be in dire conditions for generations to come.
https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/oimpq5/earths_atmosphere_is_retaining_heat_twice_as_fast/h4wybgg/


Apparently the Amazon Rainforest is pretty much destroyed now as well:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/14/biggest-story-world-right-now-humanity-has-flipped-amazon-carbon-sink-source

Only laws can stop corporations from murdering the planet, and democracies will never enact those laws.
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2021, 10:15:21 pm »
"Indeed, all the solutions to the climate crisis are already there and have been written in plain language for decades, but as long as capitalism and democracy are in place, the solutions will never be implemented."

I agree, but part of the confusion is that many who care about climate blame capitalism only, and think democracy will dismantle capitalism so long as big donors are removed from election campaigns.

In response, I show these pro-democracy environmentalists how solid majorities in democratic countries have already said they will reject mandatory veganism or state control over reproduction (both of which are required to have any hope at all of averting global warming by now) and ask them how democracy can get this done. They vaguely mumble about better education for future generations can do this..... AS IF WE HAVE TIME LEFT FOR THAT!

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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2021, 02:41:50 pm »
Artificial intelligence and elections – how malleable is public opinion?
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The goalposts are about to move in the game of public opinion polling. This documentary examines how a startup called Advanced Symbolics (ASI) uses artificial intelligence (AI) and social media data to forecast voter behavior.

When people use the internet, they reveal enormous amounts of private data - often inadvertently. This data can now be harvested by AI to accurately predict, among many other things, how we will vote. Even without surrendering personal information, the new AI algorithm Polly, developed by ASI, combs social media to build profiles of different demographics and determine their preferences. This method has already led to Polly’s success in predicting both Donald Trump’s 2016 election victory and Brexit. With the 2019 Canadian federal election campaign as a real-time backdrop, the filmmakers put Polly to the test to reveal how AI doesn’t just give a detailed picture of the public’s voting intentions. It also shows how specific events can alter them.

But will knowing voters’ hopes and concerns give politicians the intel they need to respond and lead the way to a "utopian" society, as ASI’s CEO Erin Kelly claims? Or will governments and opponents simply use this data to mislead us? And should politicians even be reacting to desires expressed on social media?

#documentary #AI #elections
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH4WUXVfNj0

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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2021, 05:48:29 pm »
Terence McKenna speaks a little on Western "mass media" in this clip and how he believes it created the modern idea of the "public" and the "citizen". Lest we forget that "public opinion" is a Western construct used to manipulate the majority under a Western democratic system and to constantly attempt to gauge were the majority of people in said democracy reside ideologically. I will reiterate here the fact that just because a majority of people believe something to be true does not necessarily make it so.

Should also be noted that Terence McKenna was also a prominent figure of the anti-Western counterculture in the U.S.

Terence McKenna's Unbelievable Prophecy On The Internet & Mass Media
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Another episode on one of my philosophy heroes, Terence McKenna. Terence is a writer, philosopher, and ethnobotanist. In this video we talk about the impact of mass media and the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJr9MEJWJXc





McKenna is a bit contradictory with this following quote considering McKenna was supposedly anti-ideology in his own words. What is an ideology if nothing more than a plan?



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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2021, 11:46:30 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK_sZDbWwRI

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"In my dictatorship, we would have stamped this out so long ago."

So will Fiorentini agree to never praise democracy ever again? I hope so, but I doubt it.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2021, 10:18:04 pm »
Following up my previous post:

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14,000 scientists warn of "untold suffering" if we fail to act on climate change
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There are some phrases that should stop you in your tracks. The warning of a future that holds "untold suffering" is one of them. That is exactly what scientists from around the world are cautioning will happen if we don't take the threat of climate change seriously. In a paper published Wednesday in the journal BioScience, more than 14,000 scientists from 153 countries signed their name to research that warns of an incoming climate emergency.

The paper, led by researchers from Oregon State University, uses 31 different planetary variables that tell us how Earth is holding up in the face of humanity's insistence on draining natural resources and pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. The list of checks includes surface temperature levels, rainforest health, and glacial ice levels, along with directly human-controlled factors like the health of the global economy and the availability of fossil fuel subsidies.
https://www.mic.com/p/14000-scientists-warn-of-untold-suffering-if-we-fail-to-act-on-climate-change-82642062

Lol. Hundreds of millions of "low information voters" who vote for politicians who are paid millions of dollars by the fossil fuel industry and other consumerist industries >>>>>>>> 14,000 scientists.

Earth's f*cked I guess, since those 14,000 scientists and millions of people who claim care about global warming actually care about prolonging democracy more than they care about ending global warming.

