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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2022, 04:31:51 am »

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Re: Homo Hubris
« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2022, 01:26:29 pm »
Swiss overwhelmingly reject ban on animal testing



Every time such a topic comes up on social media, a well-meaning few will suggest that, in principle, it would be preferable to test on violent criminals over non-humans. Those people are immediately attacked, because somehow, a non-human who's done us nothing wrong deserves to be put on the chopping block and exploited more than even the worst human. This is what the concept of "human rights" has done to the western brain, people. Never forget how disgusting and cruel the majority of humans are for even a single second. Lovers of animal testing have become so calloused and adulterated, that they love this sick world enough to willingly sacrifice millions of living beings whose only crime was being born as the "wrong" species. They literally view life down here as a privilege, and want to prolong it for its own sake. The one minor good thing to come from this, is that every time the well-meaning few that I mention are hit with the comeback "Calm down, Mengele", the supporters of animal testing are implicitly stating that the National Socialists weren't western like our old enemy here, Switzerland.

Side note: Even worse than the proud preference for violent humans over presumably innocent non-humans are the passive-aggressive comments that attack true leftists with "Looks like you should be the first to volunteer to be tested then, if you hate animal testing so much." First of all, burn in hell. I'll volunteer once every single human being who supports this has been tested on first. We will no longer fall for the ancient anti-Gnostic mind-game of "Well if you hate the material world then you should set an example by being the first to leave.", or any other similar mind-games like it. If anything, the people who fight against animal testing the most, and benefit from it the least, are the least deserving of being tested on. So it logically follows that if animal testing is wrong, then the people who have praised it and benefited from it the most, are the ones who should be volunteering to move to the front of the line. Of course, the dishonorable are mostly aware of this on at least a subconscious level. They just don't care.
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« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2022, 07:09:09 pm »
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Of course, the dishonorable are mostly aware of this on at least a subconscious level. They just don't care.

And, it is these types that will continue to reproduce, whilst I suspect that the drop in human birth rates are noble people choosing not to reproduce and bring children into this world because they understand how terrible most human-beings really are on a fundamental level. Things will get 10 times worse on this planet for non-humans once all traces of true nobility have been bred out of humanity by the ignoble. What a dark and dismal world that will be....

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #78 on: April 03, 2022, 08:44:42 pm »
Democracy consistently continues to deliver rightism:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-viktor-orban-europe-nato-budapest-e29b5d42a86086bb65b413e2b6d1c2bc

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BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) — Hungary’s nationalist Prime Minister Viktor Orban declared victory in Sunday’s national elections, claiming a mandate for a fourth term as a still incomplete vote count showed a strong lead for his right-wing party.

In a 10-minute speech to Fidesz party officials and supporters at an election night event in Budapest, Orban addressed a crowd cheering “Viktor!” and declared it was a “huge victory” for his party.

“We won a victory so big that you can see it from the moon, and you can certainly see it from Brussels,” said Orban, who has often been condemned by the European Union for overseeing democratic backsliding and alleged corruption.

While votes were still being tallied, it appeared clear that the question was not whether Orban’s Fidesz party would take the election, but by how much.

With around 91% of votes tallied, Orban’s Fidesz-led coalition had won 53%, while a pro-European opposition coalition, United for Hungary, had just over 34%, according to the National Election Office.
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“We have heard a lot of nonsense recently about whether there is democracy in Hungary,” Kovacs said. “Hungarian democracy in the last 12 years has not weakened, but been strengthened.”
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In a surprise performance, radical right-wing party Our Homeland Movement appeared to have garnered more than 6% of the vote, exceeding the 5% threshold needed to gain seats in parliament.

Also:

https://barenakedislam.com/2022/03/30/france-majority-agree-with-presidential-candidate-eric-zemmours-plan-to-remigrate-one-million-mostly-muslim-migrants-with-criminal-records/

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Even 34% of Leftists agree with this plan.
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2022, 10:40:26 pm »
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Democracy consistently continues to deliver rightism:

This must be by Westerners and false-leftists love it SO much!? For example, these Westerners want Republicans to return to democracy even after they just recently elected Trump:

Let's talk about how Putin is saving the Republican party from itself....


Which begs the question, how many Trump's and Putin's will need to be elected before Westerners let their delusion go? Furthermore, how come most of these Westerners do not seek democracy in business because their boss displays authoritarian tendencies?

Perhaps the biggest problem with Westerners and why they love democracy so much is because they believe most people are good, because they believe themselves to be good?

