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So merely eliminating the reproductive potential (gametes) of our enemies is not enough; our enemies can still clone themselves using somatic cells. And eliminating cloning ability requires eliminating our enemies for good, which will be harder if our enemies develop life extension technology. And even then, the sentient machines developed by our enemies can simply extract the DNA and pick up where our enmies left off...

I am losing hope in Western Civilization dying within my lifetime day by day...
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Continuing from my earlier post, even if we are able to eliminate the DNA of our enemies, along with eliminating those with the capability to synthesize such DNA (i.e. sentient machines), the Demiurge can still create our enemies from scratch, by creating environments that are conducive to the chemical formation of organic compounds (e.g. DNA). After all, this was most likely how life itself began in the first place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

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In evolutionary biology, abiogenesis, or informally the origin of life (OoL),[3][4][5][a] is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds.[6][4][7][8] While the details of this process are still unknown, the prevailing scientific hypothesis is that the transition from non-living to living entities was not a single event, but an evolutionary process of increasing complexity that involved molecular self-replication, self-assembly, autocatalysis, and the emergence of cell membranes.[9][10][11] Although the occurrence of abiogenesis is uncontroversial among scientists, its possible mechanisms are poorly understood. There are several principles and hypotheses for how abiogenesis could have occurred.[12]



What is the solution to this then?

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What is the solution to this then?

Well, according to Heidegger:


Either that, or win the war of ideas. Winning the war of ideas is possible for a small committed group lest we forget:


 

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Keith Gottesdiener (Jew) and David Schenkein (Jew) of Google Ventures discuss gene editing:
https://youtu.be/GYQIU5pyjtw


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Plumbing system of SpaceX booster rocket:


The very sight of complex machinery fills me with disgust. Imagine how much energy was expended in manufacturing such a monstrosity. In fact, seeing such complex machinery itself was enough to frighten me as a child, and I am still traumatized by such experiences.
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Family and technology. Such a dangerous combination in the hands of Western Civiliation. (Note that the scientist is "black", demonstrating Western Civilization is not only a danger in the hands of "whites").

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Joining the ranks of movie inventors like Doc Brown of "Back to the Future" are a few real-life scientists currently trying to realize the dream of turning back the clock to travel to the ultimate destination.

Among them is Ron Mallett, an astrophysicist who has dedicated much of his adult life to the notion that time travel is possible. He's come up with the scientific equations and principles upon which he says a time machine could be created.

While acknowledging that his theories and designs are unlikely to allow time travel in his lifetime, for years he's been working in parallel to a respected academic career to fulfill his dream of venturing back in time to see his beloved father again.

Mallett was aged 10 when his father died suddenly, of a heart attack, an event that the scientist says changed the track of his life forever.
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/time-travel-ron-mallett-scn/index.html


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What is the solution to this then?

My understanding is that as the universe gets older, there will be fewer planets and solar systems which have the conditions necessary for abiogenesis.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2021, 02:13:13 am »
The idea of travelling back in time is appealing to people across the ideological spectrum (including myself!). Many of us deeply regret failing to do some things correctly in our own pasts. The wish to travel back in time and rectify our mistakes springs from this regret (whereas it is those with a dull sense of guilt who can be expected to have little interest in this). On a larger scale, anti-progressives wish the world never progressed to its present conditions, hence dream of turning time backwards so that all the additional violence etc. resulting from progress could have never happened. Gnostics in particular see turning time backwards as one potential solution to material existence. So it's important not to convey the impression that we are against time travel in general. When we do oppose time travel is when it is motivated not by nostalgia but by desire for exploration.

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Mallett stumbled across an illustrated version of the classic sci-fi novel "The Time Machine."

The H. G. Wells version of time travel is of course motivated by the latter, as the main character travels forwards in time rather than backwards. Travelling backwards in time could also be motivated by desire for exploration if done in such a way as to deliberately reach destinations in the past but beyond those which we experienced the first time round.

In Mallett's own case, I would say he is primarily motivated by nostalgia. What we might think about the content of his nostalgia is a separate issue. The main problem is not that he himself wants to travel back in time, but that he wants to do so by inventing a machine that would also enable potentially anyone else (hence including those who desire to do time exploration) to travel in time also. This applies to machines in general: once invented, potentially anyone can use it, frequently for objectives we never imagined. So it is not time travel we are against, but time travel machines.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2021, 12:58:52 pm »
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Family and technology.

If I'm not mistaken Ray Kurzweil (Jew) of "Transhumanism" fame also pursues Transhumanism because he misses his farther, atleast from my understanding that is one of his highest driving motivators.

Note also about time travel: Isn't it funny how many Westerners use the "We could stop Hitler from being born" statement when speaking of time-travel? It always amazes me what Westerners believe is "evil" and what they believe is "good". In a sane world everyone would easily see how ass-backwards Judeo-Westerners really are.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #84 on: August 10, 2021, 06:06:29 pm »
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In Mallett's own case, I would say he is primarily motivated by nostalgia. What we might think about the content of his nostalgia is a separate issue. The main problem is not that he himself wants to travel back in time, but that he wants to do so by inventing a machine that would also enable potentially anyone else (hence including those who desire to do time exploration) to travel in time also. This applies to machines in general: once invented, potentially anyone can use it, frequently for objectives we never imagined. So it is not time travel we are against, but time travel machines.

