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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2022, 04:22:46 am »
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1360939/

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A List of Things Leftists Hate

Let's see how well our enemies understand us.....

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— White men (they’re racist oppressors who had the colossal nerve to invent everything)

Yes, they are. (Jews even more so.)

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— traditional family values (they’re sexist and homophobic)

Yes, they are.

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— children (they’re a burden and they’re expensive, too)

We do not hate children. We hate those who violently force children to be born. Children are their victims who had no choice in the matter:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/re-childcare-issues/

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— old people (they’re a burden; “rest homes exist for a reason!”)

We do not hate old people who never reproduced; in fact we respect them with more certainty than we respect younger people who have not (so far) reproduced, since the former have already made it fully past reproductive age without reproducing, whereas the latter might still do so later.

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— conservatives (they’re all racists and haters!)

Conservatives are racists, but not haters. We are the haters (of racists):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-hate/

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— traditions (they’re corny and old-fashioned)

We do hate tradition, but not because they are old-fashioned, but because they are traditional (ie. intergenerationally transmitted by crushing Original Nobility and filling the void left behind). There is plenty to like about anti-traditional ideas from thousands of years ago.

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— facts and truth (leftists must hide facts and truth, which hinder the “progressive” agenda, e.g., racial differences)

We are not progressives. We also have no problem with discussing racial differences:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/

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— religion (but Islam is okay)

All anti-tribalist religions are OK.

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— racial solidarity (unless Blacks and Browns have it/show it, then it’s okay!)

No, we criticize those who self-identify as "black" or "brown". We tell them they should be self-identifying as "non-white". Folkish solidarity is what we want!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/ethnotribalism-the-computer-simulation/

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— patriotism (how horrible!)

Patriotism is fine if it means willingness to work at what serves the country's needs even if it is less well-paid. Patriotism is horrible if it means perceiving one's own country as the in-group and other countries as the out-group.

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— national sovereignty (how horrible!)

National sovereignty with accountability is fine. National sovereignty without accountability is horrible.

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— suburbs (too White)

Also too reliant on cars.

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— the Midwest (too White)

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/demographic-blueshift/

will solve the problem.

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— classical music (too White)

Also too complicated, and most importantly of all is an oppressor of countless children forced to learn it (and you say we hate children?).

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— heterosexuals (too normal)

We do not hate "heterosexuals" who do not reproduce.

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— guns (they’re very dangerous!)

We wish guns had never been invented, but since they have, the best thing we can do is point them towards the civilization responsible for their spread:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/firearms/

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— small governments (“governments must be huge and must control everything!”)

Governments should not control what people do in private that doesn't affect anyone else. It's rightists who think governments should do that.

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— capitalism (rich White men exploiting Black people)

And adding more and more:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/population-and-demographics/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/climate-weather-and-climate-effects-2020-and-beyond/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

to the world along the way.

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— rich people (unless they’re liberal, then they’re okay)

We are not liberals. Rich leftists are preferable to rich rightists, but we still despise them if they live extravagantly or otherwise use their money to further complexify the economy.

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— low taxes (“Black people need our tax dollars!”)

I think there is typo here and our enemies actually mean high taxes. We certainly believe that no one should have more money than is required to live in modest comfort, so all money beyond this should indeed be taxed.

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— Ronald Reagan (“Under his presidency, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer!” aka, zero-sum thinking)[1].

I keep saying Reagan wasn't that bad:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/linda-sarsour-disavowed-by-biden-camp/msg10284/#msg10284

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— Donald Trump (“He’s just like Hitler, only taller! He has millions of robotic, racist followers who obey his every wish! He’s a danger to our democracy!”)

Yes, we hate Trump. No, Trump was nothing like Hitler. And we hate democracy, whereas Trump is a democrat (he keeps talking about how he won the 2020 election).
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2022, 07:45:55 pm »
Mainstream journalism finally pointing out the rightist failure to understand BLM that I have been pointing out for years:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/12/opinion/eliza-fletcher-memphis-violence.html

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“Say her name,” they tweet, as though there could possibly be an analogy between Ms. Fletcher’s death, allegedly at the hands of a man whom the Shelby County district attorney has characterized as a lone killer, and Breonna Taylor’s killing at the hands of the Louisville Metro Police Department.