Most Americans think that the majority of the country aren't bad people, but poorer Americans are less likely to think the world tends to be good
https://today.yougov.com/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2015/09/30/world-more-good-people-than-bad

The problem with polls such as the one stated in the article above is the fact that the person taking the poll cannot know for certain whether or not the person they are asking the question, "do you believe most people are good or bad?", is actually a good or bad person themselves. Lastly, one does not have to look too far to realize that most people are not compassionate or empathetic:


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Are humans in the majority good, compassionate, kind hearted and generous, or are they bad, manipulative, selfish and untrustworthy?

People can be split into five main categories when it comes to morality (which I assume is what you are asking). The boundaries are blurred and people under stress may "go back" a stage or two. Using stealing as an example (but any bad behaviour can be inserted):

Amoral: These will steal, regardless of consequences and feel no remorse whatsoever
Expedient: These will steal and only feel bad about it if they are found out
Conformist: These will not steal because someone else has told them not to (not because of any internalised sense of decency)
Irrational Altruistic: These will tend not to steal because, if they did, they would not feel good about themselves
Rational Altruistic: These will not steal because they would not feel good about themselves but also because it would not be fair to, or nice for, the other person (ie they are able to empathise).

As "good, compassionate, kind hearted and generous" only really describes the rational altruistic, then most people can probably be considered "bad, manipulative, selfish and untrustworthy". From personal experience and observation, I suspect that the majority of humans are Expedient!

    Pennie, Nottingham, UK

I agree with Penny! The majority of humans are not good people and this fact is easily proven!

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #80 on: April 09, 2022, 11:20:44 pm »
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He'll be voting in November. Will you?


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Vlad Putin and his ex-KGB pals would be so PROUD of you MAGAfans!

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #81 on: April 18, 2022, 08:19:47 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/brexit/msg12818/#msg12818

Why do any leftists still support democracy?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10723057/Britons-Boris-Johnsons-Rwanda-plan-poll-says-Huge-support-defies-hand-wringing-critics.html

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Voters back Boris Johnson’s plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda by two to one, a poll revealed last night.

The survey for the Daily Mail found that even Labour voters are more likely to support it than oppose it

Only a small minority care about being ethical. They, not the majority, should be the ones who make the important decisions:

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Gillian Triggs, assistant high commissioner at the UN refugee agency, said the scheme was ‘unacceptable’ and a breach of international law.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2022, 09:08:39 pm »
Again our enemies accurately demonstrate that they are the true democrats:

https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2022/04/russia-ukraine-disinformation-what-are-they-hiding.html

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Could it be that Russia has a legitimate reason for this war? Could this war be considered a just war from Russia’s point of view? When we “connect the dots” of the past few decades, a picture that contradicts the “approved” narrative starts to emerge. To see clearly involves taking a trip down the “Rabbit Hole”.

So what do our enemies claim is the source of legitimacy?

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Mearsheimer’s predictions are based on exposing the facts of the 2014 Maidan coup d’etat in Ukraine that threw out the democratically elected pro-Russian Prime Minister, Victor Yanukovich.
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As soon as Ukraine came closer to being incorporated into NATO after the Maidan coup, Russia’s immediate response was to re-annex the Crimean peninsula to Russia. This was a move wildly popular with the largely Russian population of Crimea who had voted strongly in the 2010 election for the deposed Prime Minister Yanukovich.  Russia held a referendum in Crimea on the choice of reunion with Russia. The vote was overwhelmingly in favour. In a flash, NATO lost its bid to take over Sevastopol.
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the largely ethnic Russian East Ukrainian region of the Donbas, which had also voted overwhelmingly for the deposed Prime Minister Yanukovich, attempted to break away from Ukraine now that the coup had effectively disenfranchised them. They formed the breakaway republics of Donetz and Lugansk, and also sought annexation by Russia.

NATO was never about democracy; during the Cold War, NATO was happy to ally with autocracies so long as they were willing to fight the Soviets. This is what NATO needs to get back to. The sooner NATO drops its idiotic "pro-democracy" rhetoric, the sooner China stops feeling threatened by NATO and hence might see the sense in allying with NATO against Russia!
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2022, 01:27:37 pm »
Although rightists are eager to claim he embraces dictatorship, I think it is equally as likely he was just trying to "warn" that the West's "adversaries" were gaining ground on them.
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Justin Trudeau Said He Admired China’s Dictatorship.
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At a “ladies night” fundraiser in Toronto in 2013, an up-and-coming politician was asked which nation’s administration he admired most in the world.

Wearing a pale blue shirt and a smile, the fresh-faced Liberal Party leader answered Communist China.

