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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
« Reply #90 on: March 08, 2022, 09:39:30 pm »
There is worse from our enemies:

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/03/07/this-isnt-world-war-three-it-is-far-far-worse-this-is-world-war-sodomy/

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THIS WAR, WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT, IS FOUNDATIONALLY ABOUT THE GLOBAL RATIFICATION AND INSTALLATION OF SODOMY AS THE DOMINANT AND “NORMATIVE” MORAL HEGEMONY.
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Simply look at how the Ukraine-Russia war is being framed.  It is the “freedom-loving, liberty-loving, righteous LGBTQ friendly” Ukraine against the “Christian theocrat anti-LGBTQ dictator” Putin (I still marvel at the insanity of this description).

“Freedom” and “liberty” are now explicit dogwhistles for SODOMY.
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And, to the point of this essay, the Sodogarchy (aka Globohomo) are literally, right now, as I type this, agitating for NUCLEAR WAR, first and foremost in EUROPE, which is, of course, the center of Christian Civilization

I learned a new word today!

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« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2022, 10:54:22 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/author-robert-p-jones-american-110118318.html

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Asking poll questions about people's views on Confederate flags and monuments, police killings of African Americans, and other racial issues, author Robert P. Jones created a "racism index."

For example, most with the highest scores viewed police killings of African Americans as isolated incidents.

The index is scored from zero to 10, from least to most racist views, he said. The scores were controlled for political partisanship, region of the country and other issues.

The findings were surprising, he said.

Not as surprising, white evangelicals scored an average 8 out of 10 on the scale, he said. But white Catholics, who historically have been discriminated against, and white non-evangelical protestants scored nearly as high, with an average score of 7, he said.

Whites with no religious affiliation had an average score of 4.

"When you hear the statistics cold, many white Christians are astonished," Jones said. "It's very clear that white Christianity has been on the wrong side of history."
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Even before the Civil War, many religious abolitionists fighting to free the slaves didn't believe in equality for Blacks, he said. Most of them saw whites as the superior race.

The violent, but very religious, abolitionist John Brown is an exception

Brown alone understood Christianity:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/

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White ministers, priests and rabbis were more cautious than courageous "and have remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained-glass windows," Jones quoted from King.

"I think that's really at the heart of the matter," Jones said. "Who is their God? Who are they worshiping?"

If the ministers and priests worship the same god as the rabbis, then logically they worship Yahweh. And that is presumably why they do not think racism is a problem!

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"We're for equal opportunity, but we're going to ignore our racist past," Jones said is the attitude of too many white Christians. "It's a kind of historical amnesia that benefits whites. They just pretend and wipe the slate clean."

In other words, they are not Christians. Where does wiping the slate clean come from?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-yom-kippur-reminder-the-idea-of-debt-forgiveness-dates-at-least-as-far-back-as-the-bible-11631729059

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In fact, it dates back (at least) all the way to the Old Testament of the Bible.

“Every seventh year you shall practice the remission of debts,” the 15th chapter of Deuteronomy reads. “This shall be the nature of the remission: every creditor shall remit the due that he claims from his fellow.”
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“Shmita is part of a complex of ideas in the Bible that essentially promote a socioeconomic vision in which people are given second chances to start over again in which they might change their economic and social position,” said Suzanne Last Stone, a professor of Jewish law at Cardozo Law School, Yeshiva University. “It kind of is like a reboot economically.”

Not from Jesus, that's for sure:


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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
« Reply #92 on: March 22, 2022, 09:24:03 pm »
Our enemies make our case for us while trying to do the opposite:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/03/22/is-christianity-compatible-with-white-racialism/

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The Christian Faith, it is argued, stands opposed to “racism” and ethnic tribalism. Believers in Jesus throughout Europe and America are urged to be “non-racist.” They are to stand against any stripe of nationalism that favors one ethnic group or nationality above another. Along with everyone else in a deracinated society as ours, White Christians too believe that “race doesn’t matter.”

Yet, are such notions supported by the New Testament itself (hereafter, NT)? Has today’s “anti-racism” been the prevailing viewpoint throughout the history of the Christian Church?

I intend to demonstrate in this article that the NT does not deny racial differences among human groups, nor does it foster a multiracial and multicultural framework for the nations.