When Fletcher is killed and Abston is promptly arrested, it shows that accountability is already occurring, therefore no one needs to say Fletcher's name.

When Taylor is killed and no one is arrested for years, it shows that accountability is not occurring, therefore everyone needs to say Taylor's name.

Rightists do not understand the above, therefore misappropriate the BLM slogan for their own use.

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“Say her name,” they tweet, as though Black women aren’t **** and killed every single day without making national news.
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the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation processed the DNA involved in Ms. Fletcher’s killing in a matter of hours because of a rush request by the Memphis Police Department. No rush request was made in the **** case from last year.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/police-rightist-bias/

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J.R.R. Tolkien

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One of its most interesting aspects was overlooked. The television series lingers over the fall of Númenor, the greatest civilization of man. A beautiful city with traditional architecture (made of white marble that drives journalists and academics crazy), the show stripped it of its mystique to fit its ham-handed political messages. The city as full of xenophobes worried about “elf-lovers” taking their jobs. However, Númenor is an important symbolic setting for Tolkien, about a people that is deceived into abandoning true religion for the worship of temporal power. In his letters, Tolkien linked this story of a collapsed civilization reclaimed by the sea to Atlantis. He admitted he was haunted by “the legend or myth or dim memory of some ancient history.”

The question of whether Tolkien’s writing was “for” Westerners is fiercely debated. He famously refused to work with a publishing house in National Socialist Germany after it asked for proof of Aryan lineage. In a letter to his son, Tolkien also called Adolf Hitler an “ignoramus” and accused him of “perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light.” Yet claiming Tolkien for the modern, anti-white Left is like claiming that the anti-Hitler views of Churchill or de Gaulle make them anti-racists. Certainly, Tolkien would have rejected the idea that only certain people are allowed to read or interpret certain stories, but would also have scorned the idea that whites — and whites alone — have no culture to be proud of.

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Tolkien deeply loved the literature and mythology of Europe, particularly that of the Anglo-Saxons, and was professor of Anglo-Saxon at Oxford. While the same endowed chair still exists, the International Society of Anglo-Saxonists has changed its name to avoid accusations of racism, and Cambridge is crusading against the very concept of Anglo-Saxons. Anyone who, like Tolkien, admitted to a particular love for “that noble northern spirit” would hardly survive in modern academia. However, his work has been grandfathered in and can be only subverted, not expunged. Tolkien’s work is one of few relatively recent cultural creations that derives entirely from European mythology and even now, despite attempts at subversion and even perversion, retains its beauty. Young readers, especially, should learn why this work has such an impact. Armand Berger’s Tolkien, Europe, and Tradition is up to the task.

Source :

Tolkien: The Homer of the Anglosphere - Gregory Hood, American Renaissance, December 15, 2023

https://www.amren.com/features/2023/12/tolkien-the-homer-of-the-anglosphere/

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Our enemies are completely wrong about Tolkien being a rightist. He was part of the Romantic movement arguing that the Renaissance should never have happened, which we agree with. In LOTR, Orcs represent the Industrial Revolution:

https://medium.com/literally-literary/isengard-represented-the-industrial-revolution-because-tolkien-hated-technology-6ed05430ecce

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In Middle-earth everything is in decay. And a new force is rising: the force of darkness. It becomes apparent, not only through orcs and Uruks, but through a will to supplant the old world. The method: modernization.

In both the movies and books we see Isengard, the home of Saruman the White, go from forest to factory. Why: to build an army for the dark lord Sauron, who is coming to claim the world. Where trees once rested, swords and armor are being forged deep in the earth. And in the midst of this is the enemy. Their tool of destruction is steel. And flames.