“There is a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green, we need to start, you know, investing in solar,” Justin Trudeau told the group of women. “There is a flexibility that I know [Prime Minister] Stephen Harper must dream about: having a dictatorship where you can do whatever you wanted, that I find quite interesting.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20220412170532/https://fee.org/articles/justin-trudeau-said-he-admired-china-s-dictatorship-canadians-should-have-believed-him/

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Trudeau took to social media Friday to explain himself.

“I pointed out that globally, Canada is up against big countries (China, for one) that can address some major issues quickly,” he wrote on Twitter.

“It’s ridiculous for anyone to suggest that I of all people would trade our rights and freedoms for any other system of (government).”

Trudeau made the remarks during a ladies-only fundraiser billed as “Justin Unplugged,” which invited women “to (really) get to know the future prime minister.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20220418221326/https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-under-fire-for-expressing-admiration-for-china-s-basic-dictatorship-1.1535116

His response at 1:35 is something so many democracy-worshiping liberals say completely honestly. ...Like, if they just thought about what the words they are saying actually mean, maybe they would realize how pitiful democracy is...

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« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2022, 01:33:08 pm »
This article is behind a paywall, but many people have written similar headlines about elected judges and elected sheriffs. ...When will they realize electing politicians is just as dangerous for society?

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America’s elected coroners are too often a public-health liability
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/01/29/americas-elected-coroners-are-too-often-a-public-health-liability

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2022, 01:50:52 pm »
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The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
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This result supports the findings of more recent shorter-term surveys in China, and reinforces long-held patterns of citizens reporting local grievances to Beijing in hopes of central government action. “I think citizens often hear that the central government has introduced a raft of new policies, then get frustrated when they don’t always see the results of such policy proclamations, but they think it must be because of malfeasance or foot-dragging by the local government,” said Saich.

Compared to the relatively high satisfaction rates with Beijing, respondents held considerably less favorable views toward local government. At the township level, the lowest level of government surveyed, only 11.3 percent of respondents reported that they were “very satisfied.”

Again, the U.S. reveals quite a different story. “American trust surveys over time show a clear distinction between low levels of trust towards the federal government, but a strong belief and faith in the power of local government — at the most local level, those positions may be filled by part-time volunteers who are a part of your everyday life,” said Cunningham. This dichotomy is highlighted by a 2017 Gallup poll, where 70 percent of U.S. respondents had a “great” or “fair” amount of trust in local government.

Saich contends that the lack of trust in local governments in China is due to the fact that they provide the vast majority of services to the Chinese people. This trust deficit was compounded by the 1994 tax reforms, which garnered a substantially larger share of total national tax revenues for the central government. Local governments, despite being faced with declining revenues, were still on the hook for providing the bulk of public services throughout China.
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The responses from survey participants in rural areas, however, surprised the researchers, particularly over time. “We did not anticipate how quickly both low-income citizens and people from less-developed regions in China closed the satisfaction gap with high-income citizens and people from the coastal areas,” Cunningham added.

The surveys found that rural residents, generally poorer than those in cities, had more optimistic attitudes about inequality than their wealthier urban counterparts.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

Imagine that, a 95.5% satisfaction rate when your nation isn't pitted in a battle for 49% of the population vs 51%...

As for the local governments, note the misleading comparison of asking Chinese citizens if they were "satisfied" vs the US poll asking if people "trusted" the local governments. You can give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't massively corrupt without being satisfied by them. ...And I imagine US satisfaction with local government would  be even lower if they actually provided any substantial amount of services. Non-existent public transit, poor road maintenance, locally-controlled police who are so corrupt they can get away with murder and steal more than non-police criminals, terrible city planning which promotes suburban sprawl and car-centric travel, etc.... People vote for the most unsatisfying policies and then wonder why things suck.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2022, 12:06:55 pm »
Biden voters were much more likely to report negative voting than Trump voters in the 2020 election
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In the 2020 election, many Americans chose to vote due to their hatred of the opposing candidate, rather than their fondness for their chosen politician. A study published in American Political Research seeks to understand the dynamics behind this so-called “negative voting” pattern.

Politics is regularly a field that contains a lot of negativities, but the 2020 American presidential election was particularly difficult and polarizing. Negative voting is a choice made by constituents to vote for a certain candidate, not because they want to support them, but because they do not want their opposing candidate to win.

