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Western civilization = sustainable evil
« on: July 03, 2020, 12:20:49 am »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bwZPIzuug

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Rightists frequently talk about how non-Western civilizations "hunted N species to extinction". Indeed they did, but perhaps they ended up inadvertently doing all those species a favour by making them extinct before Western civilization could get its sustainable hands on them and keep them going endlessly to be hunted over and over again for the pleasure of Westerners, with no possibility of escape*.

Truly, Westerners are created in the image of Yahweh.

(* Unless, of course, Western civilization itself dies. Which is what we are here to ensure.)

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Even caviar has been made sustainable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKqwBzQFRws

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Let's remind ourselves about egg factories, courtesy of Western civilization:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming#History

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The discovery of antibiotics and vaccines facilitated raising livestock in larger numbers by reducing disease. Chemicals developed for use in World War II gave rise to synthetic pesticides.
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The major milestone in 20th century poultry production was the discovery of vitamin D, which made it possible to keep chickens in confinement year-round. Before this, chickens did not thrive during the winter (due to lack of sunlight), and egg production, incubation, and meat production in the off-season were all very difficult, making poultry a seasonal and expensive proposition.
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At the same time, egg production was increased by scientific breeding. After a few false starts, (such as the Maine Experiment Station's failure at improving egg production) success was shown by Professor Dryden at the Oregon Experiment Station.[21]
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In 1900, average egg production was 83 eggs per hen per year. In 2000, it was well over 300.

Many things are not meant to be discovered. But Westerners do not care about this. And it is their victims who have to live with the consequences:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_cage

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Original battery cages extended the technology used in battery brooders, which were cages with a wire mesh floor and integral heating elements for brooding chicks. The wire floor allowed the manure to pass through, removing it from the chicks' environment and reducing the risk of manure-borne diseases.

Early battery cages were often used for selecting hens based on performance, since it is easy to track how many eggs each hen is laying if only one hen is placed in a cage. Later, this was combined with artificial insemination, giving a technique where each egg's parentage is known. This method is still used today.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling

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Chick culling is the process of killing newly hatched poultry for which the industry has no use. It occurs in all industrialised egg production whether free range, organic, or battery cage—including that of the UK and US. Because male chickens do not lay eggs and only those on breeding programmes are required to fertilise eggs, they are considered redundant to the egg-laying industries and are usually killed shortly after being sexed, which occurs after they hatch.[1] Many methods of culling do not involve anaesthetics and include cervical dislocation, asphyxiation by carbon dioxide and maceration using a high speed grinder.
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Prior to the development of modern broiler meat breeds, most male chickens (cockerels) were slaughtered for meat, whereas females (pullets) would be kept for egg production. However, once[when?] the industry bred separate meat and egg-producing hybrids, there was no reason to keep males of the egg-producing hybrid. As a consequence, the males of egg-laying chickens are killed as soon as possible after hatching and sexing to reduce losses incurred by the breeder. Special techniques have been developed to accurately determine the sex of chicks at as young an age as possible.

As of 2018, worldwide around 7 billion day-old male chicks were culled per year in the egg industry.[1]

Chicks are also culled in the production of foie gras. After hatching, the ducklings are sexed. Males put on more weight than females, so the females are killed, sometimes in an industrial macerator. Up to 40 million female ducks per year may be killed in this way. The remains of female ducklings are later used in cat food, fertilisers and in the pharmaceutical industry.[5]
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Several methods are used to cull chicks:
Maceration; the chicks are placed into a large high-speed grinder.[2]
Cervical dislocation; the neck is broken.
Electrocution; an electric current is passed through the chick's body until it is dead.[6]
Suffocation; the chicks are placed in plastic bags.[7]
Gases or gas mixtures; carbon dioxide is used to induce unconsciousness and then death.[2]

But the culled chicks are the lucky ones compared to those kept alive:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debeaking

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Debeaking is the partial removal of the beak of poultry, especially layer hens and turkeys although it may also be performed on quail and ducks. Most commonly, the beak is shortened permanently, although regrowth can occur. The trimmed lower beak is somewhat longer than the upper beak.

Beak trimming is most common in egg-laying strains of chickens. ... Beak trimming is a preventive measure to reduce damage caused by injurious pecking such as cannibalism, feather pecking and vent pecking, and thereby improve livability.[2]
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Opponents of beak trimming state that the practice reduces problem pecking by minor amounts compared to the trauma, injury, and harm done to the entire flock by beak trimming.
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In close confinement, cannibalism, feather pecking and aggression are common among turkeys, ducks, pheasants, quail, and chickens of many breeds (including both heritage breeds and modern hybrids) kept for eggs.
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Beak trimming was developed at the Ohio Experiment Station in the 1930s.[10] The original technique was temporary, cutting approximately 6 mm (1/4 inch) off the beak. It was thought that the tip of the beak had no blood supply and presumably no sensation. The procedure was performed by hand with a sharp knife, either when deaths due to cannibalism became excessive, or when the problem was anticipated because of a history of cannibalism in the particular strain of chicken.

