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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2022, 08:36:42 pm »
A leftist mayor openly states that democracy impedes ethical decisionmaking:

https://rmx.news/article/mayor-pushes-great-replacement-project-in-rural-france-despite-citizen-protests-refuses-to-hold-citizen-referendum-on-accepting-migrant-families/

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A project designed to move 70 migrants and their families to the small rural French town of Callac is being fought by local residents. Despite calls for a referendum on the issue, the mayor refuses to hold such a referendum, conceding he would lose the vote if it were to take place.

During rival protests on Sept. 17, Callac Mayor Jean-Yves Rolland stated that he would address the constituents of Callac with a letter, which was released on Oct. 14. He said the letter would bring “the official version of our project in the face of rumors and misinformation,” the Le Télégramme daily reports.

In the letter, the mayor rejected a referendum. The move comes after Sud Radio reported that one person at a meeting with the mayor, which included 12 other eyewitnesses, heard the mayor admit he would not hold a referendum because some 80 percent of residents are against the measure. He reportedly said: “I would lose it.”

Therefore it should be clear to all who care about ethics that it is democracy which must be scrapped:

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In his letter, the mayor instead called for a “citizen governing body” to decide on the arrival of migrants.

“A citizen governance body is being created. This global project must be managed in complete transparency,” writes Rolland, arguing that “the new inhabitants are a chance for Callac, a small aging rural town,” with “many houses that remain empty” and “dozens of positions that remain to be filled.”

Democracy means listening to majority demos opinion like this:

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protesters held up signs against the “African repopulation of our cities”

Mayor Rolland gets it. Why do so many leftists not yet get it?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #121 on: November 09, 2022, 02:38:45 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?

https://rmx.news/article/majority-of-germans-have-big-worry-about-huge-migrant-influx/

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A new poll shows that despite Germany’s left-wing government pushing for more migrants, a majority of the public either rejects or strongly rejects higher levels of immigration.

Leftism should be about what is ethical, not what is popular with the demos.

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The German government has made a number of proposals not only designed to increase migrant numbers but also to speed up the citizenship process and provide a massive amnesty to illegal immigrants. These are all moves that will only further drive more people to enter the country by any means necessary, including through the service of human smugglers.

The German government is also pushing Italy’s new conservative government to accept all boat migrants from the various NGO vessels operating off the Italian coast.

Why should a government like this not rule autocratically (and moreover prohibit all opposed to amnesty from reproducing)?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #122 on: November 15, 2022, 08:45:14 pm »
This is the kind of result that democracy was designed to deliver:


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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #123 on: November 16, 2022, 05:58:21 pm »
https://rmx.news/france/two-thirds-of-french-want-stricter-immigration-policy-new-poll-shows/

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Nearly seven out of ten French people believe that the state should adopt a stricter policy regarding the reception of migrants, according to a poll by the CSA institute for CNEWS published on Tuesday.
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It is not the only poll showing the French opposed to mass immigration, with past polls consistently showing the vast majority of French want a halt to immigration.

Meanwhile:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/climate-refugees/msg16453/#msg16453

So do you really think democracy is the way to get climate refugees the help they need?

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #124 on: November 18, 2022, 07:58:50 pm »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/rising-tide-of-immigration-to-europe-pushing-continents-politics-to-the-right-experts-say-004400696.html

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“Europe is a very, very wealthy region. If we look at it globally, and particularly the EU, by the end of 2021, for example, less than 10% of the world’s refugees were living in the EU. So if we look at it globally, [taking in more refugees] is very much something that the EU could manage effectively and humanely.”

This is the straightforward truth. If government simply operated according to this accurate information, there would be no problems. Now enter democracy to mess everything up:

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However, Anna Knoll, head of migration and mobility at the European Centre for Development Policy Management, is concerned that humanitarian efforts are giving life to right-wing movements across the continent.

“You see countries like Sweden or Italy flipping more to the right side of the political spectrum,” Knoll told Yahoo News. “I think states are realizing they cannot afford having more refugees situated there or more irregular migrants coming in, because it does potentially push the voters more to the right. Obviously we try to balance this — we have principles, we have values and we are also a sanctuary for refugees. But we cannot allow everyone in.”

You could allow everyone in by rejecting democracy. Why does democracy matter more than helping refugees? More fundamentally, why should unethical opinions (no matter how popular) be listened to at all?

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“If everything comes together — more migrants, super-high energy prices, inflation hitting the roof — at some point I wonder how much the system can take before people say, ‘No, we don’t want this.’”

If they don't want this, they are also free to emigrate! That is what we should be telling them instead of capitulating to them! But False Leftists will never reach this obvious conclusion so long as they refuse to question democracy itself.
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #125 on: November 22, 2022, 09:28:25 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-majority-iranians-want-regime-175729420.html

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Study: Majority of Iranians want regime change as country's protests continue to grow

As protests against the Islamic regime in Iran continue, a new study by the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change found 84% of Iranians support regime change.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg16485/#msg16485

This is how inferior the majority of Iranians are. Let's use this opportunity to get Iran's population back down to the pre-colonial population:



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Over three-fourths polled consider religion unimportant in their lives, and they prefer a more secular life than the current theocratic one.

They are free to emigrate.


