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"This is why I am at present pessimistic (though I would love to be wrong) about the effectiveness of persuading enough people to conscientiously stop the development of machines. For now, I believe the only way to be sure is to use demographic shift to make humanity as a whole incapable of developing machines."

To be clear, you are referring to Aryanization, and not just Demographic Blueshift, correct?

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Aryans would be the ones who conscientiously refuse to develop machines even if they had the ability to do so. I am almost certain Aryanization will not occur fast enough to prevent Kurzweil's plan (see first post in this topic). A more realistic demographic hope - one that can occur fast enough - is for society to lose the technical proficiency required to implement Kurzweil's plan.


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"is for society to lose the technical proficiency required to implement Kurzweil's plan"
So if Demographic Blueshift selects for lower technical proficiency but not necessarily Aryan traits, then wouldn't Western Civilization still have a chance of surviving? Recall that many "non-Whites" in Western countries with low technical proficiency still uphold Western Civilization in many ways, chiefly via reproductive Eurocentrism.

Or is it just that in your estimation, dealing with a problem such as reproductive Eurocentrism is far easier without the existence of advanced machinery, and hence the machine makers should be targeted first?
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"if Demographic Blueshift selects for lower technical proficiency"

I'm not even sure that it does directly. But the Woke reforms in education (which are driven by it) might help somewhat. Most importantly, however, Demographic Blueshift allows the US military to be used against Israel. Just destroying Israel would lower technical proficiency to a greater degree than any other realistic single action we could take.

"wouldn't Western Civilization still have a chance of surviving?"

It would.

"Recall that many "non-Whites" in Western countries with low technical proficiency still uphold Western Civilization in many ways, chiefly via reproductive Eurocentrism."

I agree. And in non-Western countries too!

"Or is it just that in your estimation, dealing with a problem such as reproductive Eurocentrism is far easier without the existence of advanced machinery, and hence the machine makers should be targeted first?"

This.


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"I'm not even sure that it does directly. But the Woke reforms in education (which are driven by it) might help somewhat. Most importantly, however, Demographic Blueshift allows the US military to be used against Israel. Just destroying Israel would lower technical proficiency to a greater degree than any other realistic single action we could take."

So if lowering technically proficiency is not necessarily contingent on Demographic Blueshift selecting for the trait, then in that case, would you agree that we shouldn't necessarily encourage an immigration policy that actively selects for low technical proficiency per se?

The ignoble immigrants with low technical proficiency, for example, will view other "non-Whites" with high technical proficiency as their competitors and will fight with them. Ignoble "Blacks" for example, would view all "Asians" (who may or may not be ignoble) as evil for occupying major positions in the high-tech sector in disproportionately high numbers relative to their population, due to the fact that immigrants of low-technical proficiency now outnumber immigrants of high technical proficiency. While this problem already exists to a certain extent, actively selecting for low technical proficiency would exacerbate it.

In turn, this will allow "Whites" to point the finger at "Asians" and away from themselves (and Jews), in effect nullifying any chances of destroying Israel. Not only that, but the ignoble "Blacks" will become more open to embracing high technical proficiency as the "Whites" can now convince them the development of more machines is in their (Eurocentric) reproductive interest!

Indeed, we find that by actively selecting for low-technical proficiency, the average technical proficiency might actually end up being raised in the process!

Contrast this to an immigration policy that neither actively selects for nor actively discriminates against low technical proficiency but which instead simply selects for non-Westerners broadly, thus balancing out the number of migrants from each ethnicity, thereby precluding (or at the very least mitigating the possibility of) inter-ethnic conflict between "non-Whites".
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"would you agree that we shouldn't necessarily encourage an immigration policy that actively selects for low technical proficiency per se?"

I agree.

"occupying major positions in the high-tech sector in disproportionately high numbers relative to their population, due to the fact that immigrants of low-technical proficiency now outnumber immigrants of high technical proficiency."

I have always opposed quota hiring. I believe the correct solution is not for the state to demand private businesses hire proportionately, but for the state to eliminate from the economy altogether those sectors (such as the high-tech sector) which hire disproportionately according to measures such as IQ test scores. We already saw a prelude to this happening in education:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/academic-decolonization/msg3000/#msg3000

so I believe it can be made to happen in business also if leftists play our cards well. Just as such subjects were never meant to exist, neither were such jobs. It was Western civilization alone which brought them into existence, and it is time this mistake ceases to be perpetuated.

"ignoble "Blacks" will become more open to embracing high technical proficiency as the "Whites" can now convince them the development of more machines is in their (Eurocentric) reproductive interest!"