Cannibalism is a serious management problem dating back to the periods before intensive housing of poultry became popular. Poultry books written before vertical integration of the poultry industry describe the abnormal pecking of poultry:

Chicks and adult birds' picking at each other until blood shows and then destroying one another by further picking is a source of great loss in many flocks, especially when kept in confinement .... The recommendation of the Ohio Experiment Station of cutting back the tip of the upper beak has been found to be effective until the beak grows out again.[11]

Cannibalism has two peaks in the life of a chicken; during the brooding period and at the onset of egg laying. The point-of-lay cannibalism is generally the most damaging and gets most of the attention. The temporary beak trimming developed at the Ohio Experiment Station assumed that cannibalism was a phase, and that blunting the beak temporarily would be adequate.
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In recent years, the aim has been to develop more permanent beak trimming (although repeat trimming may be required), using electrically heated blades in a beak trimming machine, to provide a self-cauterizing cut. There are currently (2012) four widely used methods of beak trimming: hot blade, cold blade (including scissors or secateurs), electrical (the Bio-beaker) and infrared. The latter two methods usually remove only the tip of the beak and do not leave an open wound, therefore they may offer improvements in welfare. Other approaches such as the use of lasers, freeze drying and chemical retardation have been investigated but are not in widespread use.[12] The infrared method directs a strong source of heat into the inner tissue of the beak and after a few weeks, the tip of the upper and lower beak dies and drops off making the beak shorter with blunt tips. The Bio-beaker, which uses an electric current to burn a small hole in the upper beak, is the preferred method for trimming the beaks of turkeys.[13] The Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) wrote regarding beak trimming of turkeys that cold cutting was the most accurate method, but that substantial re-growth of the beak occurred; although the Bio-beaker limited beak re-growth, it was less accurate. It was considered that the hot cut was the most distressing procedure for turkeys.[1]

In the UK, beak trimming of layer hens normally occurs at 1-day of age at the same time as the chick is being sexed and vaccinated.
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The costs of beak trimming relate primarily to welfare concerns. These include acute stress, and acute, possibly chronic, pain following trimming. A bird’s ability to consume food is impaired following beak trimming because of the new beak shape and pain. Most studies report reduced body weights and feed intake following beak trimming
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Beak trimming in the poultry industry usually occurs without anaesthetic at 1-day of age or when the chicks are very young, but can occur at a later age if an outbreak of feather pecking occurs, and in some cases, birds may be beak trimmed on repeated occasions.
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The beak is a complex, functional organ with an extensive nervous supply including nociceptors that sense pain and noxious stimuli.[23][24] These would almost certainly be stimulated during beak trimming, indicating strongly that acute pain would be experienced. Behavioural evidence of pain after beak trimming in layer hen chicks has been based on the observed reduction in pecking behavior, reduced activity and social behavior, and increased sleep duration.[25][26][27][28] In Japanese quail, beak-trimming by cauterization caused lower body weights and feed intake in the period just after beak trimming.[20] Beak trimmed Muscovy ducks spent less time engaging in beak-related behaviours (preening, feeding, drinking, exploratory pecking) and more time resting than non-trimmed ducks in the days immediately post-trim.
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Severe beak trimming, or beak trimming birds at an older age is thought to cause chronic pain. Following beak trimming of older or adult hens, the nociceptors in the beak stump show abnormal patterns of neural discharge, which indicate acute pain.[23][32][33][34] Neuromas, tangled masses of swollen regenerating axon sprouts,[35] are found in the healed stumps of birds beak trimmed at 5 weeks of age or older and in severely beak trimmed birds.[36] Neuromas have been associated with phantom pain in human amputees and have therefore been linked to chronic pain in beak trimmed birds.

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It has been shown that domestic hens have iron mineral deposits in the dendrites in the upper beak and are capable of magnetoreception.[34][35] Because hens use directional information from the magnetic field of the earth to orient in relatively small areas, this raises the possibility that beak-trimming impairs the ability of hens to orient in extensive systems, or move in and out of buildings in free-range systems.[36]

A further negative aspect of beak-trimming is that it leaves birds less able to groom themselves effectively, thus beak-trimmed hens have greater ectoparasite burdens than hens with intact beaks.[37]

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At approximately 16 weeks of age, pullets (hens which have not yet started to lay) are placed into cages. In countries with relevant legislation, floor space for battery cages ranges upwards from 300 cm2 per bird. EU standards in 2003 called for at least 550 cm2 per hen.[30] In the US, the current recommendation by the United Egg Producers is 67 to 86 in2 (430 to 560 cm2) per bird.[31] The space available to each hen in a battery cage has often been described as less than the size of a sheet of A4 paper (624 cm2).[32] Others have commented that a typical cage is about the size of a filing cabinet drawer and holds eight to 10 hens.[13][33]

