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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2021, 10:08:02 pm »
Wow, it appears NS deleted his account after this exchange. Also, it's impossible to change your avi on Aryanism.net without the admin's consent, so either you are lying, or you used a different email address when you posted your recent comments under the NS username:
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/elon-musk-etc/comment-page-1/#comment-183342
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2021, 08:35:40 pm »
Maybe I was too harsh on NS? I didn't mean to hurt his feelings  and drive him off the forum! What do you guys think? Was I too harsh?

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2021, 08:10:24 pm »
It looks like the entire exchange that you're referring to is gone. I don't see any argument going on in the link you posted. Also, are you referring to guest5 and whatever username he has over on the blog, or NuminousSun?
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2021, 08:15:29 pm »
The exchange was a few posts ago on this thread. Guest5 was previously NuminousSun, before he deleted his account. I linked to the comment because it shows NS does not have a swastika next to his username on the blog.

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2021, 08:20:52 pm »
I didn't even notice that NuminousSun wasn't posting here anymore, since they were already such a prominent poster on here and the blog. Kind of sad that they're gone, but I will say that they were acting pretty weird and aggressive in those last few comments

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2021, 10:15:59 pm »

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2021, 12:02:18 am »

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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2021, 01:25:25 am »
Our enemies provide a direct comparison:

https://vdare.com/articles/on-columbus-day-biden-wants-to-replace-the-historic-american-nation-but-it-made-the-world

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Biden also took the occasion of proclaiming the legal holiday of Columbus Day to attack Christopher Columbus.
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    Today, we also acknowledge the painful history of wrongs and atrocities that many European explorers inflicted on Tribal Nations and Indigenous communities. It is a measure of our greatness as a Nation that we do not seek to bury these shameful episodes of our past—that we face them honestly, we bring them to the light, and we do all we can to address them. For Native Americans, western exploration ushered in a wave of devastation: violence perpetrated against Native communities, displacement and theft of Tribal homelands, the introduction and spread of disease, and more. On this day, we recognize this painful past and recommit ourselves to investing in Native communities, upholding our solemn and sacred commitments to Tribal sovereignty, and pursuing a brighter future centered on dignity, respect, justice, and opportunity for all people.

    A Proclamation on Columbus Day, 2021, October 8, 2021

In contrast, see President Trump’s 2020 Columbus Day Proclamation, which says in part:

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    More than 500 years ago, Christopher Columbus's intrepid voyage to the New World ushered in a new era of exploration and discovery. His travels led to European contact with the Americas and, a century later, the first settlements on the shores of the modern day United States. Today, we celebrate Columbus Day to commemorate the great Italian who opened a new chapter in world history and to appreciate his enduring significance to the Western Hemisphere. …

    Sadly, in recent years, radical activists have sought to undermine Christopher Columbus's legacy. These extremists seek to replace discussion of his vast contributions with talk of failings, his discoveries with atrocities, and his achievements with transgressions. Rather than learn from our history, this radical ideology and its adherents seek to revise it, deprive it of any splendor, and mark it as inherently sinister. They seek to squash any dissent from their orthodoxy. We must not give in to these tactics or consent to such a bleak view of our history. We must teach future generations about our storied heritage, starting with the protection of monuments to our intrepid heroes like Columbus. This June, I signed an Executive Order to ensure that any person or group destroying or vandalizing a Federal monument, memorial, or statue is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. …

    On this Columbus Day, we embrace the same optimism that led Christopher Columbus to discover the New World. We inherit that optimism, along with the legacy of American heroes who blazed the trails, settled a continent, tamed the wilderness, and built the single-greatest nation the world has ever seen.

    Proclamation 10100—Columbus Day, 2020, by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States, October 9, 2020

My problem with Biden's speech is:

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dignity, respect, justice, and opportunity for all people.

"All people"? So we should also respect Columbus?! If not, then don't say "all people"! The correct formulation is: "Dignity, respect and opportunity for all people except those who initiate violence. Justice for all people."
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2021, 09:21:05 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/j-d-vance-empathy-kyle-100512781.html

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If you haven’t been paying attention, you might be forgiven for mistaking the latest Twitter thread from newly converted Trump worshipper and flailing Senate candidate J.D. Vance for a compassionate, if woefully misguided, defense of the country’s most vulnerable.

“We leave our boys without fathers,” the Hillbilly Elegy writer and Peter Thiel protege said in a tweet. “We let the wolves set fire to their communities. And when human nature tells them to go and defend what no one else is defending, we bring the full weight of the state and the global monopolists against them.”