Yes, followers of Jesus must be anti-racist. Therefore the only way our enemies will succeed in finding New Testament support for racism is by talking about:

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Paul did not urge Jewish believers to abandon their Jewish culture or certain ethnic traditions that were unique to them as a people. In fact, Paul himself was quite proud of his ethnic pedigree as seen in Philippians 3:4-6 even though he thought that paled in comparison with “the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord” (v.8).

When Paul was maligned by false teachers who accused him of teaching other Jews who are among the Gentiles to “forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs” in Acts 21:17, he was urged by James and the elders to ritually “purify” himself and the others with him so that “all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law” (v.24).

It is important to recognize that there is a historical transition occurring during this period from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, and so naturally there is going to be some overlap between the two covenants. The Christian elders in Acts 21 did not want Paul’s message to be misunderstood, and they did not want people to reject it based on lies. As a form of concession, Paul subjects himself to a Jewish ritual cleansing to show he has not abandoned his people and culture.

This demonstrates that Paul was not against maintaining certain ethnic customs and traditions unique to Jews. He clearly maintained his Jewish identity. Likewise, he did not require that Gentile believers lose their unique ethnic and cultural identity either, except in those realms that conflicted with the Gospel message. Gentile believers were forbidden from idolatry, fornication, including eating meats that have been ceremoniously offered to idols (Acts 15:19–20).

These types of prohibitions are religious in nature, and not intended as a prohibition of all things ethnic or cultural. The natural deduction from it was that everything distinctive to them as a people was permissible. Greeks did not have to stop being Greeks, and Jews did not have to stop being Jewish. Paul had no interest in erasing ‘Whiteness,’ or ‘Jewishness,’ or ‘Greekness.’
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When Paul gave his speech to the Athenians in Acts 17:26 (“He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation”), he clearly assumes that while we have all descended from Adam, there are legitimate boundaries of habitation (national borders) that separates us from each other. At no point does Paul argue that such boundaries should be torn down, nor that each nation should pursue a racial “melting pot” model for its citizens.

One could argue that it wasn’t Paul’s purpose in his speech to address immigration issues and racial diversity as it pertains to nations. True, but it’s interesting to observe that in the many public addresses Paul gives, including the various people he encountered during his missionary travels, there is not even one recorded occasion where he spoke of the need for miscegenation, racial and cultural diversity, or the blending of all people into some grand Utopian society. I think if it were so important for the nations of the world and vital to the Christian message, he would have said so. The fact that he never once did this sort of thing tells me that it’s not an essential of Christian belief.
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Besides, had Paul really believed that all racial and gender differences were mere “social constructs” and done away with in Christ, it seems strange that he would command the women to be “silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves just as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church” (1 Corinthians 14:34-35). In his letter to Timothy, Paul also declares “Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). Evidently, not all ethnic and gender distinctions were erased in the way race-denying Christians imagine.

Why don't our enemies simply call their religion Paulianity, then?
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2022, 09:35:39 pm »
It never ceases to amaze me how many human-beings will worship something they have not even read!?

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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2022, 08:33:34 pm »
Some people understand Christianity is leftist, but do they understand that the Old Testament is rightist and hence that the failure to throw out the Old Testament from Christianity is what is ultimately holding it back?

https://thedialog.org/national-news/some-catholics-believe-the-church-should-look-to-collaborate-with-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

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For Segura, the Black Lives Matter movement is “very much a secular version of our Catholic social teaching” particularly with its focus on “affirming the most marginalized people,”

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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2022, 12:14:06 am »
Meanwhile back in the Orthodox Church:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/patriarch-urges-soldiers-defend-peace-140325408.html

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Patriarch urges soldiers to defend 'peace-loving' Russia amid Ukraine campaign
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At the lavishly decorated Main Cathedral of the Armed Forces opened two years ago in Kubinka outside Moscow, Patriarch Kirill told a group of servicemen and servicewomen that Russia was a "peace-loving" country that had suffered greatly from war.
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Kirill, 75, has previously made statements defending Moscow's actions in Ukraine and sees the war as a bulwark against a Western liberal culture that he considers decadent, particularly over the acceptance of homosexuality.

In other words, by "peace" he means peace for heteronormativity a.k.a. homophobia.

