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Re: Progressive Yahwism
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2022, 10:29:46 pm »
A useful resource:

http://www.jinfo.org/index.html

Jews explain why they are our enemies:

http://www.jinfo.org/Reflections.html

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THE GIFTS OF THE JEWS: How a Tribe of Desert Nomads Changed the Way Everyone Thinks and Feels
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The Jews started it all - and by "it" I mean so many of the things we care about, the underlying values that make all of us, Jew and Gentile, believer and atheist, tick.  Without the Jews, we would see the world with different eyes, hear with different ears, even feel with different feelings.  And not only would our sensorium, the screen through which we receive the world, be different: we would think with a different mind, interpret all our experience differently, draw different conclusions from the things that befall us.  And we would set  a different course for our lives.

By "we" I mean the usual "we" of late-twentieth-century writing: the people of the Western world, whose peculiar but vital mentality has come to infect every culture on earth, so that, in a startlingly precise sense, all humanity is now willy-nilly caught up in this "we."  For better or worse, the role of the West in humanity's history is singular.  Because of this, the role of the Jews, the inventors of Western culture, is also singular: there is simply no one else remotely like them; theirs is a unique vocation. 
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Our history is replete with examples of those who have refused to see what the Jews are really about, who - through intellectual blindness, racial chauvinism, xenophobia, or just plain evil - have been unable to give this oddball tribe, this raggle-taggle band, this race of wanderers who are the progenitors of the Western world, their due.  Indeed, at the end of this bloodiest of centuries, we can all too easily look back on scenes of unthinkable horror perpetrated by those who would do anything rather than give the Jews their due.
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The first of these new perspectives was a narrative of purpose and progress.

... History, in this sense - open, purposive, contingent in liberty - is not a Greek or Roman idea.  It is Hebraic; its source springs from the Biblical historians and prophets.  Probably most of the humans who had ever lived before the arrival of Judaism on the world stage never even heard of "progress."  The literature of Greece and Rome looks backwards, to golden ages of the past; the movement of time is circular.

... Second, Hebrew metaphysics held that everything in creation in all its workings and purposes is intelligible - suffused with reason, not absurd - in the eyes of a divine and loving Creator, Who created from nothing everything that is, and saw that it was good ...  The Creator is independent of the world; therefore, the world can be looked into, investigated, and experimented with without infringing on His divinity.
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Nowadays, even secular people interpret history in the light of progress, rights, and liberty. ... the Gentiles learned the essential outlook of the Hebrews: that the Creator gave humans a special place among all other creatures
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This sequence of related conceptions - that time had a beginning and is measured for progress (or decline) by God's standards; that everything in the world is intelligible, and that to inquire, invent, and discover is an impulse of faith as well as of reason ... and that history is to be grasped as the drama of human liberty

Progressivism, empiricism and anthropecentrism. It is our duty to destroy all three.
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2022, 10:54:22 pm »
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Without the Jews, we would see the world with different eyes, hear with different ears, even feel with different feelings.

So they're admitting that without the Jews it may have been possible that hundreds of billions of non-humans and humans may never have been raped, oppressed, maimed spiritually and physically, and murdered. Good to know! Thanks for the honesty, as rare as it is! Also, climate change may never have happened, we probably wouldn't have nukes, WWI and WWII may not have happened, and we wouldn't be facing ecological collapse, etc....

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Re: Progressive Yahwism
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2022, 10:50:45 pm »
I've never heard of this before. Here is what historians call the "march of progress" when applied in contexts writing histories of political, scientific, etc. topics.
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Whig history (or Whig historiography), often appearing as whig history, is an approach to historiography that presents history as a journey from a dark and terrible past to a "glorious present".[1] The present described is generally one with modern forms of liberal democracy and constitutional monarchy: the term was coined to criticise grand narratives praising Britain's adoption of constitutional monarchy and the historical development of the Westminster system.[2] The term has also been applied widely in historical disciplines outside of British history (e.g. in the history of science) to describe "any subjection of history to what is essentially a teleological view of the historical process".[3] When the term is used in contexts other than British history, "whig history" (lowercase) is preferred.[3]