Vance could have been empathizing with Black and brown kids in underserved neighborhoods who, multiple studies show, respond to the psychological strain of over-policing by acting out. He could have been emphasizing the humanity of Black parents disproportionately criminalized by a racist justice system that takes them away from their children and communities. He could have been noting that those involved in community uprisings against police abuse and political repression often face harm from state-backed agents willing to use any violent means necessary to disempower them.

But Vance wasn’t talking about any of those people or things. He was empathizing with Kyle Rittenhouse
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Vance has no empathy to spare for the Kenosha, Wisconsin, residents who live with the consistent low-grade terror of racialized police violence—as manifest in the seven point-blank shots fired by Officer Rusten Sheskey into Jacob Blake, leaving him paralyzed, and which catalyzed anti-racist protests in the city. Those residents, sneers Vance, were “lawless thugs” trying to destroy Rittenhouse’s “community.” It is a blatant statement of support for racist foot soldiers and a justification of whatever violence they inflict.

Rittenhouse crossed state lines with his mother, menacingly entered a protest crowd wielding an illegal semiautomatic weapon he thought “looked cool,” shot three men including two from the community he invaded, and later claimed self-defense despite being the “only person who killed anyone” among hundreds of others who were out that night in Kenosha. Hours after entering entering his not guilty plea, Rittenhouse, who is not old enough to legally drink without his complicit mom by his side, went to a bar and took pictures with fascist Proud Boys while flashing white power symbols and wearing a shirt that read “FREE AS ****.”
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Hearing right-wing boosters attribute innocence and purity of motive to Rittenhouse, it’s hard not to recognize how those things are consistently denied to Black kids. In states where rightwing perversions of critical race theory have been turned into bans on the teaching of slavery, anti-Black racism, and the legacies of white American supremacy, the argument that history will make victims of white children prevails. The eight states that now legally prohibit a warped version of CRT in classrooms are attempting to ban any lesson that might make white kids feel “discomfort, guilt, anguish and any other form of psychological distress”—painting white children as the potential victims of truthful corrections to America’s whitewashed historical memory. School board members in Virginia are suggesting book-burning and bookshelves are being purged in Kansas to protect white kids’ inherent innocence.

When CBS asks “How young is too young to learn about racism?” they must know that Black kids learn firsthand about racism without being asked if the timing is convenient, a privilege extended to choosy white parents.

That courtesy is not provided to Black kids who, studies show, have a “25 percent jump in their likelihood of being diagnosed with a mental illness” because of racial discrimination. Black boys, and especially girls, whose suicide rates are currently increasing—and who now “are about twice as likely to die by suicide as white children of the same age”—do not get the benefits of victimhood conferred on their white peers.

The adults like Vance who somehow find a “baby boy” with a “moral core” in a young white man who needlessly shot three people, killing two of them, have no capacity for empathy when it comes to Black kids and young adults.

It’s a lethal blind spot. Isabella Tichenor, a 10-year-old autistic Black girl so cruelly bullied by her Utah classmates that she committed suicide, was insufficiently capable of being seen as a victim by white school officials who reportedly refused to intervene in response to her pleas.

Black children are far more likely to be punished with expulsion and suspension by school administrators who too often can only view them as perpetrators. America’s criminal justice system disproportionately tries Black kids as adults and sentences them to time behind bars, while letting kids like Rittenhouse go free. And study after study finds that Black kids are seen as angrier by teachers, as less innocent by cops (like the one who told Rittenhouse he was “appreciated,” later bypassing him after he’d killed two people), and as incapable of experiencing the same physical pain as white kids by doctors. The adultification of Black kids steals any notion of their victimhood away.

The word “victim” is also what three white killers asked a Georgia court not to use in reference to Ahmaud Arbery, the young Black jogger they boasted of having “trapped like a rat” before shooting him dead in the street. But while the judge in the case rightly rejected that appeal, a seemingly sympathetic court has agreed to Rittenhouse’s demand that the word “victim” not be used to describe the people Rittenhouse fatally shot. The term “looter” was sanctioned instead.

“I think our people hate the right people,” Vance said in a recent interview. Whether said out of political expediency or not, the impact of Vance’s words is the same. He is being transparent about who deserves to be regarded as a full person, whose basic humanity cannot be questioned, whose decency remains intact despite their struggles and foibles—and whose does not.

That idea is repeated in the words of Josh Hawley, who while literally claiming he was not saying men are victims, declared men victims of modern society; or Paul Gosar, who retweeted a video of himself killing of a congresswoman of color months after he called for the head of the officer who shot white Capitol insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt; or Tucker Carlson, who once suggested George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Jacob Black deserved what they got, but remains adamant in his defense of a white kid who killed two people.

These people are just saying the quiet part out loud—louder and louder, and again and again.