At least he has the hat to go with his attitudes:


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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
« Reply #96 on: April 10, 2022, 09:22:28 pm »
Our enemies explain why they love the Old Testament:

https://counter-currents.com/2022/04/a-bit-more-of-the-good-book-the-ethnonationalist-revenge/

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Morris van de Camp’s excellent essay “A Bit of the Good Book — From an Ethnonationalist Perspective” reminded me of something that I have always known about the Old Testament: It is a tribalist manifesto. Of course, it is more than just that. It’s part history, myth, fable, literature, prayer, law, and other things as well.

Thematically it is equally diverse. It’s truculent and cruel, as when Moses orders the sons of Levi to kill 3,000 of their own people after they worshipped the golden calf in his absence (Exodus 32:19-28), or when God instructs the sons of Israel to commit genocide against the Hittites and other groups (Deuteronomy 7:1-16). It’s edge-of-your-seat entertaining, as when the conflicted and ill-fated King Saul contends with the upstart David along with external threats from the Philistines and the Amalekites (1 Samuel 15-31).

It’s brimming with unforgettable detail, my favorite being the “shibboleth” story from Judges 12 in which Jephthah is warring with Ephraim. The former’s followers detect an Ephraimite through his inability to pronounce the word “shibboleth.” A close second also appears in the exquisitely violent Book of Judges, when a fleeing Canaanite commander named Sisera seeks shelter in the camp of the Kenites, an allied tribe. Jael, the wife of Heber, invites him into her tent, waits for him to fall asleep, and then drives a nail through his temple with a mallet (Judges 4: 17-22).

For prose literature, one would have to travel to Ancient Greece to find to find anything as imaginative, profound, and mesmerizing as the Book of Job. And as for poetry in the form of prayer, what can equal Psalm 23 (“The Lord is my Shepherd”) to help a person endure difficult times? Psalm 56 (“A Prayer of Trust”) comes close. And if one is lonely and far from home, one can do no better than the first six lines of Psalm 137 (“By the Rivers of Babylon”) to find comfort.

There is therefore a reason why the Old Testament resonates so powerfully across the miles and centuries. Of course, this might be due to the sublime English verse found in the King James Bible almost as much as it is to the inherent value of the source material. Can anyone in the West imagine what could encompass the meaning of the word “scripture” better than the Old Testament? For these reasons, it is a crucial document of world history and literature.

Yet, above all else, the Old Testament is — I repeat — a tribalist manifesto. At all times, the reader is aware of the distinct and strictly — often violently — enforced demarcations between Jews and non-Jews. Thus, the term “seed” appears often in the Pentateuch. Genetics and racial purity are of paramount important to the ancient Israelites. This is why the Book of Ruth is so noteworthy: It actually violates this racial purity by accepting the heathen Ruth into the Jewish bloodline which leads to King David. Note also Psalm 137, mentioned above. I included only lines 1-6 because lines 7-9 are quite a bit less, shall we say, psalm-like. They seek revenge against Israel’s enemies by calling for the mass murder of children (“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”)

Not so sublime, now, is it?

In Genesis 15:4-5 and 22:17, God informs Abraham that the number of his seed will amount to the stars in the sky. In Genesis 21:13, God promises Abraham that he will make a nation from his seed. In Genesis 25:23 God tells Isaac’s wife Rebekah that there are two separate and distinct nations in her womb. Genesis 35:11 has God instructing Jacob that he will offer the land of Israel to his seed. So, if you were not of Jacob’s seed, then you were not going to receive the bounty of the Lord, and no amount of good deeds and righteous acts was going to change that. This is not civic nationalism. This is blood and soil tribalism, which was extremely common if not ubiquitous in the ancient world.

Above, we mention how God instructs His children to commit genocide. Here’s the Lord in his own words (Deuteronomy 7:14-16):

Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.

And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.

Now, to be fair to the ancient Israelites, I am sure that the holy doctrines of all the surrounding tribes in the Middle East back then had similar passages demonizing the outgroup. In its historical context, there may not be much that is unusual about the Old Testament in this regard. But still, it’s impossible not to read a distinct ethnocentrism in and between the lines of the Old Testament — one that will force many modern-day Christians of the “woke” and inclusive variety into the uncomfortable position of backpedaling. Deuteronomy 14:2 would be a typical triggering point:

For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are now upon the earth.