In the British context, whig historians emphasize the rise of constitutional government, personal freedoms and scientific progress.[4][5] The term is often applied generally (and pejoratively) to histories that present the past as the inexorable march of progress towards enlightenment. The term is also used extensively in the history of science to refer to historiography that focuses on the successful chains of theories and experiments that led to present-day theories, while ignoring failed theories and dead ends.[6]
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In science

It has been argued that the historiography of science is "riddled with Whiggish history".[53][verification needed] Like other whig histories, whig history of science tends to divide historical actors into "good guys" who are on the side of truth (as is now known), and "bad guys" who opposed the emergence of these truths because of ignorance or bias.[54] Science is seen as emerging from 'a series of victories over pre-scientific thinking'.[25]
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More recently, some scholars have argued that Whig history is essential to the history of science. At one level, "the very term 'the history of science' has itself profoundly Whiggish implications. One may be reasonably clear what 'science' means in the 19th century and most of the 18th century. In the 17th century 'science' has very different meaning. Chemistry, for example, was then inextricably mixed up with alchemy. Before the 17th century dissecting out such a thing as 'science' in anything like the modern sense of the term involves profound distortions".[58] The science historians' rejection of whiggishness has been criticised by some scientists for failing to appreciate "the temporal depth of scientific research".[59]
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In philosophy

One very common example of Whig history is the work of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, to whom is often ascribed a teleological view of history with an inexorable trajectory in the direction of progress.[63]
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In the emergence of intelligent life

In The Anthropic Cosmological Principle (1986), John D. Barrow and Frank J. Tipler identify whiggishness with a teleological principle of convergence in history to liberal democracy.
This is in line with what Barrow and Tipler call the "anthropic principle".[65]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history

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Re: Progressive Yahwism
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2022, 09:08:56 pm »
If aliens are tempted to spend millions of years traveling to the Earth to examine life, that will be a major victory for the Demiurge. The transmitted messages will continue to propagate through space for millions of years (if my understanding is correct). So, even if humans become extinct, or even if Earth is destroyed by the Sun becoming a red giant, the message will still be out there, waiting to hook someone else into prolonging their species's existence...

I think the only good news is, with currently technology, the transmissions become scrambled after a certain distance/time, so they aren't just out there forever. But Westerners keep working to make the transmissions more powerful.
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Scientists to Broadcast Earth's Location to Aliens, Ignoring Stephen Hawking's Warning

Scientists have designed a radio message to be beamed into deep space that is meant to be received and, they hope, understood by an intelligent alien civilization.

The message is essentially an updated version of the famous Arecibo message, transmitted in 1974, which had the same purpose. Broadcast from the Arecibo Radio Telescope in Puerto Rico, the message consisted of 1,679 bits arranged into 73 lines of 23 characters.

The message was transmitted in binary code—ones and zeroes. Once decoded, the message forms a visual graphic consisting of a stick figure of a human as well as representations of our solar system, DNA, and the Arecibo telescope.

Now, scientists have designed a new message to improve upon the Arecibo transmission. Called the Beacon in the Galaxy (BITG) message, it contains more information about basic mathematics and science than the Arecibo message did. It is hoped that these concepts will be universally understood by life forms of at least similar intelligence to humans.
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The late physics professor Stephen Hawking expressed concern multiple times about humans calling out into the vastness of space and contacting aliens.

In 2015, Hawking appeared at an event announcing the launch of the Breakthrough Listen project, which studies radio waves in an effort to find out if any of them are artificial in origin.

Hawking showed support for efforts to find alien life by listening, but warned against actively reaching out ourselves, using humanity's own behavior as a sign that aliens won't necessarily be friendly.

"If you look at history, contact between humans and less intelligent organisms have often been disastrous from their point of view, and encounters between civilizations with advanced versus primitive technologies have gone badly for the less advanced," he said.