Behavioural studies showed that when turning, hens used 540 to 1006 cm2, when stretching wings 653 to 1118 cm2, when wing flapping 860 to 1980 cm2, when feather ruffling 676 to 1604 cm2, when preening 814 to 1240 cm2, and when ground scratching 540 to 1005 cm2.[34] A space allowance of 550 cm2 would prevent hens in battery cages from performing these behaviours without touching another hen. Animal welfare scientists have been critical of battery cages because of these space restrictions[35] and it is widely considered that hens suffer boredom and frustration when unable to perform these behaviours.[36] Spatial restriction can lead to a wide range of abnormal behaviours, some of which are injurious to the hens or their cagemates.
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To reduce the harmful effects of feather pecking, cannibalism and vent-pecking, hens in battery cages (and other housing systems) are often kept at low light intensities (e.g. less than 10 lux). Low light intensities may be associated with welfare costs to the hens as they prefer to eat in brightly lit environments[37] and prefer brightly lit areas for active behaviour but dim (less than 10 lux) for inactive behaviour.[38] Dimming the lights can also cause problems when the intensity is then abruptly increased temporarily to inspect the hens; this has been associated as a risk factor of increased feather pecking[39] and the birds can become frightened resulting in panic-type ("hysteria") reactions which can increase the risk of injury.

Being indoors, hens in battery cages do not see sunlight. Whilst there is no scientific evidence for this being a welfare problem, some animal advocates indicate it is a concern.[40][41] Furnished cages and some other non-cage indoor systems would also prevent hens seeing natural light throughout their lives.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feather_pecking#Light_manipulations

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In turkeys, low light intensities (perhaps in combination with long light phases) can cause retinal detachment and buphthalmia, a distortion of the eye morphology that can lead to blindness.[42][43]

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Several studies have indicated that toward the end of the laying phase (approximately 72 weeks of age), a combination of high calcium demand for egg production and a lack of exercise can lead to osteoporosis. This can occur in all housing systems for egg laying hens, but is particularly prevalent in battery cage systems where it has sometimes been called 'cage layer osteoporosis'.[42] Osteoporosis leads to the skeleton becoming fragile and an increased risk of bone breakage, particularly in the legs and keel bone. Fractures may occur whilst the hens are in the cage and these are usually discovered at depopulation as old, healed breaks, or they might be fresh breaks which occurred during the process of depopulation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting

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Forced molting, sometimes known as induced molting, is the practice by some poultry industries of artificially provoking a flock to molt simultaneously, typically by withdrawing food for 7–14 days and sometimes also withdrawing water for an extended period. Forced molting is usually implemented when egg-production is naturally decreasing toward the end of the first egg-laying phase. During the forced molt, the birds cease producing eggs for at least two weeks, which allows the bird's reproductive tracts to regress and rejuvenate. After the molt, the hen's egg production rate usually peaks slightly lower than the previous peak, but egg quality is improved. The purpose of forced molting is therefore to increase egg production, egg quality, and profitability of flocks in their second or subsequent laying phases, by not allowing the hen's body the necessary time to rejuvenate during the natural cycle of feather replenishment.
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Commercial hens usually begin laying eggs at 16–20 weeks of age, although production gradually declines soon after from approximately 25 weeks of age.[2] This means that in many countries, by approximately 72 weeks of age, flocks are considered economically unviable and are slaughtered after approximately 12 months of egg production,[3] although chickens will naturally live for 6 or more years. However, in some countries, rather than being slaughtered, the hens are force molted to re-invigorate egg-laying for a second, and sometimes subsequent, laying phase.

Forced molting simulates the natural process where chickens grow a new set of feathers in the Autumn, a process generally accompanied by a sharp reduction or cessation of egg production. Natural molting is stimulated by shortening day lengths combined with stress (of any kind). Before confinement housing with artificial lights was the norm, the Autumn molt caused a seasonal scarcity of eggs and high market prices. Farmers attempted to pamper their flocks to prevent the molt as long as possible, to take advantage of the high prices. Modern controlled-environment confinement housing has the opposite problem; the hens are not normally presented with sufficient stress or cues to go into molt naturally. However, after laying almost daily for nearly a year, their rate of egg production declines, as does the quality of the eggshell and the egg contents. In addition, the hens are overweight.[citation needed]

It is sometimes claimed that forced molting is an artifact of modern intensive farming, but the practice predates the vertical integration of the poultry industry by decades; former Head of the Poultry Science Department at the University of Maryland, Morley A. Jull prescribes a precise molting program in his 1938 book, Poultry Husbandry.[4]
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For a complete recovery of the reproductive tract, the hen's body weight must drop by 30 to 35 percent during the forced molt. This is typically achieved by withdrawing the hen's feed for 7–14 days, sometimes up to 28 days.[5] This induces the birds to lose their feathers, cease to lay eggs and lose body-weight.[6][7] Some programs combine feed withdrawal with a period of water withdrawal. Most programs also restrict the amount of lighting to provide a daylight period that is too short to stimulate egg production, providing a simulated autumn, the natural time of molt and minimum egg production.

Remember: Westerners are created in the image of Yahweh.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2020, 12:28:01 am »
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Now the neocons are complaining that "non-whites" do not enjoy hands-on violence against animals enough:

themeateater.com/hunt/big-game/is-hunting-too-white

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Whether you see a hunter sitting in a treestand, crouching in a duck blind or bugling bulls on a mountainside, you can predict something with 91% certainty: You’re looking at a white guy of European stock.