Genealogy is also central to the Old Testament. Genesis’ fourth and fifth chapters provide exact lists of Adam and Eve’s descendants, which provides the stereotypical “who begat whom” business the Bible is famous for. Chapter 10 of Genesis provides 32 lines of Noah’s descendants, known as the “Table of Nations.” At the end of the Book of Ruth, Ruth’s child Obed’s lineage is provided, which stretches back to Pharez, the son of Judah — who in turn was the son of Isaac and the grandson of Abraham. A similar genealogy is provided for King Saul in 1 Samuel 9:1.

So, the idea of ethnocentric purity reverberates throughout the Old Testament, with the rare exceptions being explicitly stated (such as with Ruth as well as with Judah’s coupling with his daughter in-law, the Canaanite Tamar). Most of the time, however, God punishes Jews who venture among the gentiles, swiftly and mercilessly.
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Christians can resort to all sorts of syllogisms to dispel the throbbing ethnocentrism found in the cruel and authoritative Old Testament. And dispel they must if they wish their religions to be as ecumenical in deed as in word, because if there is anything the Old Testament isn’t, it’s ecumenical.

Unfortunately, this resolution opens a loophole which the globalist enemies of Christians — and of white people — are quick to exploit. It is the very ecumenical nature of the New Testament which provides the justification, or holy decree, behind the racial integration and mass immigration which is currently threatening the West’s white populations.

The Old Testament is Judaic. It is the New Testament which is Christian and hence the enemy of "whiteness" (and Jewishness). You can be "white" (including Jewish) or you can be Christian. You cannot be both.

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« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2022, 09:38:56 pm »
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Morris van de Camp’s excellent essay “A Bit of the Good Book — From an Ethnonationalist Perspective” reminded me of something that I have always known about the Old Testament: It is a tribalist manifesto.

I never thought I'd see the day an ethno-tribalist stated it so openly and plainly....

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« Reply #98 on: April 11, 2022, 12:17:42 am »
Orthodox cleric Patriarch Kirill is likely a KGB agent:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/feb/12/1
Russian Patriarch 'was KGB spy'

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A secret Soviet-era document uncovered in Estonia suggests that Patriarch Alexy II, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church and spiritual leader of tens of millions of Christians, was a fully fledged KGB agent.

Accusations that Alexy, elected Patriarch in 1990, co-operated closely with the KGB under the code name 'Drozdov' (Thrush), have circulated since a parliamentary commission was allowed a brief peek at secret police files in Moscow in 1991.

But the Estonian text is the first publicly available document to support the theory that Alexy was more than a mere collaborator and that from 1958 he was an active agent, using the KGB as a career ladder at a time when the secret police persecuted organised religion.

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The Russian Orthodox Church claims the document is a forgery but has made no attempt to disprove its authenticity. The Patriarch has made no comment.

'As far as I understand, what's being said is that someone, somewhere, brought out into the open some kind of paper carrying neither the Patriarch's signature nor reliable information that he had any kind of involvement in this sort of activity,' said a Church spokesman, Father Vsevolod Chaplin.

Yet the evidence, in the 1958 annual report of the Estonian branch of the KGB, which was left behind in Tallinn when the Soviet authorities pulled out of the newly independent country in 1991, is compelling.

The report, seen by the Guardian, consists of a stack of yellowing typewritten pages bound together as a book, which carries the legend 'Top Secret Ekz. No. 2 Series K' and the title `Summary of operational intelligence work by the 4th department of the KGB in the Council of Ministers of the Estonian SSR in 1958'.

On page 125 is a short account of the recruitment, in that year, of a young Orthodox priest given the codename 'Drozdov'. The agent is not named, but key characteristics coincide with Alexy's life.

Like the Patriarch, Drozdov was born in Tallinn in 1929, spoke fluent Russian and Estonian, was a doctor of theology and was serving as an Orthodox priest in Estonia in 1958.

Drozdov, who impressed the KGB with his eagerness, discretion and lively, forthcoming manner, began his career as an agent by providing information on a corrupt priest at a church in the small town of Jyhvi.

The Patriarch was the rector of the Church of the Epiphany in Jyhvi from 1950 until 1957. By 1961 he had become the bishop of Tallinn and Estonia aged only 32. The 1958 KGB report on Drozdov said his promotion to this post was 'considered' during his recruitment.

In the same year that he became a bishop, Alexy's rapid rise within the World Council of Churches began - the very course the KGB planned for Drozdov.

Indrek Jurjo, the Estonian historian who investigated the KGB report, said: `It must be him. It's very close. There were very few priests of the Orthodox Church here at that time. The description, the age, the plan for him to become a bishop - it fits.'