Hawking went on to say that aliens could be vastly more powerful than us and "may not see us as any more valuable than we see bacteria."

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Jamilah Hah is also involved in the BITG project. She thinks that the benefits of contacting aliens outweigh the potential risks.

"Thus, as long as contact is approached with a clear sign of peace, it can be assumed that the hopeful possibilities and discoveries that come alongside communication outweigh the risk."
https://www.newsweek.com/scientists-send-transmit-earth-location-aliens-stephen-hawking-warning-arecibo-1694139

We don't even need to think about how we treat bacteria. Just think about how technologically-advanced humans like Columbus (or Elon Musk or any other billionaire) treat other humans.

Greetings Earthlings, we come in search of "peace" and discovery:
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2022, 02:45:58 pm »
Progressive Yahwist definition of "advancement":

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/aliens-created-universe-lab-scientist-153800144.html

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Could our universe have been created in a petri dish? Avi Loeb seems to think so. The Harvard astronomer posits that a higher “class” of civilization may have conjured up our universe in a laboratory far, far away.
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He also introduces a new way of classifying exactly what makes a civilization advanced—one that veers away from Soviet astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev’s system, which organizes civilizations based on the amount of energy they generate and consume.

According to Kardashev, Type I civilizations—greetings, Earthlings!—are only advanced enough to utilize the starlight that reaches their planet (4×1012 watts), while Type II civilizations have mastered the ability to fully harness their host star’s power (4×1026 watts). Dyson sphere, anyone? Type III civilizations, the final classification in his framework, are able to harness all of the energy within their galaxy (a whopping 4×1037 watts).

Loeb, by contrast, has devised a framework that breaks advanced civilizations down into classes based on their ability to “reproduce the astrophysical conditions that led to its existence.”

Earthlings would fall into class C because, as a “low-level” technological civilization, we would not be able to recreate our current conditions should the sun suddenly die. (He suggests we might even fall into the class D category because we’re actively destroying our only home.) On the other hand, class B civilizations, Loeb writes, are advanced enough to recreate the conditions in which they live, independent of their host star.

A class A civilization, like our proposed creators, would be able to, say, generate large amounts of dark energy and, as Loeb suggests, create “baby universes,” or smaller universes controlled by this higher civilization, that could potentially spawn life. He also suggests that, due to competition, only one advanced civilization at a time would be able to reach this level of sophistication.

I don't like Kardashev's definition either, of course, but Loeb's is even worse. A truly superior civilization should not only (contrary to Kardashev's definition) try to consume less energy rather than more, but also (contrary to Loeb's definition) have at least enough ethical concern to refrain from creating more universes in which to imprison even more victims! The only true superiority is nobility.

Anyway, the part in bold sounds like a description of Yahweh to me.

Also, describing our current condition:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

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“low-level” technological civilization

gives you an idea of how depraved progressives really are.

As for:

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(He suggests we might even fall into the class D category because we’re actively destroying our only home.)

I have a different take on this as I previously mentioned:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-seriousness-in-environmentalism/msg9447/#msg9447

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Increasingly, I believe that there is a Yahwist collective subconscious process at work which is deliberately trying to trash Earth beyond saving in order to spur Westerners to expand into outer space ASAP.

To express it in Loeb's terminology, I think Western civilization is merely giving itself more urgent incentives to become class B.

And yes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Loeb

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Abraham "Avi" Loeb (Hebrew: אברהם (אבי) לייב; born February 26, 1962) is an Israeli-American theoretical physicist who works on astrophysics and cosmology.