I know:

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US vs China space exploration dick measuring contest:

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One step closer to the all-seeing eye of Yahweh:

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Amazon’s Ring is the largest civilian surveillance network the US has ever seen
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One in 10 US police departments can now access videos from millions of privately owned home security cameras without a warrant
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In a 2020 letter to management, Max Eliaser, an Amazon software engineer, said Ring is “simply not compatible with a free society”. We should take his claim seriously.
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Ring’s pervasive network of cameras expands the dragnet of everyday pre-emptive surveillance – a dragnet that surveils anyone who passes into its gaze, whether a suspect in a crime or not. Although the dragnet indiscriminately captures everyone, including children, there are obvious racial, gendered and class-based inequities when it comes to who is targeted and labelled as “out of place” in residential space. Rahim Kurwa, a professor of criminology, law and justice at the University of Illinois at Chicago, argues that neighborhood surveillance platforms such as Neighbors perpetuate a much longer history of the policing of race in residential space.

The concerns of activists and scholars have been compounded by developments in facial recognition technology and other forms of machine learning that could be conceivably applied to Ring recorded content and live feeds. Facial recognition technology has been denounced by AI researchers and civil rights groups for its racial and gendered biases. Although Ring doesn’t currently use facial recognition in its cameras, Amazon has sold this technology to police in the past. Following pressure from AI researchers and civil rights groups, Amazon placed a one-year pause on police use of its controversial facial recognition technology, but this moratorium will expire in June.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/18/amazon-ring-largest-civilian-surveillance-network-us

Meanwhile, Western civilization junkies complain all the time about surveillance technology used in China, without ever stopping to think (1) the same--if not more massive--surveillance networks exist in the US, UK, and other Western nations and (2) this type of dystopian spying wouldn't even have been possible without Western civilization!

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Unfortunately, even those who acknowledge (1) mostly seem to be unwilling to acknowledge (2) also..
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And how has technology advanced since the moon landing?

Scientists can watch thoughts travel inside a brain:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/video-see-a-thought-move-through-a-living-fishs-brain-9223326/

Elon Musk has been implanting chips into the brains of monkeys and pigs to monitor their thoughts, and has plans to do it to humans in the future.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-s-neuralink-implanted-a-chip-into-a-monkey-s-brain-and-now-he-can-play-video-games-using-his-mind/ar-BB1di71k
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg5431/#msg5431

Every day we come closer to creating sentient AI. (There are even tech companies naming themselves "Skynet" because they think it's cool and want to speed up the process! Not even mentioning the transhumanist movement.)

Billionaires can launch anything they want into space and are leading the movement to colonize Mars.

Already private corporations have polluted the moon with lifeforms from Earth, and others have come up with ideas on how to send DNA and microorganisms deep into another solar system/galaxy in order to colonize it.
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg4502/#msg4502

Genetic modification technology which already exists will allow scientists or nations to completely eliminate any noble personality traits and replace them with completely slavish ones (once the genes determining various personality traits become discovered).

We are basically living within the Matrix, as governments and tech companies have access to everything we've ever done on the internet and can use that information to manipulate and profit off of people. People carry a GPS tracker on them at all times (phones) and in larger cities, are constantly on camera (and some cities are under constant watch by high resolution surveillance satellites, if I recall correctly).

Population will have increased from under 4 billion in 1969 (the Moon landing) to 8 billion in 2023. It will be almost 9 billion by 2035 (66 years after the Moon landing). (****, I remember learning in school about how 6 billion was such a huge milestone). Due to the increased demand for manufacturing and grazing land for cattle to sustain this doubled population, pollution has reached insane levels. More humans are enslaved today than at any point in history, and more animals are enslaved today than at any point in history.

Microplastics are in every part of the environment and are inside every living organism. A plastic bag has even been discovered in the Mariana Trench, the deepest part of the oceans.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48230157

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It keeps going on:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/baby-squid-water-bears-set-140315832.html

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NASA's next trip to the International Space Station this week will include a few extra passengers than usual - more than 5,000 microscopic creatures being used to investigate the impact of zero gravity and long-term space travel on the human body.

The special cargo, which will be on board SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket, will comprise 128 glow-in-the-dark bobtail squid and 5,000 tardigrades - tiny creatures known as "water bears" because they resemble the animals under a microscope.

Tardigrades are useful for research because they are virtually indestructible.

"Some of the things that tardigrades can survive include being dried out, being frozen and being heated up past the boiling point of water," said Thomas Boothby, assistant professor of molecular biology at the University of Wyoming who is leading the experiment.

They can survive thousands of times as much radiation as we can and they can go for days or weeks with little or no oxygen.

"They've been shown to survive and reproduce during spaceflight, and can even survive prolonged exposure to the vacuum of outer space."

Scientists hope the lessons learned from the water bears' resilience can be applied to astronauts.