We can use that as a wedge issue or litmus test or whatever one wants to call it. Ask people if they care more about ending global warming, ending animal exploitation, ending racism, making billionaires pay taxes, etc. or democracy. Ask them over and over again for every position they claim to hold. Because the solutions to all those issues are mutually exclusive with democracy. (You don't even need to point out that China has been the world's leader in renewable energy for decades, despite having to deal with the complexity of governing twice the amount of people as the US and EU combined, precisely because its non-democratic system of government is actually capable of getting things done:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/aug/01/renewableenergy.climatechange
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-climate-change-policy-solar-production
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2019/01/11/china-renewable-energy-superpower/ )

Seriously, read the 14,000 scientists article. Look at all the dozens of dire warning signs that they've been pointing out since at least the 1960s. How can these people seriously claim to believe in the "climate emergency" if they aren't out there advocating for the immediate end to the system of government which refused for an entire lifetime to do even the bare minimum recommended abatement measures? Anyone who isn't advocating to switch to a competent form of government in order to tackle global warming isn't actually a climate activist or concerned about the "endless suffering" and "existential threat" posed by it. Such people are merely outrage junkies who write and read sensationalist headlines as a hobby.

If they were serious about tackling climate change, you'd think at least one--just one--of them would be willing to advocate for a better system of government. But every single one of them hold democracy to be more dear than fixing the planet. That's the hill they will literally die on--letting our entire planet die because they think it's too taboo and unimaginable to acknowledge that the West's system of government is utterly incapable of putting the welfare of society as a whole first. They care more about sustaining that facade than they care about ending global warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak



I've actually started to see more and more communist-leaning False Leftists say they reject "electoralism". They're so close, but democracy is still too sacred and taboo for them to speak out against it explicitly. But not for us--because we actually care about the fate of the planet.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2021, 08:56:15 pm »
Well, I guess we know who is about to be done like dinner....

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2021, 10:22:09 pm »
MASS PSYCHOSIS - How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL
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In this video we are going to explore the most dangerous of all psychic epidemics, the mass psychosis. A mass psychosis is an epidemic of madness and it occurs when a large portion of a society loses touch with reality and descends into delusions. Such a phenomenon is not a thing of fiction. Two examples of mass psychoses are the American and European witch hunts 16th and 17th centuries and the rise of totalitarianism in the 20th century.

This video will aim to answer questions surrounding mass psychosis: What is it? How does is start? Has it happened before? Are we experiencing one right now? And if so, how can the stages of a mass psychosis be reversed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M

And, in a democracy those suffering from mass psychosis still have a vote. Think about that little fact. Taking that fact into account one could easily argue that democracy could actually become one of the most evil and worst tyranny's ever experienced by life anywhere!

"Just follow the majority! The majority of people could never be evil and wrong!" This is what most Westerners believe, right?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2021, 11:22:38 pm »
Ted Nugent tells Tucker tyrants can 'kiss his a**'
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Musician Ted Nugent joined 'Tucker Carlson Today' to discuss defending the Second Amendment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ7hFDIl4Y

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Chris Grignon
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Ted Nugent for President you think they went crazy for Trump

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/re-trump-disapproval-377/?message=3918

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2021, 10:16:23 pm »
"I've actually started to see more and more communist-leaning False Leftists say they reject "electoralism". They're so close, but democracy is still too sacred and taboo for them to speak out against it explicitly."

Communists are devout progressives. They can in theory believe that democracy is inferior, but only to a system newer than democracy (e.g. rule by AI?). They will never believe that democracy could be inferior to ancient systems of autocracy. Communists are among those least capable of nostalgia, as any nostalgia would contradict their central belief that the best is yet to come.

Meanwhile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbhCHQhAxrc

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2021, 05:17:23 pm »
Communists are devout progressives. They can in theory believe that democracy is inferior, but only to a system newer than democracy (e.g. rule by AI?).

Yep, that is pretty much how they react:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy

Let society be run by "experts" or AI algorithms programmed by those "experts". This will increase administrative efficiency, but if the educated elite and uneducated masses believe in the same fundamental principles of Western Civilization (which they do), things will not fundamentally improve.


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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2021, 12:40:55 am »
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/high-school-captain-and-classmates-fight-back-against-woke-orthodoxy/video/cd78cc25a2ceee65a7209e08f089f4e8

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Student Aiden Brennan has spoken to Sky News Australia about his fight as school captain against an “orthodoxy” that’s telling young boys they are “oppressors” and are “guilty of sins” that happened well before they were born.

Mr Brennan said his classmates voted for him to be captain because he “wanted to stand up against that”.

He said the school unusually made his cohort have multiple votes on school captain despite the outcome being the same each time.