This is in contrast with voters who vote because they have positive feelings about their own party and their candidate. Though this is not a new concept, it is very prevalent at this point in time with approximately one third of voters in the 2020 election casting a negative vote for president.
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Researchers Diego Garzia and Frederico Ferreira da Silva utilized a Computer Assisted Web Interview survey conducted by Qualtrics. It included 1,064 participants to represent the American voting pool. Participants were presented with a direct measure of negative voting, where they were asked if they view their vote as an expression or support for their candidate or opposition for the competing candidate. Votes against are considered negative votes.

Results showed that approximately 30% of participants cast a negative vote. Despite the polarization the 2020 election brought, this is not significantly more than in previous elections. Interestingly, Biden voters were much more likely (39%) to report negative voting than Trump voters (18%).

This is in line with previous research that showed that the incumbent candidate was more often the target of negative voting than the challenger. Negative voting is seen less in people with strong party affiliations and can go as high as 50% among people who swing between parties or identify as independents.
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This study sought to revisit the idea of negative voting in regard to the very polarizing 2020 presidential election. Despite the strengths, this study has some limitations. For example, post-electoral surveys can lead to post-election rationalization, which could skew the results. Additionally, online surveys have come under fire many times for potentially being less accurate and being completed less carefully.

The study, “The Electoral Consequences of Affective Polarization? Negative Voting in the 2020 US Presidential Election“, was authored by Diego Garzia and Frederico Ferreira da Silva.
https://www.psypost.org/2022/05/biden-voters-were-much-more-likely-to-report-negative-voting-than-trump-voters-in-the-2020-election-63174

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When they show you who they are, believe them.


In other-words, people are forced to vote for "the lesser of two evils", which means they're often still voting for evil. This is democracy.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2022, 12:00:40 am »
I assume this is not satire. It really illustrates just how incapable democracy is of functioning. The politicians just vote to hold themselves unaccountable. LOL



Note that one of the major supposed differences between autocracy and democracy is that, in a democracy, politicians are theoretically able to be held "accountable" for their actions by the check and balance of voting. But little good that's ever done.

Meanwhile, corrupt monarchs and dynasties were often overthrown by other dynasties or individuals who claimed they could do a better job.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #88 on: June 16, 2022, 10:25:54 pm »
Some good news for once:
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Poll: Half of Americans now predict U.S. may 'cease to be a democracy' someday

A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows that most Democrats (55%) and Republicans (53%) now believe it is “likely” that America will “cease to be a democracy in the future” — a stunning expression of bipartisan despair about the direction of the country.

Half of all Americans (49%) express the same sentiment when independents and those who do not declare any political affiliation are factored in, while just a quarter (25%) consider the end of U.S. democracy unlikely and another quarter (25%) say they’re unsure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-half-of-americans-now-predict-us-may-cease-to-be-a-democracy-someday-090028564.html

Although, to be realistic, it is likely that the 53% of Republicans want to end democracy to empower themselves, while the 55% of Democrats fear that Republicans are going to be the ones who end democracy.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2022, 08:33:25 pm »
Rightists are the authentic democrats:

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-secede-us-2023-gop-pushes-referendum-1717254

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The Texas GOP's new party platform also called for full repeal of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

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the Act sought to secure the right to vote for racial minorities throughout the country, especially in the South. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the Act is considered to be the most effective piece of federal civil rights legislation ever enacted in the country.[9] It is also "one of the most far-reaching pieces of civil rights legislation in U.S. history."[10]

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 defends suffragism, not democracy. As I explained here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/how-the-u-s-stole-mexico/msg13791/#msg13791

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Rightists are the true democrats in that they still hold to the original definition of the demos. False Leftists, who favour non-demos people voting also, would be more accurately labelled as suffragists. Suffragism is thus a way to undermine (traditional) democracy without abandoning elections. Of course True Leftists differ from False Leftists in that we would prefer to openly defeat democracy by ending elections altogether. Nevertheless, until we succeed in ending elections, we of course pragmatically prefer suffragism over (traditional) democracy, which is why we support:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/demographic-blueshift/

True Leftists (authentic autocrats) have been reluctantly forced into an emergency coalition with False Leftists (suffragists, who inaccurately call themselves "democrats") solely in order to keep rightists (authentic democrats, who are nevertheless inaccurately called "autocrats" by False Leftists) from winning.

Back to first link, further evidence that rightists are the authentic democrats:

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The platform describes homosexuality as "an abnormal lifestyle choice," and also declares that the party opposes "all efforts to validate transgender identity."

Majority opinion within the demos is all that matters to authentic democrats (ie. rightists). They do not care about minority opinion within the demos, nor do they care about opinions of non-demos people (irrespective of number).
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