His interests:

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In 2020, Loeb published a research paper about the possibility that life can propagate from one planet to another,[38] followed by the opinion piece "Noah’s Spaceship" about directed panspermia.[39]

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/
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Re: Progressive Yahwism
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2022, 03:59:57 pm »
I always thought that the whole "Corporations are going to irreparably destroy the environment and make the earth unlivable and doom humanity" angle was a misdirection. Do people really think that the powers that be aren't going to invest all they can into not just improving the chances of, but ENSURING that the evil they commit is able to be committed in perpetuity? They aren't going to just crack the ice from under their own feet, although I wish they would. The bottom line is that I'm certain that people like Elon Musk absolutely LOVE the idea of sustainability
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2022, 08:58:58 pm »
Musk is also a critic of capitalism for leading to sub-optimal innovativeness:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-americans-trying-152047925.html

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Musk later praised the software engineers and technologists on his team, saying that his companies' focus on challenges such as artificial intelligence and spaceflight help him attract top talent.

The best minds, he said, are more interested in pushing the bounds of innovation than in getting paid a lot to work on something boring.

"It's not a money thing," he added. "It's really just how interesting are the projects."

The unspoken assumption underlying his claim is that a thing has to be new in order to not be boring. This is a progressive assumption, which we disagree with. I find that many new things are boring despite being new, whereas many old things are not boring despite being old. This is because I am an absolutist. Whatever is boring will always continue to be boring, and whatever is not boring will never become boring. Whether or not something is boring to me is determined by the quality of the thing itself, and unrelated to how familiar I am with it. Musk, in contrast, lacks such perception. To him, what is boring is anything that he has become too familiar with.

Thus someone like Musk can never be satisfied, because everything that exists at any point in time will become boring to him eventually, whereupon he will desire even more innovation, over and over again without end. In contrast, someone like me can be satisfied forever simply by successfully finding the quality I seek.

In short, Musk worships Yahweh whereas I worship God.

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The Merton thesis is an argument about the nature of early experimental science proposed by Robert K. Merton. Similar to Max Weber's famous claim on the link between Protestant work ethic and the capitalist economy, Merton argued for a similar positive correlation between the rise of Protestant Pietism and early experimental science.[1] The Merton thesis has resulted in continuous debates.[2]
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Protestant values encouraged scientific research by allowing science to identify God's influence on the world and thus providing religious justification for scientific research.[1]
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In 1958, American sociologist Gerhard Lenski's empirical inquiry into The Religious Factor: A Sociological Study of Religion's Impact on Politics, Economics, and Family Life in the Detroit area (Michigan) revealed, among other insights, that there were significant differences between Catholics on the one hand and (white) Protestants and Jews on the other hand with regard to economics and the sciences. Lenski's data supported the basic hypotheses of Max Weber's work The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. According to Lenski, the "contributions of Protestantism to material progress have been largely unintended by-products of certain distinctive Protestant traits. This was a central point in Weber's theory."
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However, Lenski said, asceticism was rare among modern Protestants, and the distinctive Protestant doctrine of "the calling" was largely forgotten. Instead, modern (white) Protestants and Jews had a high degree of "intellectual autonomy" that facilitated scientific and technical advance.[10] By contrast, Lenski pointed out, Catholics developed an intellectual orientation which valued "obedience" to the teachings of their church above intellectual autonomy, which made them less inclined to enter scientific careers. Catholic sociologists[11][12] had come to the same conclusions.[13]
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As a consequence, "none of the predominantly and devoutly Catholic nations in the modern world can be classified as a leading industrial nation. Some Catholic nations – such as France, Italy, Argentina, Brazil, and Chile – are quite highly industrialized, but none of them are leaders in the technological and scientific fields, nor do they seem likely to become so. Recently [1963] some Brazilian Catholic social scientists compared their country's progress with that of the United States and concluded that the chief factor responsible for the differential rates of development is the religious heritage of the two nations."[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merton_thesis

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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2022, 01:11:42 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasa-scientists-present-theory-why-050531254.html

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NASA scientists have explained in a new paper why they believe it’s likely we haven’t ever encountered intelligent extraterrestrial life — and it’s heartbreaking.

All intelligent life, they argue, has likely destroyed itself before reaching a sophisticated enough point in evolution to support such an encounter.

