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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2022, 08:16:37 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dad-throws-body-over-sons-203752984.html

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Dad Throws His Body Over Son's to Save Him After Fall from Bull During Texas Rodeo

Rightist commenters:

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"A father willing to lay down his life for his son! ❤️," read one comment on the video.

"That's a hell of a Dad you got!" said another user.

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Gee, I guess people who engage in ritual torturing of an enraged bull sometimes get what the bull thinks they deserve.

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You should expect these sort of things when you torture animals.

Rightist commenters anticipating leftist commenters:

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Let's see if today's feminists label this father's brave action as "toxic masculinity" and proof that the "patriarchy must be smashed."  Fathers are the pillars in nuclear families that respect traditional roles.

To the extent that bullfighters are overwhelmingly male, yes, bullfighting is toxic masculinity. Bullfighters should never be allowed to be fathers; that is how patriarchy should be smashed.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg11033/#msg11033

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2022, 01:21:42 pm »
OOPS! Nikki Haley Says Party Over Morals
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Nikki Haley accidentally exposes that she will always put her party before morals.Jayar Jackson and Francesca Fiorentini break it down on The Watchlist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Sgf24j-lg

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2022, 08:17:58 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-criticize-biden-not-starving-193005865.html

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Republicans Criticize Biden For Not Starving Undocumented Immigrant Babies

Republicans criticized the Biden administration on Thursday for providing food to infants detained in its custody — effectively suggesting the babies should be starved because of their immigration status.
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Greene referenced photos of baby formula at a border facility, likely referring to a Washington Examiner article about immigrants detained at the border receiving baby formula amid a nationwide shortage. Nehls also tweeted a link to the article. The Examiner refers to the immigrants as a “lucky group” and cites posts by Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.) about “thousands and thousands of containers of baby formula” being sent to the border. Cammack said she received a photo of the deliveries from a border agent.
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The right has demonized undocumented immigrants for years, and the U.S. has a disturbing record of neglecting or mistreating children in its care. In one of the most infamous examples, former President Donald Trump intentionally split children from their parents in an attempt to dissuade immigrants from coming to the United States. For years, Republican lawmakers have blocked efforts to grant legal status to undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as kids. Republican politicians have suggested immigrant detention centers, including ones that lock up children, are too nice.

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2022, 12:35:37 am »
Here is a succinct example of our enemies' obliviousness:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2022/06/shes-gonna-blow/

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In summer children really could play great sprawling multi-block games of hide-and-seek after dark and no one worried. In high school in rural Virginia (I was there too) the boys had guns for hunting deer and shooting varmints in the bean fields and you could leave your .410 in the back seat of your jalopy in the school’s parking lot. Nobody thought of shooting anyone.

The deer and the "varmints" don't count?

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When two cultures have utterly different views of acceptable language, dress, behavior, study, and curricula, mixing them does not work. In the schools, academic standards fell. Discipline became a problem. Across America, cities burned because of conflict between black populations and white police. Euro-white culture, it turned out, was incompatible with Negro culture.

Which culture would the deer and the "varmints" prefer?

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2022, 08:48:26 pm »
Read this from our enemies:

https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/06/saving-the-planet-not/

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Warming is positive!

Bengtsson even sees very clear advantages in warming: For example, an ice-free Arctic Ocean would enable more fishing, facilitate sea transport and improve living conditions in Canada, Scandinavia and Russia

In short, "non-whites" must die from overheating as collateral damage in order that "whites" can initiate sustainable violence against fish on an even larger scale than they already do. A.k.a. it's OK for fishing to be "white".

Anyway, this is the real reason why rightists do not care about global warming. Not so much because they don't believe it is happening, but because they expect to benefit from it if it does happen.

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2022, 01:35:01 am »
While we wonder if shooting Western scientists and machinists may be the only remaining way to realistically stop:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

this is what rightists are discussing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVZgwgZqHRA

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2022, 08:18:54 pm »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/letters-editor-republicans-whine-anti-100009738.html

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Funny that some Republicans mock people aware of actual injustices suffered by racial minorities, but holler over the tiniest perceived slights against whites.
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Jean Guerrero’s column on how the GOP has changed from claiming itself "color blind" to whining about "anti-white" racism makes these Republicans sound a lot like the "snowflakes" they like to mock — as long as these snowflakes are people of color or others who’ve had actual injustices perpetrated against them.