The report describes Drozdov as agreeing to work for the KGB on patriotic grounds. 'He's described here as an agent,' said Mr Jurjo. 'That means he had a KGB officer who he met with regularly in clandestine locations and who interrogated him. He would also have written reports.' Drozdov's reports, along with the KGB annual summaries after 1958, were taken to Moscow in 1991. After the 1991 putsch, President Boris Yeltsin gave a Russian parliamentary commission carte blanche to probe into some of the darkest secrets of the KGB, only to withdraw it a few months later under pressure from the secret police and other powerful figures.

Father Gleb Yakunin, an Orthodox priest and former MP who searched through KGB files, said he found several references to Drozdov. To his regret, he made no copies, and never found the card-index in which the codenames of agents were matched with their true identities.

One reference in the report from October 1969 reads: 'Agents Drozdov and Peresvyet travelled to England as part of the delegation to the Conference of European Churches.' Father Gleb, who was imprisoned in Soviet times for his opposition to state interference in the Church, said the Patriarch must lead the clergy in mass repentance.

'To co-operate with a state which sets as its aim the destruction of religion is a great sin, and a betrayal of Christianity,' he said.

The Patriarch is highly influential: the Kremlin values his support, and Alexy is close to at least one of Boris Yeltsin's likely successors, Moscow's mayor, Yuri Luzhkov.

In Russia only one small newspaper, the weekly Novaya Gazeta, has reported the Estonian find. A freelance television journalist, Boris Sobolyev, who travelled to Tallinn to film the story, has been unable to find a Russian news programme willing to air it.

Father Chaplin said: 'In recent times many anonymous photocopies of all sorts of pieces of paper have been circulated. In none of them is there the slightest evidence that the individuals we are talking about knew that these documents were being drawn up, or gave their consent. So I don't think any reasonably authoritative clerical or secular commission could see these papers as proof of anything.
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What does it say about Russian "religion" that you literally have a former member of one of the most murderous organizations in the world as your figurehead? More importantly, what does it say about the authenticity of Russian religion itself?

Of course, it goes without saying we would oppose the Orthodox Church even if it were following the authentic (i.e. non intelligence agency infilitrated) version of Orthodoxy.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
« Reply #99 on: April 11, 2022, 09:29:13 pm »
Orthodox Church demonstrates traditionalist violence:

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« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2022, 08:37:47 pm »
I repeat, the Orthodox Church is the problem:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/image-besieged-victimized-russia-came-124816887.html

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For centuries, Russia has often been derided as overly, if not pathologically, paranoid: always suspicious of outsiders while harboring plans of conquest.
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Russia’s rendering of itself as a geopolitical fortress coincided with the development of its identity as a bastion of Christianity.

In the 16th century under Ivan “the Terrible,” the ruling elite of Muscovy, as the land of Russia was known then, propagated the idea of it being the Third Rome: the God-ordained, sole home of true Christianity.

The two previous capitals of Christianity – the Rome of the Vatican and the Rome of Constantinople as the capital of the Byzantine Empire – could no longer aspire to such status. After all, the first was under control of schismatics – as Orthodox Christians would view Catholics – while the second had been occupied by the Ottoman Turks since the city’s fall in 1453. That left Russia as the only place where a pure form of Christianity could reside.

In reality, of course, the Orthodox Church was a destroyer of true Christianity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatise_Against_the_Bogomils

and guess how they did it:

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Cosmas purposefully employed around 70 quotations from Apostle Paul to debunk the beliefs of Bogomils

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg12216/#msg12216

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« Reply #101 on: April 20, 2022, 03:37:09 am »
Welby is talking about the real God, not Yahweh:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61130841

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Speaking at Canterbury Cathedral on Easter Sunday, Mr Welby said there were "serious ethical questions about sending asylum seekers overseas".

He added: "The details are for politics and politicians. The principle must stand the judgment of God, and it cannot.

"...And it cannot carry the weight of our national responsibility as a country formed by Christian values; because sub-contracting out our responsibilities, even to a country that seeks to do well like Rwanda, is the opposite of the nature of God, who himself took responsibility for our failures."