You can also bet the guy has rural or small-town roots, and that he and his buddies are more passionate about hunting than any other demographic group sociologists can identify by race or ethnic heritage. In fact, researchers at universities and wildlife agencies have been documenting those details with little variance for decades.
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In the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s most recent participation study of hunting, fishing and wildlife watching, the agency found 11.5 million Americans hunted at least once in 2016. Of those hunters, 11.1 million—96%—were white and 3% were Hispanic. Blacks and Asians made up most of the remaining 1%, but at levels too low to pinpoint participation rates.
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“Our studies and other researchers’ surveys of African Americans consistently find that hunting and other outdoor recreation just isn’t part of their families’ heritage,” Duda said. “If it truly takes a hunter to make a hunter, the challenges look daunting. Few African-American families include someone to pass down a hunting tradition.

This is a good thing! They should be proud of it! Instead they are being shamed for it by Westerners.

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“We need more inclusiveness,” Dillard said. “If you’re a black hunter, and you watch TV hunting shows, or pick up an outdoors magazine or catalog, you feel intimidated when no one looks like you. The hunting industry has done a wonderful job including women and children, but I sense discomfort about including people of color.” John Annoni, founder and director of a hunting/conservation program in Allentown, Pennsylvania, has introduced over 6,500 urban students in grades 5 through 12 to outdoor activities since launching Camp Compass in 1994. The program helps students learn about conservation, outdoor careers and hunters’ philosophies.

Annoni said he wants students to learn to love the outdoors so much that no contrary attitude deters them from hunting, fishing and other outdoor recreation.

“I get to see a rainbow every day because I see a plethora of kids who never had a chance to hunt, but now want to hunt and like to hunt,” Annoni said. “But we can’t do it alone, and no company or organization can hire one outreach person and think they’ll reach all people of color. The ‘inclusive’ piece is still often missing from the puzzle.”

Annoni also said hunters shouldn’t be quick to congratulate themselves for taking their own kids hunting. “Taking your child hunting is your obligation,” he said. “You can’t pat yourself on the back for something you should be doing. We need long-term programs where hunters work as hard for kids as they do for habitat, elk, deer, ducks or turkeys. When we see two black kids hunting with three white kids on TV and on weekend hunts, that’s when we’ll start breaking down the fears and stereotypes that hold things back.”

OK, who wants to hunt Annoni?

Related:

www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/042549v1

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Vegans rely almost exclusively on endogenous synthesis to generate LCPUFA and we hypothesized that an adaptive genetic polymorphism would confer advantage. The rs66698963 polymorphism, a 22 bp insertion-deletion within FADS2, is associated with basal FADS1 expression, and coordinated induction of FADS1 and FADS2 in vitro. ... Analysis using 1000 Genomes Project data confirmed our observation, revealing a global I/I genotype of 70% in South Asians, 53% in Africans, 29% in East Asians, and 17% in Europeans. Tests based on population divergence, site frequency spectrum and long-range haplotype consistently point to positive selection encompassing rs66698963 in South Asian, African and some East Asian populations.

You think maybe this has something to do with it?

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I might as well repost these pictures of Western civilization:

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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2020, 12:43:22 am »
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www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/git-r-done-trump-opens-1-4-million-federal-acres-to-hunters-anglers

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“He’s basically said, ‘Git-R-Done,'” said Interior Secretary David Bernhardt, who is spearheading the opening of 1.4 million acres and elimination of 7,500 regulations limiting access.

“The president fundamentally gets that hunters and anglers are the true conservationists in our society. He understands that history and that we need to act in efforts to expand hunting and fishing while at the same time being respectful of private land rights, respectful of state law,” added Bernhardt.
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“Having those opportunities to succeed and fail made me more confident and made me more willing to accept challenges,” said Bernhardt. “If I lived somewhere where my parents had to drive 300 miles for me to hunt or fish, it wouldn’t have happened at all, though that might have been a lot better for my grades."

When he had young children in his first tour at Interior under former President George W. Bush, then-Secretary Dirk Kempthorne advised him to get a boat.

“He said, ‘You need to get a boat. The great thing about a boat, if you get your kids on one, even if they are with their friends, they’re stuck with you,'” Bernhardt recalled. And now, he added, his kids are hooked on the outdoors. “Exposure matters,” said the secretary, whose office sports a huge moose skull and antlers from an Alaska hunt.

(What is this obsession with getting kids to hunt/fish?)

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www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-hunt-pledges-to-scrap-fox-hunting-ban-claiming-illegal-practice-is-part-of-our-heritage/ar-AADOPzm

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Conservative leadership hopeful Jeremy Hunt has pledged to bring back fox hunting if he becomes Britain’s next prime minister.

The foreign secretary said the illegal practice was an important part of the countryside’s “heritage”, as he appealed to Tory members still to decide whether to vote for him or rival Boris Johnson.

A ban on fox hunting and other wild mammals was implemented in England and Wales in 2004 with legislation introduced by Tony Blair’s Labour government.

“I would vote to repeal the ban on fox hunting,” Mr Hunt told the Telegraph. “I would as soon as there was a majority in parliament that would be likely to repeal the fox hunting ban, then I would support a vote in parliament.”

“It is part of the countryside,” he added. “And we have to recognise that in terms of the balance of the countryside. You know, it’s part of our heritage.”