As my 35-year-old daughter, now living in and loving Montana, asks anyone there who complains about the government and their white rights being trampled:

“What has the government actually done to you that’s so terrible? My Japanese American family was imprisoned in internment camps for three years, besides losing virtually everything they owned."

And our family got off easy compared to what other Americans have suffered for centuries.

It is both amusing and sad that the GOP has no empathy for those who were terribly wronged in the past and are still feeling its effects to this day, but it can’t handle Americans being expected to simply better understand and acknowledge racism in this country in order to right these ongoing wrongs.

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2022, 08:31:58 pm »
Debate with the rigthist White Nationalist on Discord group named "SocialismStation", the leftist Discord online group

Date : Thursday, 18th August 2022, 00 : 26 until 01 : 02 Jakarta Time



Explanation 1 :

I'm explained to a Discord account named "Willem#0538" that the Islamic people were justified to attack Europe during medieval and "renaissance" era, because they were "whites" and Jews whose behaviour was resulting colonialism. But he not answer my argument back, but only said anything which not related to the topic, that was showing that the European culture was "most educated"



Explanation 2 :

I'm explained to him that the "White Europeans" were wrong if they are "educated". I show to him that even they not aware the danger of capitalism and don't know how to integrate the multi-racial society. And I said that the muslims were fair on enslave people, all of people from any racial-background can be muslims's slaves. Different to how the "White Europeans" see who can be slaves and how they treated slaves. And I explained to him that the "White Europeans" only ended slavery because not moral reason, but economic and political reasons from the rise of slave's large rebellion during that time.



Explanation 3 :

I'm explained to him that indeed all groups of people commited slavery. But the racist slavery was uniquely only did by "White Europeans" during colonial era. And he kept saying that slavery were commited by all groups of people, which not relevant to my recent answer. And he uniquely justified the British's enslavement of the "colored" people in "Africa" during colonial era, because they are more weak. Even though I'm explained to him that the British can more simply invade and enslave the Dutch or Netherlanders. Which more weak from them if they want to have colonial territory and slaves. But he kept said that the British ever lose wars from Netherlanders which justified his support of British colonialism and enslavement to the people of "Africa". What a hypocrite man...



Explanation 4 :

I'm already explained the hypocrisy of "White Europeans" when they did war and enslaved their opponents. They only enslaved and tortured ruthlessly the "colored", but kept freeing "whites" and arrested them with ordinary ways. And I said to him that the British can searched the another European nations which more easy than them if they want to did colonialism and enslavement, but they don't, because the European nations which close to them are inhabitated by "White Europeans". And he kept saying the same argument, that they rather colonized the easy target that is the "colored" people, because they are more weak according to him. And I said that from knowledge which I'm knew, only Hitler who didn't hypocrite and instead he dare to order his soldiers to enslaved the people whose be his ancestors. And he began to rant on this current conversation, not answering with logical arguments anymore



Explanation 5 :

I explained to him that if the "White Europeans" were just during that time, they rather colonize and enslave their fellow "whites" rather than the other "colored" people. And he begin said anything rant to me without answer with knowledge arguments.



Explanation 6 :

He kept said to me that I need to learn history meanwhile he not acknowledge his own hypocrisy. And he said that the "White Europeans" ever enslaved their fellow "whites" through the event of "Ostkolonisation". And I'm answered it with argument that the "White Europeans"'s conquest of the Eastern Europe were not ruthless until doing slavery rather than their conquest colonialism to the whole "colored" people, and if the "White Europeans" colonized the Eastern Europeans like how they colonize the "colored" people. Then their plantations will be full of "whites" too, but the fact was not like that.