That is a fair enough distinction.

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Note also about time travel: Isn't it funny how many Westerners use the "We could stop Hitler from being born" statement when speaking of time-travel?

Ironically, a common trope is that removing Hitler makes the timeline worse, and the "heroes" have to go back further in time to prevent themselves from killing him in order to undo all the chaos...

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On a different note, Western Civilization has figured out how to brainwash individuals before they're even born:

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As a newborn mammal opens its eyes for the first time, it can already make visual sense of the world around it. But how does this happen before they have experienced sight?

A new Yale study suggests that, in a sense, mammals dream about the world they are about to experience before they are even born.
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“This early dream-like activity makes evolutionary sense because it allows a mouse to anticipate what it will experience after opening its eyes, and be prepared to respond immediately to environmental threats,” Crair noted.

Going further, the Yale team also investigated the cells and circuits responsible for propagating the retinal waves that mimic forward motion in neonatal mice. They found that blocking the function of starburst amacrine cells, which are cells in the retina that release neurotransmitters, prevents the waves from flowing in the direction that mimics forward motion. This in turn impairs the development of the mouse’s ability to respond to visual motion after birth.
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“These brain circuits are self-organized at birth and some of the early teaching is already done,” Crair said. “It’s like dreaming about what you are going to see before you even open your eyes.”
https://news.yale.edu/2021/07/22/eyes-wide-shut-how-newborn-mammals-dream-world-theyre-entering

This experiment was done on newborn mice, but it opens the door for attempting similar torture being done before they are born.

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« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2021, 12:45:26 pm »
Lab-made mini brains grow their own sets of 'eyes'
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The 'eyes' are the precursors to the retina.
https://www.livescience.com/brain-organoid-optic-eyes.html

I grew up understanding the saying: "Just because you can do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should!".

If Westerners can do something, they will. Regardless of the consequences further down the road. That's "progress" after-all....



Westerners will be frying these up and eating them soon enough I'm sure.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #86 on: August 27, 2021, 03:35:11 pm »
Which nations are going to have access to immortality technology? And what sort of individuals within those nations will seek it out and be able to afford it?

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Sergey Young turns away from the screen, lost in thought for a second, then gesticulates enthusiastically. “I’m not looking for immortality, you know, I’m happy with living 200 years, Realising all my dreams.” It sounds good to me too. He’s 49. I’m 46. Do we really have another 150-odd years to go?

“I do sincerely believe,” he says in English accented by both the Russia of his birth and of New York, where he works, “that, 20 years from now, the biggest obstacle for us living longer is not going to be science – it’s gonna be ethics, regulation.” He’s talking about the rules we will have to put in place to cope with us all pottering about for centuries – how such lifespans will affect population, sustainability, the environment... indeed, how it will change the very essence of what it means to be human.

Big thoughts, and we’re only a few minutes into our Zoom call. Young, a venture capitalist who runs the Longevity Vision Fund, which invests in health-tech companies promising to defeat ageing, teems with them. Ideas which occupy others for lifetimes detain him for moments – Big data! AI! Quantum computing! Gene editing! The microbiome! “I’m an optimistic, idealistic guy,” he says, optimistically and idealistically.
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As he waves his arms, another possible reason for his youthful demeanour becomes clear: he is plastered in wearable devices – smart watches and rings which track his heart rate and sleep patterns. “I just took out my continuous glucose monitor.” His latest health check-up was just a couple of months ago. “I didn’t even have the colonoscopy,” he says, deadly serious. “The combination of full-body MRI and colo guard [an at-home colon cancer screening kit] was enough…”
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Gene editing, organ regeneration and what he calls “longevity in a pill” are his other great hopes. The first of these, too, is here today. A renegade Chinese scientist has already created the first gene-edited humans – twins born in 2018 whose DNA was tweaked to confer resistance to HIV.
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 “If we want to help people to fight Alzheimer’s or neurodegenerative diseases,” he says, “integration between human brain and computer is the only way to solve it.” He talks of Elon Musk, whose company Neuralink is working on just such a “brain-machine interface” with the goal of enabling people with paralysis to directly use their neural activity to operate digital devices. He mentions digital representations of the elderly – “avatars” – which could continue, compos mentis, as the physical person’s dementia deteriorates, or even live on after they die.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/would-really-like-live-200/


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Digitisation, human-robot fusions, what he calls “a fundamental redefinition of humans” – these are Young’s routes to ultra-long life, or even to immortality. “Perhaps in your lifetime,” he writes, “it will become quite commonplace to have healthy 150-year-olds. By 2100… your grandchildren may very well be born with no expectation of ever dying.

If Western Civilization does not die soon, we will have eternal slavery.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2021, 11:31:13 am »
The real ethical dilemma isn't that this is being done to human embryos, it's the double standard that non-humans can be tortured and killed in experiments at any stage of their life...