Yes, it is part of your heritage. This means your heritage is the problem.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_hunting

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Fox hunting with hounds, as a formalised activity, originated in England in the sixteenth century
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the earliest known attempt to hunt a fox with hounds was in Norfolk, England, in 1534, where farmers began chasing foxes down with their dogs for the purpose of pest control.[10] The first use of packs specifically trained to hunt foxes was in the late 1600s, with the oldest fox hunt being, probably, the Bilsdale in Yorkshire.[12]

By the end of the seventeenth century, deer hunting was in decline. The Inclosure Acts brought fences to separate formerly open land into many smaller fields, deer forests were being cut down, and arable land was increasing.[13] With the onset of the Industrial Revolution, people began to move out of the country and into towns and cities to find work. Roads, railway lines, and canals all split hunting countries,[14] but at the same time they made hunting accessible to more people. Shotguns were improved during the nineteenth century and the shooting of gamebirds became more popular.[13] Fox hunting developed further in the eighteenth century when Hugo Meynell developed breeds of hound and horse to address the new geography of rural England.[13]

In Germany, hunting with hounds (which tended to be deer or boar hunting) was first banned on the initiative of Hermann Göring on July 3, 1934.[15] In 1939, the ban was extended to cover Austria after Germany's annexation of the country. Bernd Ergert, the director of Germany's hunting museum in Munich, said of the ban, "The aristocrats were understandably furious, but they could do nothing about the ban given the totalitarian nature of the regime."[15]
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The hunt is often the setting for many social rituals, but the hunting itself begins when hounds are "cast" or put into rough or brushy areas called "coverts", where foxes often lay up during daylight hours. If the pack manages to pick up the scent of a fox, they will track it for as long as they are able. Scenting can be affected by temperature, humidity, and other factors. The hounds pursue the trail of the fox and the riders follow, by the most direct route possible.

Since this may involve very athletic skill on the part of horse and rider alike, fox hunting is the origin of traditional equestrian sports including steeplechase[74] and point to point racing.[75]

The hunt continues until either the fox evades the hounds, goes to ground (that is takes refuge in an underground burrow or den) or is overtaken and usually killed by the hounds. In the case of Scottish hill packs or the gun packs of Wales and upland areas of England, the fox is flushed to guns. Foxhound packs in the Cumbrian fells and other upland areas are followed by supporters on foot rather than on horseback. In the UK, where the fox goes to ground, terriers may be entered into the earth to locate the fox so that it can be dug down to and shot.[1]

Social rituals are important to hunts, although many have fallen into disuse. One of the most notable was the act of blooding. This is a very old ceremony in which the master or huntsman would smear the blood of the fox or coyote onto the cheeks or forehead of a newly initiated hunt follower, often a young child.[76]

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phys.org/news/2019-08-trump-administration-re-authorizes-cyanide-wildlife.html

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Trump administration re-authorizes 'cyanide bombs' to kill wildlife
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The devices, known as M-44s, which are implanted in the ground and resemble lawn sprinklers, use a spring-loaded ejector to release sodium cyanide when an animal tugs on its baited capsule holder.
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According to government data, M-44s killed 6,579 animals in 2018, including more than 200 "nontarget" animals including opossums raccoons, skunks and a bear.

"These numbers probably significantly under-estimate the true death toll since Wildlife Services is notorious for poor data collection and an entrenched 'shoot, shovel, shut up' mentality,"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WtJHbnJrfw

When did the rhinos involved (let alone the unborn rhino children) ever consent to any of this? But of course Westerners do not care about initiating violence against the individuals, only about preserving the species for future Western enjoyment.

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www.huffpost.com/entry/wild-hog-texas-golf-course_n_5d826b7ae4b0849d47225819
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Walton and his Lone Star Trapping team used dogs to corral the animal at Gateway Hills Golf Course on Sept. 12. He then wrestled it to the ground and hog-tied it.

He nicknamed the hog “Big Nuts” because, you know.

The hog was taken to a processing plant. Walton kept its head “for a keepsake,” he said.

His picture with the animal has gone viral.

“I’ve been doing this out of sight and out of mind for so long,” he told HuffPost. “Now everybody gets to see what we’re doing finally.”

The state is trying to curb its feral hog population.

Compare with previous post. When a species is low in number, proudly force animals to reproduce. When a species is high in number, just as proudly hunt animals down. This is Western civilization - the torture chamber from which there is no escape civilization of sustainability.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2020, 12:52:43 am »
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www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/09/invasive-fish-breathe-air-survive-land-georgia/3925881002/

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'Kill it immediately'
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An invasive fish has been marked for death in Georgia.

The Georgia Department of Natural Resources' Wildlife Resources Division confirmed someone found a northern snakehead in a pond on private property in Gwinnett County, marking the first time the invasive fish has been found in the state, according to the DNR.

The department's advice for what Georgia residents should do upon finding a northern snakehead, which can breathe air, is simple. First, residents should not release the fish. Secondly, "Kill it immediately (remember, it can survive on land) and freeze it."

Fishermen who find a northern snakehead should take pictures, note where it was caught and then report it, the Georgia DNR said in a statement.