Explanation 7 :

And he kept rant to me. And I'm said again with argument that if the "White Europeans" were did according to "fairness" rather than the economic cause. They will attacked and enslaved their fellow "whites" first rather than spend much money to doing discovery to other far territories and colonized and enslaved the "colored" people. But the fact was the otherwise... And he kept said that colonize and enslave the "colored" people were the more easy target, and he said that there's nothing fair on slavery. Even though I'm already shown that there's more fair slavery than how "White Europeans" did slavery.



Explanation 8 :

I'm explaining again to him that the slavery which did by the "non-white Europeans" were not unfair as how the "White Europeans" commit slavery. And there's no segregration on Mongolian Empire too. And I kept said to him that I reject to support the Ummayad Caliphate, seeing that they are govern with Arab racialist ideology, not really based on Islamic teachings.



Explanation 9 :

He kept said that slavery was only European concept. Actually I'm from the beginning said to criticize the colonialist concept from the "White European"'s slavery. And he suddenly begin to pretend that he not supported the colonialist's slavery. But he already defended the "White European"'s slavery from the beginning of conversation with me.

This is the Discord account which I have conversation with

Account Discord named Willem#0538



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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2022, 12:23:55 am »
Debate with the Rightist on Discord Online Political Forum named "ShabbosGoyim"

Date : Sunday, 21th August 2022, 07 : 49 until 08 : 41 Jakarta Time



Explanation 1 :

I'm explained to him that the Jews were always worked together with the "White Europeans" during the conquest of colonization and economic oppression to the world. And I tell to him that if the "White European" nations indebted, then they are not prosperous today if compared to the rest of the world. And he answered my arguments with ranting only...



Explanation 2 :

I explained to him even though he said that the Jews were bring 14 millions "colored" people into slavery, the "whites" also helped them to did that. See how the "whites" and Jews worked together during their colonialism in the past... And I also said to remind him, that Israel was result of "whites"'s creation and assitance to Jews. And he only judging and rant to me again...



Explanation 3 :

Suddenly he wanted to be an Israeli soldier to assist the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) military organization to kill Palestinians. But previously he always show the Jews's colonial crime.

Discord Group "ShabbosGoyim"



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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #56 on: August 25, 2022, 12:25:39 am »
Debate with the Rightist on Discord Online Server named "Political Zone"

Date : Wednesday, 24th August 2022 17 : 34 Jakarta Time until Thursday, 25th August 2022, 17 : 26 Jakarta Time



Explanation 1 :

He considered that the Spain and Portugal "shaped the world" during colonial era from 1492 until 1800s. I answered him by statement that they commited racial and colonial terror, and also capitalism. And it was result of Western Civilization which invented by "whites" and Jews which also resulting colonial nation of Israel



Explanation 2 :

I explained to him that even though the Spain and Portugal did not helped creating Israel directly through their colonialism. They gradually helped the Jews gain power from allowing them (the Jews) work together with them during colonial era. So they paved the way to create Israel.

He also said that our people not forced to trade. And I answered to him that our homeland Nusantara forced to trade with the Spain and Portugal because their colonial soldiers forced us to trade the spices with sufficient amount for them without our consent. They terrorized us with their invasion and battles. It's also happened similarly to how the Dutch colonial people treated us with the same behaviour like how the Spain and Portugal colonialist behave. The result was colonialism for 350 years.




Explanation 3 :

He began to said that all people regardless of their "race" were commited extermination. And he gave the example with showing the historical killings by the "native aboriginal Australians", "Africans" and "Arabs".

And I answered him that only the "White Europeans" who commited segregated conquest or colonialism, enslaved people with specific racial category, and made machines which kill mass animals and peoples. And it's them who made Israel and NATO multi-national organizations which oppressed the world until today. Different to the "native aboriginal Australians" who didn't do anything like the "White Europeans" whom he liked and support. And I also explained to him that the "Africans" and "Arabs" did not enslaved the another people with specific "racial" category too like how the "White Europeans" behave.




Explanation 4 :

He said that something great/glorious doesn't have to be moral for all people. I answered him that the Jews of Israel will say the same thing if their accomplishment got questioned. And they will say that their achievement of making Israel don't have to be moral for muslims of Arabs.

