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Freedom of Speech
« on: August 20, 2021, 09:55:54 pm »
Decided to finally create a thread about this topic because I keep seeing Westerners talk about it online, and especially in regards to Cancel Culture. It's getting really annoying as it seems most Westerners do not even understand the simplicest of concepts when it comes to "freedom of speech". This is the logic I use to try and figure out if in fact someone's speech has been banned or curtailed:

I picture a person standing on a box with a blow horn in his hand speaking to a crowd similar to this picture:


1. If I take the person's soap box away, have I curtailed their speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they wish and to whomever will listen.
2. If I take the person's megaphone away, have I curtailed their speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they wish and to whomever will listen, they will just have to use more energy to do so.
3. If I take the person's crowd away (cancel culture), have I banned their speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they wish, it's just that no one is listening anymore.
4. If I hold the person down and staple their lip's shut, have I banned their speech? No, I have only limited it. If the person still has both hands they can write, type, and perform sign language.
5. If I throw a person in prison for something they said and banned them from speaking or writing to anyone, have I banned their speech? Yes!
6. If I kill someone for something they said, have I banned their speech? Yes, I have!

I think a lot of human-beings these days confuse 'freedom of speech' with the 'I deserve to be heard' belief. I suspect if you asked most of these people why they feel like they deserve to be heard most of them would say something along the lines of, "because I'm a human-being and all people deserve to be heard!". That's about the gist of it all I think in regards to this topic, no?

I believe that most people's feeling of entitlement regarding speech these days stems from social media and the egalitarianism that it promotes.

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2021, 10:27:19 pm »
"1. If I take the person's soap box away, have I curtailed their speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they wish and to whomever will listen.
2. If I take the person's megaphone away, have I curtailed their speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they wish and to whomever will listen.
3. If I take the person's crowd away (cancel culture), have I banned their speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they wish, it's just that no one is listening anymore."

This formulation is confusing. Whose property is the soapbox/megaphone? In the case of social media platforms, it belongs to the business which lends it out, hence they can stop lending it to whomever they want whenever they want. But your wording above makes it sound like the speaker owns the soapbox/megaphone.

I understand Cancel Culture to mean taking away the soapbox/megaphone (owned by the business). I'm not sure what you mean by taking away the crowd separate from taking away the soapbox/megaphone. How? By kidnapping them? This just adds more confusion.

"4. If I hold the person down and staple their lip's shut, have I banned their speech? No, I have only limited it. If the person still has both hands they can write, type, and perform sign language."

This is also a confusing example.

"5. If I throw a person in prison for something they said and banned them from speaking or writing to anyone, have I banned their speech? Yes!
6. If I kill someone for something they said, have I banned their speech? Yes, I have!"

There is a difference between imprisoning or executing them in the middle of their speech so as to prevent them from finishing their speech, and imprisoning/executing them after they have finished their speech as consequences for its content. The former was despised in the ancient world, as it suggests fear of what might be said. The latter is part of statism in the ancient world. The monarch has a duty to hear anyone who wishes to speak; the speaker has a duty to show willingness to die for their cause. In some cases, even when the monarch does not request death but merely is unpersuaded by the speech, the speaker would commit suicide anyway in order to show conviction to their issue they just spoke about. This system thus automatically filters out trolls and other non-serious speakers, a feature that is utterly lacking today, hence leading to:


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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2021, 10:36:35 pm »
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This formulation is confusing. Whose property is the soapbox/megaphone? In the case of social media platforms, it belongs to the business which lends it out, hence they can stop lending it to whomever they want whenever they want. But your wording above makes it sound like the speaker owns the soapbox/megaphone.

I must have updated my post just as you posted. Yes, I'm referring primarily to social media. I'll make the rest a little clearer as well.

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I understand Cancel Culture to mean taking away the soapbox/megaphone (owned by the business). I'm not sure what you mean by taking away the crowd separate from taking away the soapbox/megaphone. How? By kidnapping them? This just adds more confusion.

In way of a successful boycott campaign on social media primarily, but would also work in real life.

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There is a difference between imprisoning or executing them in the middle of their speech so as to prevent them from finishing their speech, and imprisoning/executing them after they have finished their speech as consequences for its content. The former was despised in the ancient world, as it suggests fear of what might be said. The latter is part of statism in the ancient world. The monarch has a duty to hear anyone who wishes to speak; the speaker has a duty to show willingness to die for their cause. In some cases, even when the monarch does not request death but merely is unpersuaded by the speech, the speaker would commit suicide anyway in order to show conviction to their issue they just spoke about. This system thus automatically filters out trolls and other non-serious speakers, a feature that is utterly lacking today, hence leading to:


Excellent point! Had not even considered that and I should have such a long time ago. This also proves that not all people are equal, or could ever be! Great argument against the egalitarianism of social media as well.

On second thought I won't update my first post since your response is so on point.