We previously covered Vance here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/old-content/msg7380/#msg7380

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2021, 08:25:54 pm »
A quick reminder of the extent of our enemies' double-standards:

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1352402/

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If Kyle Rittenhouse is an example of white privilege, then Ahmaud Arbery is an example of black privilege since those white people weren't acquitted.


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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2021, 08:32:05 pm »
When we discuss tribalism, we usually concentrate on tribalists refusing to help those in their outgroup despite good reason to do so. But the overlooked complement to this is the tribalist tendency to proactively help those in their ingroup even when there is no reason to do so:

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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2022, 08:07:29 pm »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10451921/Kate-Garraway-shuts-GMB-cancel-culture-debate-comic-defends-burkas-letterbox-remark.html

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Good Morning Britain shut down its own debate on cancel culture today after a guest defended Boris Johnson for saying women in burkas looked like letterboxes – before branding its male meteorologist 'the weathergirl'.

Comedian Leo Kearse said the PM's comment in 2018 was deployed as a 'visual gag' and was 'not a hateful thing' to say as he appeared on the show.

Why should something automatically become acceptable just because it is labelled as a joke (usually by the person who said it who wants to avoid consequences)? What does it really mean when our enemies claim that bad behaviour becomes acceptable if it is a joke? It means that so long as the ingroup finds it funny, it does not matter that it hurts the outgroup. This is the same tribalist logic that accounts for every behaviour from colonialism to animal experimentation: the ingroup benefits, so who cares about the outgroup?

Kearse is correct. Rightist jokes are not hateful. False Leftists who only know how to call rightist jokes "hateful" will never get anywhere. Call rightist jokes what they are: tribalist bullying. Bullies never hate their victims. Bullies consider their victims to be their source of entertainment.

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But his claims were leapt on by Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu who blasted him for 'utterly reprehensible' opinions and said he was 'part of the problem'.

Self-confessed 'uncloseted right-wing' comic Kearse hit back pointing out that white men with rosy cheeks get called gammon and asked her why that was not considered racist.

Because those rosy-cheeked men have been inaccurately calling themselves "white" for over 500 years and getting away with it. Calling them gammon is merely a way to expose their gaslighting (gaslighting itself being a form of bullying, thus anti-gaslighting is anti-bullying):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg520/#msg520

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg523/#msg523

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg524/#msg524

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/karenism-(a-k-a-ethnic-profiling-by-civilians)/msg9676/#msg9676

In contrast, burqa-wearers have not described themselves inaccurately in any official capacity, therefore calling them letterboxes is unprovoked and thus bullying. The difference between gammon and letterbox is same as the difference between retaliatory violence and initiated violence.

Anyway, this is Kearse:



Anyone want to give his head the Samuel Paty treatment?
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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2022, 08:24:40 pm »
The Right’s Obsession With George Soros | The Mehdi Hasan Show
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How did George Soros become the right wing’s go-to bogeyman? Author Emily Tamkin joins Mehdi to discuss.


Reminder:
George Soros is a leading target of anti-Semitism. These Jews openly criticize him anyway.
https://www.jta.org/2020/09/08/united-states/george-soros-is-a-leading-target-of-anti-semitism-these-jews-openly-criticize-him-anyway


Many Jews call Soros a "self-hating Jew", which really only ever means that a person with Jewish ancestry is more honest about Jewishness than the average Jew is....


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« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2022, 07:59:08 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-why-conservatives-love-canadian-164147849.html

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When Black Lives Matter or other liberal protest groups block a road for an evening, there is no shortage of calls for violence. Right-wing legislators hastily pass laws that would make it legal to run over protesters, and conservative pundits flood the airwaves and social media to decry the unspeakable horror of holding up traffic for a few hours.

But now that a very loud but ultimately small group of white people in Canada have disrupted the flow of goods and people for weeks, their tone is, predictably, different. Black people and their allies protesting police brutality is an affront to the American project. But fighting for the liberty to contract an infectious disease and give it to your neighbor? That’s called freedom, baby.
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As more proof that conservatives will latch on to anything that advances their cause, let’s check in on their crusade for “law and order.”

If we were to take their proclamations at face value, a dozen truckers blocking border crossings to and from one of our biggest trade partners seems like it would be cause for concern. But anyone who has been watching the conservative movement for the last 50 years knows that law and order is only for Black people.

And remember when everyone was blaming Joe Biden for the supply chain issues that have plagued the globe since the onset of the pandemic? For a week, the truckers blocked important border crossings, impeding the movement of goods and people. Auto plants on both sides of the border had to operate at a reduced capacity because they couldn’t receive the proper parts required for making cars.

Looks like supply chain issues weren’t that big of a concern after all, just a way to score cheap political points.

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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2022, 08:32:11 pm »