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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #126 on: December 11, 2022, 03:02:12 pm »
Even false leftists understand that moderation is required for a society to function, and that those most in need of moderation are rightists. Excerpt from How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them which discusses social media’s role in increasing civil and global tensions:

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It's not likely to be a coincidence that the global shift away from democracy universalism has tracked so closely with the advent of the internet, the introduction of smart phones, and the widespread use of social media. The age of information has opened up unmitigated, unregulated pathways to the spread of misinformation (which is erroneous) and disinformation (which is intentionally misleading). Charlatans, conspiracy theorists, trolls, demagogues, and anti-democratic tribalist agents who had previously been shut out of the media environment -- or at least had great difficulty gaining a mass audience -- suddenly gained traction. As social media penetrated countries and gained a larger share of people's attention, a clear pattern emerged: ethnic factions grew, social divisions widened, resentment at immigrants increased, bullying populists got elected, and violence began to increase. Open, unregulated social media platforms turned out to be the perfect accelerant for the conditions that lead to civil wars.

The author correctly points out that rightists had been mostly shut out of civil discourse until social media gave them a platform, allowing them to spread their message and gather their tribesmen, which in turn has created civil division and unrest. Their solution is the same as ours: moderating rightists. But rather than admitting the only way to moderate rightists is leftist dictatorship, they would rather blame autocrats for the mess democracy created:

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Before autocracy came about when military generals launched coups. But now it's being ushered in by the voters themselves.

Leftists must leave democracy in the dustbin of history where it belongs.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2022, 05:15:37 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?


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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #128 on: January 20, 2023, 09:18:31 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?

https://rmx.news/crime/majority-of-europeans-see-illegal-immigration-as-a-top-concern-facing-continent-and-want-to-preserve-christian-culture-poll-finds/

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An overwhelming majority of Europeans believe illegal immigration remains a key concern affecting the continent and consider Christian culture and traditions worthy of preservation, polling by a Hungarian think tank has revealed.

According to the 2022 Europe Project poll conducted by the Századvég Foundation based in Budapest, almost four in five respondents (78 percent) are concerned about the continuous influx of illegal immigrants into Europe, while a smaller majority of 56 percent think it’s important to preserve Europe’s Christian heritage.
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Countries with high levels of concern include those with the most progressive governments, including Sweden (78 percent), Germany (75 percent), France (73 percent), and the Netherlands (68 percent), according to the Századvég survey.

The divergence between progressivism and leftism is now also becoming ever clearer.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #129 on: February 08, 2023, 06:24:43 pm »
Still supporting democracy, leftists?

https://www.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/majority-believe-ireland-taken-in-too-many-refugees-as-president-higgins-condemns-hate/1579734788.html

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The poll found that most people (56pc) believe Ireland has taken in too many refugees in the past year, with 30pc disagreeing and 14pc unsure
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President Michael D Higgins has intervened in the immigration controversy, as a recent poll from Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks opinion poll finds a majority now believe the country has taken in too many refugees.

In an interview with this newspaper today, President Higgins describes as “unforgivable” those who are “sowing hate” over the location of refugee centres and says they “must be opposed”.

And the President also called for the country to be “filled with services” to counter the growing public opposition to such centres.

Is it not better for Higgins to be a dictator? As leftists, our aim is for policies to be ethical. If an ethical policy is unpopular, the problem is not the policy but those who oppose it.
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2023, 05:21:20 pm »
Some False Leftists think democracy is a countermeasure to corruption because the corrupt will be unpopular. In reality, corruption does not preclude long-term popularity so long as the corrupt are rightist:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/austrias-freedom-party-regains-national-momentum-96811353

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BERLIN -- Nearly four years ago, Austria’s populist far-right Freedom Party was ousted from the national coalition government over a major corruption scandal, and voters punished it at the ballot box.

But the party’s nearly double-digit gains in Sunday’s regional election in the province of Lower Austria confirmed a political trend on the national level. In recent months, the Freedom Party has regained its previous momentum — and, according to recent polls, is now the strongest party in the small Alpine nation.

In Lower Austria it won 24.2% of the vote, up 9.4 percentage points from the last state-level election in 2018. The conservative People’s Party, meanwhile, which leads the national government, lost its long-held absolute majority in the region and dropped 9.7 percentage points to 39.9%.

Nationally, the Freedom Party’s growth is even more pronounced. The party has led national polls since this fall, averaging around 27% in most surveys ahead of the center-left Social Democrats with around 25% and the People's Party at around 21%.
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“And then there’s the return of the migration issue, where the (Freedom Party) is also most favorably positioned to reap all the benefits.”
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #131 on: February 15, 2023, 03:12:41 pm »
Western democracy needs to be destroyed ASAP.
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #132 on: February 15, 2023, 05:01:46 pm »
A tyrant who arises out of aristocracy has no excuse for their tyranny. A tyrant who arises from democracy has many excuses for their tyranny, the most dangerous excuse being that their tyranny must be the will of the majority or else they would not have been elected into office in the first place. A tired and thoughtless majority can easily accept this excuse.

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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #133 on: February 18, 2023, 10:06:08 am »
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Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #134 on: February 18, 2023, 02:23:18 pm »
Would have been interesting to see what the commenter @last9 would have said had you asked him to explain how immigration is expensive to the host country? Immigrants pay taxes too in a functional nation. In truth, immigrants increase the tax base for a government and country.

Democracy is rule by a majority, not by "the people". @last9 seems to be confusing the idea of a government "for the people and by the people" with democracy. An authoritarian leader also comes "from the people" and maintains a government "for the people", not just the majority of people at any given time...

How does a piece of paper in a box, a constitution for example, protect anyone from anything? It doesn't, it's a piece of paper in a box, it cannot even defend itself.

True Leftists do not want people dead for having differing views, we simply want those who cannot do unto others as they would want done unto themselves to simply stop reproducing themselves.