And the forest pays the price. Numerous trees are cut down and burned. Tolkien is showing that in order for this new, mechanical world to prosper, it must abolish the old one completely.
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the villains of the story (Saruman and co., Sauron) are associated with machines.
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Tolkien’s views reflect a hard look at modern society. England’s Industrial Revolution, the culprit, had lasted from 1760 to about 1870, creating a brand new system of labor, trade, and transportation. Rural life was fast declining in the wake of urban cities and factories. With the Industrial Revolution came a new wave of hazards as well: pollutants, sewage problems, sanitation, workplace injuries, and a plethora of various diseases.

whereas Hobbits represent an idealization of a clearly pre-Renaissance lifestyle, as I pointed out here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/wmds/msg100/#msg100

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(recall Tolkien's description of Hobbits: "no understanding of machinery more complicated than the watermill, forge bellows, and the hand loom")

This is how Tolkien wished Britain could have stayed instead of becoming the British Empire. I agree with him. Do not confuse Tolkien with his illiterate Eurocentrist fans (including Hood):

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6p3eke/in_tolkiens_work_orcs_represented_industry_and/

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Tolkien was an author traumatised by industrialised 20th century warfare, and there is definitely something of the industrialised military in his the portrayal of orcs - and especially of his portrayal of the orcs in Isengard.
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However, the authors and tabletop gaming pioneers following in Tolkien's wake didn't have the same theological compunction
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such writers fundamentally identify evil with stupidity and savagery
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Warhammer Fantasy Battle came to the tabletop, depicting orcs and goblins with bows and axes contrasted with humans and dwarfs with pistols and cannon

The difference between Tolkien and his illiterate Eurocentrist fans is the same as the difference between Hitler and neo-Nazis. The irony is that Tolkien himself confused Hitler with the neo-Nazi portrayal of Hitler (and hence disliking the latter thought he disliked the former).

Also, in real life:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_and_race#Opposition_to_racism_in_South_Africa

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Tolkien's son Christopher, training in South Africa, expressed concern about the treatment of black people at the hands of whites, and his father replied:[T 12]

As for what you say or hint of 'local' conditions: I knew of them. I don't think they have much changed (even for the worse). I used to hear them discussed by my mother; and have ever since taken a special interest in that part of the world. The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain & not only in South Africa. Unfort[unately] not many retain that generous sentiment for long.[T 12]

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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2024, 03:57:28 pm »
https://vdare.com/posts/pro-palestinian-vandalism-of-central-park-wwi-memorial-motivated-by-nihilism-anti-americanism

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Anti-Israel protester, 16, arrested for vandalizing Central Park WWI memorial
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So what kind of point were these vandals trying to make on Monday, defacing the memorial with graffiti and stickers of the Palestine flag?

No kind of point. They just wanted to show each other how bold they are in their hatred of the USA. Nihilism doesn't need any point or reason.

Actually, the point is to raise awareness that Jews were by far the biggest winners of WWI (in which the US fought on the wrong side):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

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The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British Government in 1917 during the First World War announcing its support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.

Immediately following Britain's declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, it began to consider the future of Palestine. Within two months a memorandum was circulated to the War Cabinet by a Zionist member, Herbert Samuel, proposing the support of Zionist ambitions in order to enlist the support of Jews in the wider war.
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The release of the final declaration was authorised on 31 October; the preceding Cabinet discussion had referenced perceived propaganda benefits amongst the worldwide Jewish community for the Allied war effort.
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The declaration had many long-lasting consequences. It greatly increased popular support for Zionism within Jewish communities worldwide, and became a core component of the British Mandate for Palestine, the founding document of Mandatory Palestine. It indirectly led to the emergence of the State of Israel and is considered a principal cause of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/israel/msg352/#msg352

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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2024, 07:40:38 pm »
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1792060470318473709?t=5_zoa7ypwXXqnuSWIQ76hw&s=19
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Same logic for the last 60 years. All disparities must have been caused by discrimination. John F Kendi.
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2024, 08:26:17 pm »
The implication is that if "non-whites" perform worse than "whites" in Western civilization under conditions where no one is cheating, it is fair because everyone is being judged by the same standards. Yes, everyone is being judged by the same standards. But no, that does not make it fair. The unfairness is that the standards are those of Western civilization in the first place.

Let's simplify it. If we take a cold-adapted person and a warm-adapted person:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/msg2459/#msg2459

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 and put both of them naked inside a freezer to see who survives longer, and as expected the warm-adapted person dies first, Hanania would consider it unfair only if the cold-adapted person was found to have been wearing a coat.