The tardigrades will be joined by a separate consignment of 128 baby bobtail squid, which are being sent to the station by the University of Florida.

They are part of an experiment designed to focus on how microbes, which are vital for a healthy digestive system, react with human tissue in space.

Bobtail squid, which are only three millimetres long, glow in the dark, making it easier for scientists to track the impact of bacteria on the body.

"Animals, including humans, rely on our microbes to maintain a healthy digestive and immune system," said Jaimie Foster, who is conducting the experiment.

And this is how Westerners repay them!

In other news:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ceo-elon-musk-says-spacex-101158606.html

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SpaceX CEO Elon Musk on Saturday said his company had the capability to produce a Raptor rocket engine every 48 hours.

"Raptor production is approaching one every 48 hours," Musk said on Twitter.

The interplanetary transport engines, announced in 2016 and capable of generating 500,000 pounds of thrust, are key to SpaceX's plans to help NASA return to the moon, then head further out to Mars.

The same needs to be done to SpaceX as was done to Tesla:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/msg6767/#msg6767
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https://us.yahoo.com/news/nasa-administrator-bill-nelson-optimisitic-195356664.html

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NASA chief Bill Nelson optimistic about space exploration as private sector, government combine efforts
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the former Democratic U.S. senator from Florida touted advancements in commercial spaceflight, noting that the way NASA operates has "already changed" because of companies like Elon Musk's SpaceX and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin.
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While progress has been made in the commercial sector by partnering with NASA, billionaire leaders like Musk and Bezos have their own ideas as well.

Recently, Musk has told reporters about his goal to make the human race a "multi-planetary species."
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"And so, as we continue to expand out, not only with our telescopes, not only listening for any sign of intelligent message, not only with human exploration further out added to our robotic exploration, this is fulfilling our destiny as an American people. Our character, in our DNA, is that we are always pressing a frontier," said Nelson.

That is the character of Westerners, not of Americans.

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"We have over 18 countries that are participating with us on the International Space Station. Russia built the station with us. I want Russia to continue what has been an incredible cooperation in space between two countries that, on the ground, are often butting heads," he said

See?

About Nelson:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nelson

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Nelson voted for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 authorizing military action against Iraq.[108]
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In September 2016, in advance of a UN Security Council resolution 2334 condemning Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories, Nelson signed an AIPAC-sponsored letter urging President Barack Obama to veto "one-sided" resolutions against Israel.[110]

In March 2017, Nelson co-sponsored the Israel Anti-Boycott Act, Senate Bill 720, which permits U.S. states to enact laws that would require contractors to sign a pledge saying that they would not boycott any goods from Israel, or their contracts would be terminated[111]

In December 2017, Nelson supported President Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.[112]
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In April 2017, Nelson called for tougher economic sanctions against Venezuela, which he called an "economic basket case."[113]

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https://www.businessinsider.com/discovery-channel-who-wants-to-be-an-astronaut-democratise-space-2021-6

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Discovery Channel's reality show 'Who Wants to Be An Astronaut?' will send the winner to the ISS. Producers hope it will show that space travel can be made accessible to ordinary people.

And we used to think Trump's reality show The Apprentice was degenerate enough.....

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"Every person on this planet has always dreamt of touching the stars and it's now a reality and in our lifetime, it's feasible. This show is that first step to bringing that everyday person to making that dream a reality," Lewers added.

No, ONLY WESTERNERS DREAM ABOUT SPACE TRAVEL! In an alternate universe where Western civilization had never existed, I guarantee no one would be dreaming about this, let alone actually doing it.

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I have never ever dreamed of "touching the stars" or space travel, lol! And, I even watch sci-fi movies on occasion, but probably only because I like seeing human-beings get effed up by "monsters". Probably the same reason I enjoy the occasional horror film.... 

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Meanwhile, Westerners are already dreaming about space sex:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/humans-reproduce-mars-because-sperm-150517148.html

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As The Daily Mail reports, researchers had believed radiation in space would destroy human DNA and make breeding impossible. Cancer caused by the radiation was another concern.

But after six years, scientists found that the mouse sperm stored on the space station was still healthy.

They also exposed it to X-rays on Earth and discovered it did not affect fertility.

One of the study's authors, Professor Sayaka Wakayama, of Japan's University of Yamanashi, told The Daily Mail: "Many genetically normal offspring were obtained. These discoveries are essential for mankind to progress into the space age."

"When the time comes to migrate to other planets, we will need to maintain the diversity of genetic resources, not only for humans but also for pets and domestic animals," he added.

Note the tone (in bold) as if the matter has already been settled. It has not. We will stop at nothing to prevent Elon's Ark (which is what this is - see previous posts) from ever occurring!