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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2020, 11:08:17 pm »
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To be sure, humanity will eventually need to escape Earth to survive, since the sun will make the planet uninhabitable in about 1 billion years.

No. We should aim to have become extinct well before a billion years later. We would be colossal failures if after a billion years we still haven't managed to organize something so simple.

Seriously, why would we want to survive another 1000000000 years, let alone more?

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For example, the astrobiologist Milan Cirkovic calculates that some 1046 people per century could come into existence if we were to colonize our Local Supercluster, Virgo. This leads Nick Bostrom to argue that failing to colonize space would be tragic because it would mean that these potential “worthwhile lives” would never exist, and this would be morally bad.

There is no such thing as a worthwhile life. No life chooses to be born, therefore every life is a victim of initiated violence by being born.

By the way, that is 10^46. Only Tanakh nuts can think that enabling the initiated violence of 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 additional births per century is a good thing.

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2020, 06:02:38 pm »
More Western attitudes from china:
New York Post : China plants its flag on moon before return trip to Earth.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/04/china-plants-its-flag-on-moon-before-return-trip-to-earth/

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2021, 12:37:36 am »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-now-worlds-richest-203807260.html

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Elon Musk, crowned the world's richest person on Thursday, has grand plans for his roughly $188 billion net worth.

The CEO of Tesla and SpaceX plans to dedicate as much money as he can to colonizing Mars, and he's selling most of his material possessions in the process, the billionaire said last month in an interview with Mathias Döpfner, the CEO of Insider's parent company, Axel Springer.
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the billionaire also told Döpfner he was accumulating wealth not for material possessions but to eventually fund a colony on Mars.

"I think it is important for humanity to become a spacefaring civilization and a multiplanet species. And it's going to take a lot of resources to build a city on Mars," Musk said. "I want to be able to contribute as much as possible to the city on Mars. That means just a lot of capital."

To Musk, parting ways with his material possessions also signals that he's committed to going to Mars.
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The SpaceX founder has said he plans to send 1 million people to Mars by 2050 and build a fleet of 1,000 Starships to ferry them there. Musk aims to launch three of the 387-foot rockets SpaceX is developing for deep-space travel each day.



Who is willing to stop him?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/firearms/
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2021, 12:51:43 am »
Musk clearly wants to spread Trumps through the galaxy as much as possible, any intelligent civilization out there may not take too kindly to that idea....

Trump and Musk unite over Twitter, the moon and sticking it to the establishment
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The Silicon Valley environmentalist and the U.S. president who shunned the Paris climate agreement are forming a bond through Covid-19 and outer space.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/27/trump-musk-moon-space-283608

Trump and Musk both do weird **** with their lips... lol

STOP THESE WESTERN COLONIALISTS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2021, 05:59:24 pm »
Biden Plans to Keep Trump’s Space Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6tgp1Vr28

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2021, 09:51:38 pm »
Is NASA a waste of money?:
https://youtu.be/lARpY0nIQx0
(Hint: yes, it is, but the Westerner in the video won't tell you that)

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2021, 09:50:43 pm »
Western civilization is making A Nightmare on Elm Street real:

https://www.sciencealert.com/people-can-answer-questions-and-even-do-math-problems-when-asleep-study-shows

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Scientists Found a Way to Communicate With People Who Are Asleep And Dreaming
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"We found that individuals in REM sleep can interact with an experimenter and engage in real-time communication," says psychologist Ken Paller from Northwestern University.
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During the deepest stages of sleep, as monitored by electroencephalogram (EEG) instruments, scientists interacted with the study participants through spoken audio, flashing lights, and physical touch
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The individuals involved in the study were usually woken up after a successful response in order to get them to report on their dreams. In some cases, the external inputs were remembered as being outside or overlaid on the dream; in others, they came through something inside the dream (like a radio).

In the published study the researchers compare trying to communicate with lucid dreamers to trying to get in touch with an astronaut in space, and it's the immediacy of the responses that make this new approach so exciting.

The research could be helpful in the future study of dreams, memory, and how important sleep is for fixing memories in place. It might also come in useful in the treatment of sleeping disorders, and further down the line might even give us a way to train what we see in our dreams.

"These repeated observations of interactive dreaming, documented by four independent laboratory groups, demonstrate that phenomenological and cognitive characteristics of dreaming can be interrogated in real time," write the researchers in their paper.