He said that it was not fair to downlook the accomplishment of other nation only because your people didn't do it or it isn't moral. I said to him that was not fair if we justify European colonialism which conquer another peoples with segregration, and their action of spreading capitalist economic system and liberal ideology, and it's not fair if we justify Israel.




Explanation 5 :

He said that gentrification was out from the topic discussion. But I answered him that gentrification resulting many expensive places while the most workers naturally were low-paid workers. So it promoting social Darwinism which resulting competition and social distrust not social fairness...

And I explained to him that Islamic teachings, like other socialist teachings, must order the fortunate ones to gave some part of their wealth to the less-fortunates, or the lower-class people. If they not did that, the ruthless punishment will came to them. Because they keep perpetuate social unfairness and distrust.

And he considered the torture cannot be compared to the social unfairness. And I said to him that the social unfairness can feel torturous if he opened his feelings to the what less-fortunate ones's feel. And if the social unfairness was not worse than ordinary "torture", there will be no Haitian Revolution, Beer Hall Putsch, and Bolshevik Revolution




Explanation 6 :

He said that the Turks were on worst condition on 1683 while the Turks were almost conquered the power of Europe. And he said that the Turks were enslaved the Arabs, and made them revolt. And I answered him, that if Turks were oppressed and enslaved the Arabs, then there will be mass rebellions from them from early time during 1600s, not during 1919 when the Turks's caliphate got defeated. And I said to him that the Turks were enslaved people from all "racial" backgrounds, so they more fair than how the "White Europeans" enslaved the conquered people. And also I said to him that even the Nusantara people agreed to be part of Turks's Islamic caliphate during 1600s



Explanation 7 :

He said that me who was yelling, not actually him. He told to me to compete with him and his fellow "White Europeans". And I said to him that we don't want to compete, but want to destroy your power through mass-immigration from the "colored Afro and muslim people" to replaced the "white" people like him.

And he said that the "Arabs" who easily defeated by tiny Israel did not following Japanese and South Korea example who are allied with the West which advantageous to them. And I answered to him that we are not slave like them, we only want to destroy Israel and we also hate the South Korea and Japan today because they are Western's allies (Which slowing our victory against Israel and Western Civilization)

He said to me that I must rejected Islamism and autocracy which according to him "killed more faithful muslims". And I said to him that I'm not rejected Islamism and autocracy, instead I must order the Islamic people to not war each other with their fellows and instead work together to against the "White Europeans" and Western Civilization more ruthlessly more than what the fellow muslims did on 1683 in the past.




Explanation 8 :

He said that he liked and miss his glorious civilization, that was Western Civilization when it being strong and oppressive on it's peak. And I said to him that his sayings was the reason we must try to destroy the people like him, who embrace Western traditional Aristotelian civilization, which resulting terror, democracy, Judaism, and Israel, and liberalism.

And someone who helped him to debate me said to advice me to order to people to invest more on energy and nuclear rather than the petroleum to avoid easy possibility of economic crash. I answered him that we will do that, but the first way to do before achieve that is end the free-trade liberalism and more to implement guided-economic system which tend to socialist, or implement Islamic sharia economic system which forbade usury. And the important to do before do that thing is free ourselves from the nations who always disturbed and make us fail to achieve that goals, that's the nations of the West.

And he also said to me that the Egypt's new cities were only resulting extreme worthy minorities. And I answered to him that removing capitalism way of life from Egypt is the solution. And he said to me that I only blame anything bad because of Israel. And I answered to him that I'm gave thanks to him for remembering me to order the people to defeat the Israel and Jewish terror also.




Explanation 9 :

He said that he had grandmother who ever lived in Nusantara with her fellow "Dutch White Europeans" were treated the Nusantarans fairly and not segregrated according to him. He said that his grandma's father has 2 Nusantarans who assisted him on mechanical work. And he said that the Nusantarans were second class citizens on doing political voting and doing law working on the court, even though he said earlier that the Nusantarans "were not segregrated" by the "White European Netherlanders". And that happened before his grandma and her father got thrown to concentration camp by the Japanese soldiers during World War 2. And after the war they got expelled when the communist take over according to him. Actually it was the Nusantara nationalist's takeover if we saw the Nusantara history correctly.