“They sort of kept making us vote and they kept getting the same answer so eventually they had to accept me,” Mr Brennan said.

If you don't want a pro-Western captain, don't use a Western method of selection (ie. democracy)!

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2021, 04:14:28 pm »
More democracy:



Even more democracy:

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When President John F. Kennedy took office in 1961, he needed Senate approval for 779 of his appointments.

That was a highly irrational way to run a government.


Sixty years later, despite efforts at reform and widespread recognition of the irrationality, President Biden needs Senate approval for 1,237 positions — an increase of 59 percent, as a new report from the Partnership for Public Service discloses.

We’ve gone from irrational to just plain crazy.

How crazy? The Post and the Partnership are tracking 799 of those positions (leaving out some advisory boards and less essential jobs). As of this week, only 112 of them have been filled.

More than six months into his presidency, in other words — more than an eighth of the way through his term — Biden hardly has the beginning of an executive team in place.
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At about this point of every administration, you start to see stories assigning blame for the empty offices. Republicans will ask why Biden has nominated only 323 of the 799. Administration officials would say there’s not much point in stacking up another few hundred nominees for obstructionists such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), who has been holding up State Department nominees to grandstand his opposition to the administration’s stance on a Russia-Germany natural gas pipeline.

But the better question is, why do things this way in the first place?
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The Senate could insist on true accountability: Confirm the truly senior positions, let those officials appoint the teams they want, and then hold those executives responsible for results.

In turn, those executives would have an experienced, empowered civil service to rely on, with institutional memory and long-term commitment.

The country would have a government capable of taking on complex problems.

Imagine the board of directors of a large corporation appointing a new chief executive and then forcing that executive to operate without a team for months and even years.

Shareholders wouldn’t stand for such absurdity. Why should taxpayers?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/08/us-government-is-designed-failure-new-study-shows-its-getting-steadily-worse/

Why should taxpayers stand for the absurdity of anyone in government being elected, instead of a qualified appointee?

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The first piece of advice is vote... As if environmentalists haven't been attempting to do that since the 1960s? What's next, write to your representative? As if their staffers don't just shred all the mail without reading it..? What's the democratic step 3 when voting and writing to your representative don't work? Give up and accept our doom because people care more about democracy than environmentalism, I guess.

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The climate crisis is an accelerating calamity of our own making. So what would it take to turn things around?
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Vote. Divest. Plant trees. Recycle. Remove fossil fuel subsidies. Go renewable. We don’t need to accept the inevitable demise of life on the planet
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But embedded in the gloom and doom of the latest tome is the glimmer of a hopeful message – that there is no physical reason why we must accept the inevitable demise of life on the planet.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/19/the-climate-crisis-is-an-accelerating-calamity-of-our-own-making-so-what-would-it-take-to-turn-things-around

From the comments:
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It may take more than that. NASA's former lead climate scientist James Hansen got himself arrested several times protesting government inaction on climate change.

A number of years ago, speaking to Americans, he said we should all be down at the White House knocking on the door about this.

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A global vegan ecologist dictatorship would turn things round. Viewed dispassionately from outer space it makes perfect sense but it would be like expecting a swarm of locusts to go easy on the crops.

Finally! A solution! Now we just need to convince them to stop being a cynical defeatist and bring this into a reality.


Meanwhile, Rwanda is another 'dictatorship' leading the way:

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In 2008, the small East African nation of 12 million people instituted a national ban on non-biodegradable plastic bags. The polyethylene bags, which shoppers typically only use once before throwing out, are known to amass in landfills, litter streets, obstruct sewer systems and hurt marine life.

Rwanda was still recovering from the economic and emotional destruction of genocide in the mid-1990s. As part of a revival plan, leaders decided to emphasize environmental protection, resulting in a series of reforms that included the bag measure. It wasn’t the first national bag ban -- Bangladesh passed one in 2002 -- but Rwanda’s law has serious teeth. It prohibits the manufacture, use, importation and sale of the bags. Owners of businesses that violate the ban face up to a year in prison, and anyone caught carrying a bag faces stiff fines. Businesses that flout the rules are raided; travelers who enter Rwanda’s borders are subject to searches. Strict enforcement has led to some revolt among small business owners and the growth of a black market trade in plastic bags. But there’s been less ire from bag manufacturers, who were encouraged through tax incentives and recycling contracts to convert their businesses.

Rwanda’s audacious ban, however harsh it may be, seems to have been effective. Numerous international environmental agencies have praised the prohibition for helping clean up the streets of the country, especially the capital city of Kigali.
https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-rwanda-plastic-bag-ban.html

So, what are Western nations' excuses for not doing the same? Oh yeah, democracy.