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« Reply #102 on: April 30, 2022, 08:32:41 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/christians-loathe-neighbor-while-love-160000496.html

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Greene’s ire was stirred by the idea of Catholic bishops rendering aid to undocumented immigrants on the Southern border. “Oh, we have to love these people and take care of these migrants,” she says in a mocking singsong. “Yes, we’re supposed to love one another, but their definition of what ‘love one another’ means means destroying our laws. . . . The true meaning of loving one another . . . means that you also have to uphold the law.”

It’s a bizarre exegesis supported by no Bible. To the contrary, Greene’s take invalidates generations of Christian activism, thousands of believers — Martin Luther King is only the most prominent — arrested in every cause from racial equality to climate change to nuclear arms to the death penalty. Further, it ignores that the very founder of the faith was a refugee who was later executed — spoiler alert: it didn’t stick — for supposedly breaking the law.

Racists will always be racists, but what we can do is get them to admit that racism is incompatible with Christianity:

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Author Eddy Harris once described a conversation with a white woman in Mississippi whose mother belonged to a whites-only church in the 1960s. The older woman was asked whether Jesus would have allowed African Americans to worship in his church. “Of course he would have,” she said, “but Jesus would have been wrong.”

This 1960s racist is at least better than Greene who tries to claim that Jesus would endorse her.
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« Reply #103 on: May 19, 2022, 10:47:34 pm »
The Hebrew Bible also tells Judeo-Christian Palestinians in Jewish occupied Palestine to also forgive, this has worked out for Palestinians about as well as "forgiveness" and "tolerance" has worked out for "blacks" in the Western colonized world. "Forgiveness" is what cowards do for themselves so they don't have to be bothered by uncomfortable emotions...

'The Bible tells us to forgive': Church deacon says Buffalo shooting victim would forgive gunman
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CNN’s Brian Todd is in Buffalo, New York, where the investigation continues into the mass shooting at Tops grocery store. Todd speaks to a man who attended church with shooting victim Hayward Patterson, and hears from the son of slain security guard Aaron Salter, Jr. Then, legal analyst Carrie Cordero joins CNN’s Jake Tapper to discuss New York’s red flag laws and why they didn’t help keep the guns away from the 18-year-old accused domestic terrorist. #CNN #News


Why is it when occupiers\colonialists and tyrants preach "forgiveness" many of the oppressed embrace it fully with their hearts and minds?

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« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2022, 10:03:35 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-endorsed-her-now-she-195809007.html

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Trump Endorsed Her. Now She Wants to Use State Power to ‘Crush’ the Left and Impose ‘God’s Moral Order’

God is a leftist. She wants to impose Yahweh's order.

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Jacky Eubanks is running for the Michigan legislature with a “wholehearted” endorsement from Donald Trump who calls her “an America First Patriot.”
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Her agenda?

Banning contraception, gay marriage and imposing the “Christian moral order” on the nation.

Not only does homophobia come exclusively from the Old Testament (hence Judaism, not Christianity) as we have pointed out over and over again, but so does anti-contraception:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_contraception

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Among traditional interpretations of the Torah, active prevention of pregnancy is in violation of the commandment "be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28). Some Rabbinic authorities[who?] further consider the possibility (generally not accepted) that a union that by definition cannot lead to pregnancy would amount to "spilling seed", the sin of Onan ( Genesis 38:9–10).
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Contraceptive measures that lead to male sterility, are not ever permitted for their interfering with a man's obligation, only ever being permitted in life-threatening circumstances for the man such as some forms of cancer. For example, a crushed or mangled man may not be permitted to marry anyone but a convert under Jewish law, and halachic authorities see vasectomy as a form of maiming, even if already married to a non-convert becoming maimed intentionally or accidentally including a vasectomy does obligate divorce unless a successful repair surgery is performed and sperm flow is returned (based on Deuteronomy 23:2).[1]
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In the Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Issurei (21:18)–which is part of the Maimonides' Law Code from the medieval period–it is stated that expending semen for no purpose is forbidden as a man holds the sole responsibility in the act of procreation. Because the commandant for this duty rests on the man, any form of male contraception or sterilization is prohibited by Traditional Jewish Law.[5]

Back to first link:

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Voris then drilled down on contraception, specifically, asking Eubanks if she would use her vote in the Michigan statehouse to make it illegal. “We have a declining population. We have an underpopulation problem. All of this could be avoided if we were a truly pro-life nation,” Eubanks said.

No further comment necessary. But she also looks like what we would expect:

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