“Our first line of defense in the fight against aquatic invasive species, such as the northern snakehead, are our anglers,” Matt Thomas, chief of fisheries for the Wildlife Resources Division, said in a statement.

“Thanks to the quick report by an angler, our staff was able to investigate and confirm the presence of this species in this water body. We are now taking steps to determine if they have spread from this water body and, hopefully, keep it from spreading to other Georgia waters," Thomas said.

Why? Because otherwise they might lead to the extinction of other fish species that anglers enjoy fishing. (It is for this reason that they are called an "invasive species" according to Western terminology. Meanwhile, the species - humans - that cruelly exploits any and all animals in the world it wants is not an "invasive species" so long as the exploited species are kept from extinction. Because, in the Western worldview, only species matter and individuals do not.)

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In other words, for the sustainability of anglers' recreational pleasure (and innocent fish's suffering), the following must be done to these special fish with superpowers (air breathing) who could put a merciful end to it all:

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Anglers are the ones who should be killed immediately. (Look at the angler's facial expression and pose. You are looking at Western civilization personified.)

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Further on the topic of so-called (according to Westerners) "invasive species", here is a video that highlights the contrast in perspectives:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ViOLgvsuY

The locals' attitude is the correct one. Species going extinct is fine; violence against innocent individuals (in this case hippos) is what is morally repugnant. Only Westerners justify the latter on the grounds of preventing the former. Rightists are entirely correct when they point out that conservationism (ie. prevention of species extinction) is a uniquely Western concern.

(I also find it amusing how much more physically neotenous is the local guy being interviewed (representing the non-Western perspective) than are the presenter and the biologist (representing the Western perspective) with their huge facial hair areas etc..)

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Right wing “environmentalism”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFOmx2CpwuU

Note: I absolutely support using the term “naturalism” to describe this ideology, in accordance with the host’s own preference of using the word to refer to himself.

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www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-circus-bear-attacks_n_5db2cfd3e4b0ea02257c45a4

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A bear in a Russian circus turned on its trainer during a show this week and was subdued with a stun gun, adding to the argument that wild animals shouldn’t be used for entertainment.

The 660-pound brown bear and handler Ruslan Solodyuk of the traveling Anshlag circus were doing a routine in Olonets involving a wheelbarrow when the muzzled bear pounced on him, NBC News reported Friday. With no barrier between the audience and the unfolding attack, spectators shrieked and could be seen fleeing in the video, above.

The bear pinned the trainer for a few seconds before another handler kicked the animal repeatedly and zapped it with a stun gun, The New York Times reported.
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Solodyuk told a Russian outlet that the bear, named Yashka, was not feeling well before the attack, but had not been violent before.

Many Russian circuses continue to ignore objections raised by animal activists over their use of bears for entertainment, the Times wrote.

In a June 2018 incident, a bear in a traveling circus jumped off its skateboard and attacked a staffer during a performance. Handlers beat the bear with sticks.

The circus is a Western invention (repost):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Astley

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Philip Astley (8 January 1742 – 27 January 1814) was an English equestrian, circus owner, and inventor, regarded as being the "father of the modern circus".[1][2] Modern circus, as an integrated entertainment experience that includes music, domesticated animals, acrobats, and clowns, traces its heritage to Astley's Amphitheatre, a riding school that Astley founded in London following the success of trick-riding displays given by him and his wife Patty Jones in 1768.[3] Astley's first competitor was equestrian Charles Hughes, who had previously worked with Astley. Together with Charles Dibdin, a famous author of pantomimes, Hughes opened a rival amphitheatre in London, which Dibdin called the Royal Circus and Equestrian Philharmonic Academy.[4][5]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circus#Animal_acts

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Animal rights groups have documented many cases of animal cruelty in the training of performing circus animals.[40][41] The animal rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) contends that animals in circuses are frequently beaten into submission and that physical abuse has always been the method for training circus animals.
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According to PETA, although the US Animal Welfare Act does not permit any sort of punishment that puts the animals in discomfort,[42] trainers will still go against this law and use such things as electric rods and bull hooks.[43] According to PETA, during an undercover investigation of Carson & Barnes Circus, video footage was captured showing animal care director Tim Frisco training endangered Asian elephants with electrical shock prods and instructing other trainers to "beat the elephants with a bullhook as hard as they can and sink the sharp metal hook into the elephant's flesh and twist it until they scream in pain".[43]
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In testimony in U.S. District Court in 2009, Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus CEO Kenneth Feld acknowledged that circus elephants are struck behind the ears, under the chin and on their legs with metal tipped prods, called bull hooks. Feld stated that these practices are necessary to protect circus workers.

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news.yahoo.com/video-boys-beating-deer-ripping-165953288.html

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In the video, which was reportedly filmed in Brookville, Pennsylvania, the boys can be seen kicking the buck in the face, ripping off its antlers and stepping on its throat, all while the animal is alive.
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Last week, President Trump signed a bipartisan bill that makes animal cruelty a federal crime punishable with fines and up to seven years in prison.
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The bill does not apply to people who kill animals for food or to those who hunt, trap and fish, however.

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www.thesun.co.uk/news/10533735/super-rats-us-cities-new-york-chicago/

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rat control campaigns can have a Darwinian effect on vermin populations in populous cities.