They all figured out that material existence is a prison.

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And the same fate likely awaits humans unless we take action, they believe.

But NASA scientists, being Westerners, want to ensure Yahweh is worshipped without end.

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The “Great Filter” theory — as in “filtering out” various forms of life — argues that other civilizations, possibly several, have existed during the life of the universe. But they all destroyed themselves before they could make contact with Earth, noted the paper, “Avoiding the ‘Great Filter’: Extraterrestrial Life and Humanity’s Future in the Universe.”

The scientists fear that all intelligent life, such as humans, have deeply ingrained dysfunctions that may “snowball quickly into the Great Filter,” they wrote.

We have deeply ingrained Gnostic potential. Only Yahwists would describe this as "dysfunctions".

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But there’s still a bit of hope for humans — provided we can learn and take steps to avoid our own extinction, noted the paper by a team of researchers based at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in southern California.

“The key to humanity successfully traversing such a universal filter is… identifying [destructive] attributes in ourselves and neutralizing them in advance,

This has been a consistently recurrent response, but only in the part of the world that Western civilization was to emerge from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism#History

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The anti-Pythagorean attacks in c. 508 BC were headed by Cylon of Croton.[14][15] Pythagoras escaped to Metapontium. After these initial attacks and the death of Pythagoras, Pythagorean communities in Croton and elsewhere continued to flourish. At around 450 BC attacks on Pythagorean communities were carried out across Magna Graecia. In Croton, a house where Pythagoreans gathered was set on fire and all but two of the Pythagorean philosophers burned alive. Pythagorean meeting places in other cities were also attacked and philosophic leaders killed. These attacks occurred in the context of widespread violence and destruction in Magna Graecia. Following the political instability in the region, some Pythagorean philosophers fled to mainland Greece while others regrouped in Rhegium. By about 400 BC the majority of Pythagorean philosophers had left Italy. Archytas remained in Italy and ancient sources record that he was visited there by young Plato in the early 4th century BC. The Pythagorean schools and societies died out from the 4th century BC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

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Between 1022 and 1163, the Cathars were condemned by eight local church councils, the last of which, held at Tours, declared that all Albigenses should be put into prison and have their property confiscated. The Third Lateran Council of 1179 repeated the condemnation. Innocent III's diplomatic attempts to roll back Catharism were met with little success. After the murder of his legate Pierre de Castelnau in 1208, and suspecting that Raymond VI, Count of Toulouse was responsible, Innocent III declared a crusade against the Cathars. He offered the lands of the Cathar heretics to any French nobleman willing to take up arms.

From 1209 to 1215, the Crusaders experienced great success, capturing Cathar lands and systematically crushing the movement. From 1215 to 1225, a series of revolts caused many of the lands to be regained by the Cathars. A renewed crusade resulted in the recapturing of the territory and effectively drove Catharism underground by 1244. The Albigensian Crusade had a role in the creation and institutionalization of both the Dominican Order and the Medieval Inquisition. The Dominicans promulgated the message of the Church and spread it by preaching the Church's teachings in towns and villages to stop the spread of alleged heresies, while the Inquisition investigated people who were accused of teaching heresies. Because of these efforts, all discernible traces of the Cathar movement were eradicated by the middle of the 14th century.

Westerners will do the same to us sooner or later, unless we destroy them first. The difference is that they want us to die so that they themselves can proliferate through space, whereas we want them to die so that we can avoid proliferating through space.

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Re: Progressive Yahwism
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2022, 05:09:12 pm »
Another Great Filter article:

https://us.yahoo.com/finance/news/together-avoid-great-filter-ends-231800865.html

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The “Great Filter” is a hypothetical disaster event that stops growing civilizations from reaching the stars and contacting other advanced civilizations.

The following comment reveals rightist support for progressive Yahwism:

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The current threats are: 1. Wokeness. 2. Feminism's low fertility rates. Third world fertility rates can't fix the problem because they will never build a space program.