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2022, 05:37:10 pm »

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2022, 06:41:10 pm »

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2023, 04:44:54 pm »
This is what actual free speech suppression looks like:

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2023, 04:48:24 pm »
Our enemies celebrate that it's OK for soccer players to be "white":

https://vdare.com/posts/heroines-rise-white-female-virginia-tech-soccer-player-awarded-100-000-for-refusing-to-kneel-to-black-lives-matter-terrorists

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A former Virginia Tech soccer player who alleges that her coach benched her after she refused to kneel before a game, is going to get a $100,000 settlement.

Kiersten Hening was a midfielder for the Virginia Tech women’s soccer team between 2018 and 2020. She alleges that the team’s head coach Charles “Chugger” Adair took away her starting spot after she refused to kneel for a pre-game “unity statement” ahead of a game against UVA in September 2020.
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She said that her political beliefs led to her coach berating her during halftime. Hening allegedly wagged his finger in her face and accused her of “bitching and moaning.” After the game, Hening claims that she was benched and pressured to leave the team.

The ex-Hokies midfielder claims that things got so out of hand that she did ultimately leave the team.

Hening filed a lawsuit in 2021 on the grounds that Adair had violated her First Amendment rights.

This is Trump-style reasoning ("Twitter banned me!"). She can choose to not kneel (expressing that she does not support BLM), and her coach can choose to cancel her for not kneeling (expressing that he does not want a non-BLM-supporter representing the team). This is two people successively applying the First Amendment. There is no problem here. Hening even looks like Trump:



But instead of going to court, Virginia Tech decided to be cowardly and pay her. What do our enemies think?

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When we win, a statue of her will be erected in Blacksburg, VA.

This is why our enemies must not be allowed to win.

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In the near future, the soccer stadium at Virginia Tech will be renamed in honor of Kiersten Hening.

In the near future we envision, she will have her legs sawn off at the knees.

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2023, 09:59:58 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-aggressiveness/msg14714/#msg14714

Rightists will never understand free speech:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative-commentator-sexually-harassed-aoc-010112154.html

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A conservative commentator who sexually harassed AOC is suing her for blocking him on Twitter
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Alex Stein, a commentator on TheBlazeTV, a media network founded by Glenn Beck, gained attention in June 2022 after he filmed himself yelling at Ocasio-Cortez, calling her his "favorite big booty Latina" and accusing her of wanting to "kill babies."

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Sexually harassing a woman and DEMANDING access to do more damage. Yep, that is a REAL CONSERVATIVE.

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Nobody has a right to be on a Twitter feed.  If a person wants to block somebody, they can. 

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It is her "personal account", she can block whoever she wants, especially this guy who insulted her publically... He is the bully and she is the victim and he dares to sue her...

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being block on any site is not an infringement of your free speech.

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Republicans have a weird sense of grandiose entitlement.

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Typical low life no class republican. Pulls a slimy stunt like that and then complains about it. I wish somebody would have blank slapped him right there on the steps.

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The only thing we should be doing with conservatives is putting them in their graves

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2023, 05:55:57 pm »
Russia doesn't understand free speech either:



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Have you seen the maga comments that "Fox firing Tucker is confirmation that Fox is now "woke".

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2023, 05:31:19 pm »

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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2023, 12:12:17 am »
The word of the day is "aspirational":


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Re: Freedom of Speech
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2023, 05:28:22 pm »

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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2023, 08:17:41 pm »
Israel wants to shutter Al Jazeera. Will it stop there?
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In the days after Hamas attacked Israel earlier this month, Shlomo Karhi, the country’s communications minister, did something that was guaranteed to catch the attention of the American press: he called out Donald Trump, who had just criticized various Israeli officials and described Hezbollah as “very smart.” It is “shameful that a man like that, a former US president, abets propaganda and disseminates things that wound the spirit of Israel’s fighters and its citizens,” Karhi said. “We don’t have to bother with him and the nonsense he spouts.”

A few days later, Karhi was in the news in Israel linked to similar language. But this time he and Trump would likely have agreed in principle: Haaretz, a liberal daily, reported that he was in the process of pushing through an aggressive clampdown on the news media. According to the story, Karhi wanted to be granted sweeping powers to arrest or confiscate the property of any civilians, including journalists, who spread information that in his view “undermines the morale of Israel’s soldiers and residents in the face of the enemy” or “serves as a basis for enemy propaganda”—including in cases where the information is true...
https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/israel_ban_al_jazeera_civil_liberties.php

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US: States Use Anti-Boycott Laws to Punish Responsible Businesses
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Laws Penalize Companies that Cut Ties With Israeli Settlements
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses

It's not OK to be against the Jewish State of Israel even if you do not live in Israel either, because Yahweh's world belongs to the Jews obviously and you must bow to the "chosen" people's desires no matter what, and at all times! Why do these "gentiles\goyim" still not understand this?

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Re: Freedom of Speech
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