"If only the fittest rats make it through the control campaign, the survivors may be even better adapted to take advantage of the high-resource minefield of modern cities, leaving a new population of "super rats to breed and repopulate," he said.
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In 2017, New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio announced a $32 million initiative to kill rats, but it would only reduce the rodent population in the city’s most infested areas by 70 per cent, the Daily Intelligencer reported.
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An alcoholic rat-dunking device was unveiled in New York City in September.

The device, called Ekomille, baits rodents with food, then drops them through a trap door into a non-toxic alcoholic solution that knocks the rats unconscious and eventually drowns them.

Ekomille can hold up to 80 rat carcasses in its built-in bucket.

In short, the suffering of the individual victims never ends, while the survivability of the species ever increases (thereby ensuring the suffering of the individual victims never ends!). But what else do you expect from Westerners who mimic Yahweh in everything they do?

If only the Counterculture had lasted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvGEZ4S_SuY
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2020, 01:04:31 am »
OLD CONTENT contd.

Please stop calling meat factories "farms":

us.yahoo.com/news/distressing-footage-turkey-farm-pliers-gloucestershire-151751199.html

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Animal welfare group Viva! conducted a three-month investigation at Gravel Farm in Westbury-on-Severn, Gloucestershire.

The group claims its footage – taken between September and November – shows a worker dislocating the necks of two turkeys with a “neck crushing device”.

After crushing their necks, both birds appear to flap around in distress for several minutes.
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Dr Alice Brough, a veterinary consultant who watched the video, said: “What we see in this footage is incredibly disturbing and shows a categorical disregard for animal welfare.”
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"Our team witnessed appalling conditions, documenting the systematic abuse of farmed turkeys, whose shorts lives are filled with nothing but misery and pain.

"While some birds were ruthlessly killed with barbaric neck crushing devices others were left to die slow, agonising deaths from their injuries – all for the sake of Christmas dinner.
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Other harrowing parts of the footage show turkeys with open, bloodied wounds packed into filthy pens on concrete covered in faeces.

Viva! claims dying birds at the farm were found with untreated bloody wounds, causes by other distressed birds pecking out their feathers.

Dr Brough said: “We see extensive evidence of disease, pain and suffering on this unit. Feather pecking and cannibalism is widespread, and in some cases severe with raw open wounds, extreme swelling and bruising.

“This is despite the fact that the birds have been subjected to beak trimming mutilations in an attempt to curb this behaviour – a behaviour that stems from environmental conditions failing to meet the basic needs of the animal, indicative of poor welfare.”

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One thing I have noticed about Western Civilization is its consistent disregard for individuals. When taking this into consideration, I have no disagreement with the charge leveled against us by rightists for being “overly individualistic”.

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www.businessinsider.com/heres-a-picture-of-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-eating-an-iguana-2018-3
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But it's not an endangered iguana. Driscol told us it's an invasive species specially selected for the Explorers Club Annual Dinner at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square.

By eating it, members are hopefully made more aware of how they can help take pressure off animals threatened by invasive species.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZkFj9uPKXo

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When anthropocentrism goes wrong:

www.yahoo.com/news/father-9-old-daughter-mistaken-152553486.html

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A 9-year-old girl and her father were fatally shot while hunting on New Year's Day when they were mistaken for deer, South Carolina officials said.

Wednesday in Walterboro, a group of hunters were trying to move deer, also known as driving deer, the state Department of Natural Resources said in a news release. The man and his daughter were mistaken for deer and shot, the department said. A spokesperson declined to comment further on the incident.

Because we need uplifting news once in a while.

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Westerners just can't LEAVE ANIMALS ALONE, but instead have to behave like Yahweh (even their facial expressions look like Yahweh's FFS!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ-SfoUXgHs

The video is from 2009. Since then:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_giant_softshell_turtle#Rediscovered_individuals

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The scientists began preparing to mate the two once again in May 2009, which fell within this species' breeding season,[30] but in the fall of 2009, the zoo announced that despite laying 188 eggs, the eggs were infertile and would not hatch.[31] The Turtle Survival Alliance issued a statement explaining the infertility was due in part to the turtle's poor diet and the group expressed concern that the zoo's patrons had thrown trash into the turtle's enclosure that, if eaten, could endanger the health of the turtles.[31] On June 15, 2010, the female laid a total of 63 eggs. Half of the eggs were left in the sand to incubate naturally, while the other half were moved to incubate at varying temperatures and humidities. Once again, they were infertile.