"This relatively unexplored communication channel can enable a variety of practical applications and a new strategy for the empirical exploration of dreams."

Westerners just can't leave ANYTHING alone! Soon even the dream world will be Westernized! The only solution is to kill Western civilization first!
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2021, 12:16:08 am »
This is basically the movie "Inception"

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2021, 02:52:27 pm »

I don't see the old thread about plans to safely bring life to an end, so I'll post this here. I would like to make everyone fully aware of the space colonization Pandora's Boxes that are already being opened and need to be addressed during our lifetimes.

In 2019, Israelis launched the first private spacecraft to land on the moon. In addition to polluting the moon with Israeli flags and other identitarian iconography, they launched human DNA samples and micro-organisms called tardigrades.

Let me say that again, there are micro-organisms currently living on the moon. They may have been killed by solar radiation, but it is impossible to know.
https://www.wired.com/story/a-crashed-israeli-lunar-lander-spilled-tardigrades-on-the-moon/

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"When Israel's private lunar lander Beresheet crashed onto the lunar surface, it was carrying a box full of tardigrades—microscopic creatures that are the only known living thing capable of surviving the extreme vacuum of outer space.

And Nova Spivack, founder of the Arch Mission Foundation, who paid to have the tardigrades on the spacecraft, has now told Wired magazine that he believes they survived.

The tardigrades were part of a "lunar library" that Spivack's foundation had put together. According to Wired, the package was about the size of a DVD and contained human DNA—including Spivack's own—as well as 30 million pages of information on mankind's knowledge and thousands of dehydrated tardigrades.
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Arch Mission Foundation is a private non-profit that wants to develop a "backup of planet Earth" by "preserving the knowledge and biology of our planet in a solar system wide project called The Billion Year Archive," a statement from the company says.
https://www.newsweek.com/tardigrade-living-moon-israel-spaceship-crash-1452728

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"On board was a "lunar library" created by the Arch Mission Foundation as kind of time capsule for the combined knowledge of human civilization. The library contained samples of human DNA and 30 million pages of digital and analog data, including a full copy of Wikipedia, an Israeli flag, a Torah and a copy of the Israeli Declaration of Independence.
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NASA's Office of Planetary Protection (OPP) has established guidelines for how sterile planetary missions need to be. "Uncontrolled biological contamination of the Moon's surface is not scientifically ideal," said OPP director Dr. Lisa Pratt in a statement after the crash.

Other scientists were more upset: Astrobiologist Monica Vidaurri posted a Twitter thread in which she detailed the potential ramifications of letting private organizations dump whatever they want on the Moon's surface.

"Tardigrades on the Moon is not good," wrote Vidaurri, who works as a science consultant at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. "It is not exciting. It is not cute. It is the result of a major gap in accountability for planetary protection and ethics between public and private science, and we have no idea what can happen as a result."
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https://www.newsweek.com/tardigrades-moon-scientists-1454019

I think cremated remains are basically just charred carbon and don't really have ecoverable DNA. Nevertheless, Homo hubris is reaching the point where it can no longer be contained on Earth:

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"NASA sending human remains to the moon in summer 2021

People’s cremated ashes are to be sent to the Moon next year as part of a commercial burial service piggybacking on a NASA lunar mission.

Texas space memorial firm Celestis will provide more than a dozen capsules carrying human remains and DNA for the flight.

Dubbed Luna 2, the mission will launch on a July 2021 NASA flight to a region of the Moon called Lacus Mortis, Space.com reports.

To date, only one person – revolutionary planetary scientist Eugene Shoemaker – has been buried on the lunar surface.
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“The Celestis memorial capsules … will remain on the Moon as a permanent tribute to the intrepid souls who never stopped reaching for the stars,” the firm writes on its website.

“Each time you view the Moon you’ll know your loved one is in a place few have ever gone.”"
https://nypost.com/2020/11/18/nasa-sending-human-remains-to-the-moon-summer-2021/


This sounds like the DNA is completely extracted from cells and is not capable of reproducing on its own. Nevertheless, a very dangerous development. Note the usual suspects, Arch Mission and SpaceX.
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"How does my DNA get to the Moon?

Your DNA gets preserved in a capsule and launched on a rocket. The capsule, made by our partners at Arch Mission, shares a commercial lunar lander along with other payloads and NASA missions. The rocket launches into orbit and then does a few laps around the Earth to gain altitude before slinging the lander into a lunar capture orbit. Once the lander lands on the Moon, it stays there forever. Holding the capsule and you on the Moon forever.