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What’s next for lab-grown human embryos?

Researchers are now permitted to grow human embryos in the lab for longer than 14 days. Here’s what they could learn.
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In May, the International Society for Stem Cell Research (ISSCR) released new guidelines1 that relaxed the 14-day rule, taking away the hard barrier. Although only a few labs around the world have perfected the techniques needed to culture human embryos up to day 14, the science is advancing rapidly. The relaxed rule allows lab groups, in countries where it is legal, to apply to the regulators for permission to continue research past 14 days. Such studies could reveal what happens during human development after the embryo would normally have implanted in the uterus, about a week after fertilization. It then goes through a stage called gastrulation, roughly between days 14 and 22, when the body’s main pattern emerges and the foundations are laid for organ generation.

Cracking open a window on these later stages would allow scientists to better understand the nearly one-third of pregnancy losses and numerous congenital birth defects thought to occur at these points in development. In addition, these stages hold clues to how cells differentiate into tissues and organs, which could boost regenerative medicine.

Most researchers expect that Brivanlou’s group and a smattering of others will immediately push the technical boundary of growing human embryos in the lab for longer stretches.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02343-7

Meanwhile, Westerners think Western civilization is the most "civilized" and ethical society that has ever existed...

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2021, 12:25:53 pm »
For over a decade, scientists have been murdering rats in order to use their brains to control a robot. (See the links for videos).

These psychopaths should be executed, along with all those who are excited by such technology. Can you imagine what the rats must be experiencing? Their consciousness completely trapped and helpless as they drives the robot around, desperately trying to figure out what hellscape the devil has placed them in.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/pdiic7/a_robot_to_be_controlled_by_neurons_from_a_rats/
https://www.robotpark.com/academy/robot-with-a-rat-brain-11009/

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« Reply #89 on: September 07, 2021, 04:16:11 am »
"If Westerners can do something, they will."

And if they can't, they will find a way to:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/150-old-idea-could-lead-000000248.html

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The increasing frequency of both natural and man-made catastrophes such as worldwide pandemics and climate catastrophes has re-validated the urgency to establish humanity as a multi-planet species.

In other words, because Western civilization has made Earth increasingly dangerous to live in, whereas the sane answer is to end Western civilization ASAP, the Western answer is to expand Western civilization to other planets. Who writes this ****?

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Conventional spaceships burn rocket fuel to achieve escape velocities, maneuver, and even land, in the case of SpaceX rockets. But what if you could build a spaceship that runs entirely on electricity?

That's exactly what the Mach Effect Gravity Assist (MEGA) drive does.

Jim Woodward, a physics professor emeritus at California State University, Fullerton, and Hal Fearn, a physicist at Fullerton, have developed the Mach Effect Gravity Assist (MEGA) Drive propulsion based on what they say is peer-reviewed, technically credible physics.

With the help of a NASA Innovative Advanced Concepts (NIAC) grant, the two scientists have developed MEGA Drive based on the physics described in Einstein's theory of relativity. MEGA Drive--which is showing excellent promise in early testing and is already in phase two testing--is pretty much the holy grail of space travel and space science because it could power not only local travel within our solar system, but also interstellar travel that is currently undoable using available technologies.

So, how does MEGA Drive work?
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The MEGA Drive works by making a stack of piezoelectric crystals alternately heavier and lighter by applying electric current to them.
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By making an object heavier one instant and lighter the next, you can create thrust by using the very same Newtonian every-reaction-causes-an-equal-and-opposite-reaction principle used by rocket engines by throwing matter behind them to move forward.

MEGA Drive's main kicker: Unlike a conventional rocket that ejects burnt gases to create thrust, the MEGA Drive does not permanently lose its energy-producing crystals by actually throwing them away; You simply push them when heavy, and pull them back when light, thus creating momentum to move forward.

"If you now have a double frequency mechanical oscillation, you can push on it when it's more massive and pull it back when it's less massive. You've got propelling, but you don't have to throw it over and say goodbye. You get to throw it over when it's more massive and then because of this interaction with this inertial gravitational field, you can let it become less massive and then pull it back in," says Woodward.

Woodward says each Mach Effect drive unit can generate about a hundred millinewtons of force. As currently built, the Mach Effect engines are six-centimeter cubes just over two inches per side. By making them more efficient, Woodward says you'd get more power from each. And, by stacking as many of them as you want on your ship, you can generate enough forward momentum to power your ship.

Then it's just a question of how much electricity you can feed the drives, with a nuclear power plant mooted as a possible source of electricity.

The Western answer to all problems created by Western civilization is more Western civilization. Therefore, the more harm Western civilization causes, the stronger the motivation by Westerners to continue it. This is why there is no reasoning possible with progressives.

The only to stop Western civilization is to stop all like Woodward from being born in the first place. This is why we need state control over reproduction.

Eugenicists, in contrast, want more like Woodward being born:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/human-evolution-speeding-up/msg8580/#msg8580
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