And he said that the Nusantarans who worked with his grandma's father were keep gave them supplies when they imprisoned on concentration camp by the Japanese soldiers.


And, he said openly that he was not oppose Israel, but support Israel



Explanation 10 :

He explained that it was the Christian Europeans who destroyed the Israel. And I answered to him that he forgot that it was Europeans also who helped Israel created.

He explained that the Jews were allowed by Arabs during fall of Roman Empire, and worked together with muslims during the Crusade long war, they were allowed during Islamic rule, and they the Jews are keep muslims alive on Israel today... I answered to him that even though the Jews were allowed on muslim land during that time, they were discriminated because they are Jewish and prohibited to have power on Islamic land. But "White Europeans" let the Jews worked together with them and resulting enhancement of Western Civilization which terrorized the world with their own civilization.




Explanation 11 :

And I said to him that he glorified the Dutch Empire like how the Jews glorified Israel during 1948

He said that the Dutch colonial build our nations, not like the other nation's colonies in "Africa". I answered to him that his ancestors, the "White European Netherlanders" were discriminated the Nusantarans. They spread division among Nusantarans with their devide at impera tactics. Like how Jews on Israel spread false news to the entire muslim world to defend their reputation. And our "African" brothers, the Khoisan and "black" people in "South Africa" also hated his Netherland ancestors too.

He said also that their colonial ancestors were built running water and waste disposal. And I answered to him that we still hated your ancestors and expelled them out. And we can live without forced to use their material building for thousands years. (The correct word not "expulse" but expelled, apologize for a bit wrong word)

And I try to forced him to remember how the Hitler's troops invade Netherlands during 1940 with the map picture of Invasion of Netherlands




Explanation 12 :

And I said that I wish that what grandmother and her father experienced happened also to him, that is ever got imprisoned on concentration camp.

And he keep explaining what material bulding were build by the Netherland colonizers during their colonialism on Nusantara, I answered him back with showing that many battles were happened against the Netherland colonist people from 1596 until 1950. Like :

1. Battle of Bali
2. Diponegoro Battles
3. Acehnese people's battles against the Dutch colonist
4. Battle of Mataram (During the rign of Amangkurat I)
5. Battle of Batavia
6. Nusantara's Independence War
7. Bersiap Period
8. Netherlands's Military Agression 1
9. Netherlands's Military Agression 2
10. Liberation of Papua
















Explanation 13 :

I also explained that during the Hitler's troops invade and conquered Netherlands. The people of Nusantara were happy to see that thing and worked together with the fascist movements which recently exhibited on Nusantara. And even thousands of Nusantarans join the Nusantara's fascist movements to liberate Nusantara from Netherlands colonialism during 1930s until 1940s before absorbed together to work with the Japanese imperial integrationist rule. And during Nusantara's War of Independence, the remaining Hitler's troops who are stationed on Nusantara helped the freedom-fighters to fought the Dutch and British colonial soldiers during Battle of Surabaya on 10th November 1945. And during the Japanese imperial rule, the Hitler's troops assisted the Nusantara with gave them helmets, water bags, and cooking utensils

Source of historical knowledge from the Book "Jejak Hitler di Indonesia" by Hoorst Henry Geerken




Explanation 14 :

He said anything which consider me of doing "victim-mentality" which showing that the colonized people were victim. And I'm not feel ashamed of that and must do that in order to make the oppressors and colonizers keep to be held accountable. He not answered anything of my political, ideological, and historical knowledge with logical arguments anymore.

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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2022, 04:39:03 pm »
Is Freedom In America Just Freedom To Exploit?
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The GOP is promoting itself as the party of Freedom. But Freedom for who?

Will we continue to hold the notion that being free means getting lousy pay, no union, being broken by healthcare expenses and putting our kids to bed hungry? That “enforcing freedom” means LGBTQ people, racial and religious minorities, and pregnant women live in fear?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9VQdC90mMY