The next mission launches on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket in the fourth quarter of 2021.
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What could my DNA be used for?

None of us will know. This capsule is designed for the far future. Perhaps it will be found by a future civilization and used recreate Earth as it is today. Our descendants could carry your code to the stars to seed a new world. We just won’t know. However, we believe it is worth saving our genetic blueprints for the future.

Why go on the LifeShip?

You get to go on a space mission and send a piece of you where few have been. You save your family’s genes for the future and leave a forever legacy among the stars. You'll look at the Moon for the rest of your life with a new sense of wonder. Your loved ones get a connection to you through the Moon."
https://lifeship.com/pages/faqs


Of course, astronauts already left literal **** on the moon, which is teeming with bacterial life:
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"But the bigger human footprint on the moon is, arguably, the 96 bags of human waste left behind by the six Apollo missions that landed there.

Yes, our brave astronauts took dumps on their way to the moon, perhaps even on the moon, and they left behind their diapers in baggies, on humanity’s doorstep to the greater cosmos.

The bags have lingered there, and no one knows what has become of them. Now scientists want to go back, and answer a question that has profound implications for our future explorations of Mars: Is anything alive in them?
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With the Apollo 11 moon landing, we took microbial life on Earth to the most extreme environment it has ever been in. Which means the human feces — along with bags of urine, food waste, vomit, and other waste in the bags, which also might contain microbial life — on the moon represents a natural, though unintended, experiment.

The question the experiment will answer: How resilient is life in the face of the brutal environment of the moon? And for that matter, if microbes can survive on the moon, can they survive interstellar travel, making them capable of seeding life across the universe, including on places like Mars?
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Apollo 16 astronaut Charlie Duke spent 71 hours on the moon in 1972. On a recent phone call, he confirmed that the crew left human waste behind.
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Even so, he says, they threw out the garbage thinking everything would be sanitized by the solar radiation. “I’d be really really surprised if anything survived,” he says. Plus, taking it back with them wasn’t really an option."
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/3/22/18236125/apollo-moon-poop-mars-science


5 spacecraft have already left the solar system. It may be too late to retrieve them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_objects_leaving_the_Solar_System

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record


Trump established funding for the Artemis program, which is set to put more humans on the moon in 2024 and establish a semi-permanent Moon base by the end of the decade, to serve as a research camp for future Mars missions.
https://www.space.com/nasa-plans-artemis-moon-base-beyond-2024.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program#Artemis_Base_Camp


And I'm sure you've heard of Elon Musk's obsession with colonizing Mars. We're at the point where billionaires can launch cars and junk into space for fun and are at real risk of doing whatever the hell they want in space...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk%27s_Tesla_Roadster

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SpaceX Mars program is a development program initiated by Elon Musk and SpaceX in order to facilitate the eventual colonization of Mars. The program includes fully reusable launch vehicles, human-rated spacecraft, on-orbit propellant tankers, rapid-turnaround launch/landing mounts, and local production of rocket fuel on Mars via in situ resource utilization (ISRU). SpaceX's aspirational goal has been to land the first humans on Mars by 2024,[1][2] but in October 2020 Elon Musk named 2024 as goal for an uncrewed mission.[3] At the Axel Springer Award 2020 Elon Musk said that he is highly confident that the first crewed flights to Mars will happen in 2026.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Mars_program


And this isn't even considering all the space colonization ideas that haven't yet left the drawing board. Some are very dangerous and would be able to accelerate spacecraft at speeds much higher than Voyager. I've read plans where people want to basically put a packet of cells/DNA into a very small container and then accelerate it into deep space using this laser method.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2021, 09:47:06 pm »
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thousands of dehydrated tardigrades

Who, it goes without saying, never gave consent.

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Arch Mission Foundation is a private non-profit that wants to develop a "backup of planet Earth" by "preserving the knowledge and biology of our planet in a solar system wide project called The Billion Year Archive,"

It doesn't get more Demiurgic than this. If they send these backups into outer space, they have in effect already forced us to travel into outer space to chase them down! And if we have to develop the more advanced machines required to catch up with them, it means others can use the same machines to travel further out but with expansive intentions in mind! So then we will have to chase those guys down, which will require even more advanced machines which in turn could also be used for expansion! And so on. This is how the Demiurge keeps us trapped over and over again.

"And I'm sure you've heard of Elon Musk's obsession with colonizing Mars."

See earlier posts in this topic.

"I've read plans where people want to basically put a packet of cells/DNA into a very small container and then accelerate it into deep space using this laser method."



Nothing is new.
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I forgot to elaborate on the dangers of photon propulsion. If some private individual or group with access to this type of technology decides to just launch something like this for fun, it's not like any punishment on Earth will be able to rectify the damage. It will be far too late to contain the damage.

(For reference, it takes around 7-9 months to get to Mars using current technology).
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Powerful Laser Could Blast Spacecraft to Mars in 3 Days (Video)
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It sounds like science fiction, but it's eminently possible, researchers say: Robotic spacecraft could get to Mars after a journey of just three days.

The key to making this happen is photon propulsion, which would use a powerful laser to accelerate spacecraft to relativistic speeds, said Philip Lubin, a physics professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
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This method could propel a 220-lb. (100 kilograms) robotic craft to Mars in just three days, Lubin said. A crewed vehicle would take a bit longer to get to the Red Planet — maybe a month or so, he said.

Ultimately, Lubin would like to use the technology to send small probes into interstellar space.

"Within about 25 light-years of the Earth, there are actually quite a few potential exoplanets and habitable things to visit," Lubin said at the NIAC symposium. "There are many targets to choose from."
https://www.space.com/32026-photon-propulsion-mars-three-days.html

Of course, then we have "space tourism":

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Japanese billionaire to fly eight members of the public on SpaceX moon flight

Japanese billionaire Yusaku Maezawa announced on Tuesday that he will choose eight members of the public to join him on a trip around the moon, scheduled to fly on SpaceX’s Starship rocket in 2023.

“I’m inviting you to join me on this mission,” Maezawa said in a video.

Maezawa, who announced the mission in September 2018 alongside SpaceX founder Elon Musk, said that the plan has evolved from flying artists on a trip to lunar orbit.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/yusaku-maezawa-opens-up-public-seats-on-spacex-starship-moon-flight.html


How many dystopian science fiction films and novels warn us about elites who have access to such technology in order to fly to utopian colonies while the rest of humanity and non-human life act as slaves to sustain the lifestyles of the techno-elites?

But Western civilization junkies are actually inspired by these types of fictional stories and want to bring them into reality!!! Again, if Elon Musk, who possesses launch bases for spacecraft and the actual rockets themselves, decides to just go off into space and do whatever evil he wants, who is going to stop him? The US government actually gives him contracts to develop his spacecraft, since it is more profitable to outsource everything to the "private sector". In the processes, this has given private individuals possession of technology even more dangerous than nuclear weaponry.


Also, Elon Musk spends a lot of money on PR to make it seem like he's a cool guy or whatever. Of course, it should be no surprise to us that he comes from a family who owned an apartheid emerald mine:
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/how-elon-musks-family-came-to-own-an-emerald-mine-2018-2
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/elon-musk-sells-the-family-emeralds-in-new-york-2018-2

Unfortunately, he and people like him have spent so much money on pro-space propaganda that even anti-Musk people still praise space colonization, rather than stop and reflect on the consistently ignoble character of the types of people who are promoting space colonization....
https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/lqbr2t/congratulations_nasa_for_landing_their_5th_rover/

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Another Starship flight from Musk's SpaceX:
https://youtu.be/ODY6JWzS8WU

This is getting out of hand...

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End of Ageing and Cancer? Scientists Unveil Structure of the ‘Immortality’ Enzyme Telomerase
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Detailed images of the anti-ageing enzyme telomerase are a drug designer’s dream.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/end-of-ageing-and-cancer-scientists-unveil-structure-of-the-immortality-enzyme-telomerase?utm_source=pocket-newtab

In other words, if Western civilization doesn't die soon Trump and his supporters could become immortal, unless of course they catch a bullet to the head. This will make rightists even more 'survivalism' oriented than they all ready are. Then the drones are really going to start being mass produced. No immortal will bother risking their immortality in battle when they can just sit at a computer desk and kill people with impunity with the simple push of a button.

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World's first space hotel scheduled to open in 2027:
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/voyager-station-space-hotel-scn/index.html

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Some good news on this topic for once:
SpaceX Rocket Nails Landing...Then Explodes
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SpaceX's rocket, Starship SN10, appeared to finally complete its first upright landing, before a spectacularly exploding on the launch pad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mKxgCBeq_Y