In 2015 artificial insemination was attempted, a first for this species.[32] In May 2015, the female was successfully inseminated. Semen was extracted from the sedated male using electro-ejaculation. By late July, the female had laid 2 clutches of eggs, totaling 89 eggs, but none were viable.[33] The female of the last breeding pair died at Suzhou Zoo in China in April 2019, making the species functionally extinct unless a wild female is found.[3][4][5]

So they tortured the turtles all these years trying to get them to reproduce, literally until the female physically couldn't take any more. If Western civilization had never existed (or at least if the colonial era had never happened), all the above could have been avoided and the turtles could just have gone extinct at their own pace and in dignity. As it is, the Westerners still refuse to give up:

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As of mid-2017, conservationists are searching for any possible wild individuals in the remote parts of China. A major target of the survey are parts of the Red River in Yunnan Province. Locals in the area have reported seeing 1-2 turtles that have a similar description to that of this species, meaning that there is a small possibility the species may still survive in the wild.[34] In Oct. 2018, the Asian Turtle Program announced that it was interviewing local people to collect data to guideline searches for R. swinhoei in the very large area of flooded valleys formed by damming the Da River.[35]
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In April 2018, conservationists confirmed the existence of a second wild individual in Xuan Kanh Lake, Vietnam. The individual was photographed two times in 2012 and 2017, but both times the photograph was blurry and provided little confirmation of its identity. Using traces of the turtle's DNA in the lake's water, the specimen's identity was confirmed as R. swinhoei.[36] In Nov. 2018, it was announced that a second, smaller individual of R. swinhoei also lives in Dong Mo Lake

If the colonial era had never happened, the Westerners would not have such an easy time getting cooperation from the locals.....

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www.yahoo.com/news/2-elephants-escaped-circus-russia-152042409.html

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2 elephants escaped a circus in Russia and rolled around in the snow before being recaptured

And so the sustainable evil continued its sustainability.....

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Russkies are notorious animal abusers. I recall a video where Russkies gave a polar bear an IED for their own amusement..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF9IzuSYOkI

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Every year, more than 400,000 crabs are bled for the miraculous medical substance that flows through their bodies—now pharmaceutical companies are finally committing to an alternative that doesn't harm animals.

And for what exactly do humans need the blood of a living fossil? A sort of witchcraft, you might say, for it literally keeps people alive. Horseshoe-crab blood is exquisitely sensitive to toxins from bacteria. It is used to test for contamination during the manufacture of anything that might go inside the human body: every shot, every IV drip, and every implanted medical device.

So reliant is the modern biomedical industry on this blood that the disappearance of horseshoe crabs would instantly cripple it. And in recent years, horseshoe crabs, particularly in Asia, have come under a number of threats: habitat loss as seawalls replace the beaches where they spawn, pollution, overfishing for use as food and bait. Horseshoe crabs bled for the biomedical use in the United States are returned to the ocean, but an estimated 50,000 also die in the process every year.

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Courtesy of Western civilization:

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/lab-monkeys-infected-coronavirus-desperate-21559290

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Monkeys have been infected with a deadly form of coronavirus in a bid to find a successful vaccine for the current COVID-19 epidemic.
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More than 2,400 have been infected with the strain of the virus, which the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control estimate has killed 910 humans.

See also:

https://thehooksite.com/sick-footage-shows-monkeys-screaming-in-pain-during-animal-testing-at-german-laboratory/

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Courtesy of Western civilization:

www.yahoo.com/news/u-dairy-farmers-dump-milk-100952217.html

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"We need you to start dumping your milk," said his contact from Dairy Farmers of America (DFA), the largest U.S. dairy cooperative.
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Mass closures of restaurants and schools have forced a sudden shift from those wholesale food-service markets to retail grocery stores, creating logistical and packaging nightmares for plants processing milk, butter and cheese. Trucking companies that haul dairy products are scrambling to get enough drivers as some who fear the virus have stopped working. And sales to major dairy export markets have dried up as the food-service sector largely shuts down globally.
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Leedle has dumped 4,700 gallons of milk from his 480 cows each day since Tuesday. The 7,500-member DFA told Reuters it has asked some other farmers in the cooperative to do the same but did not say how many.
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Land O’Lakes Inc., another cooperative, has also warned its members they may have to dump milk. Another cooperative, Wisconsin-based Foremost Farms USA, was even more grim.

"Now is the time to consider a little extra culling of your herds," the cooperative said in a March 17 letter to members. "We believe the ability to pick up and process your milk could be compromised."



Background:

web.archive.org/web/20130506181359/http://www.vegsoc.org/page.aspx?pid=556

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Dairy heifers are first used for breeding at approximately 15 months old. The majority of dairy cows in the UK are impregnated by artificial insemination (AI). Bulls are first used for breeding from one year old and a single animal can father over 15,000 calves a year by AI. Pregnancy lasts approximately nine months (279 days) and so heifers will be around 2 years old when they first give birth. Cows are impregnated again 2 to 3 months after each birth (calving). As lactation lasts around 10 months the cow is simultaneously pregnant and lactating for 6 to 8 months during each calving cycle. Cows have a 6 to 8 week period between lactation ceasing and their next calving. Most calves are taken away from their mother within 24 to 48 hours. The cow is then milked for human consumption for around 10 months.
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There is a strong bond formed between the mother and her calf in the first few hours after birth, enforced separation is therefore a very traumatic experience for both(4).
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Milking occurs 2 or 3 times a day and it is fully mechanised. Selective breeding and concentrated feeds have meant dairy cows can produce ten times more milk than calves would suckle if given the opportunity. A typical dairy cow produces up to 6,500 litres of milk a year(6). Normally a cow kept with her calf would produce less than 1,000 litres of milk throughout the lactation period(7). This huge overproduction of milk has severe welfare implications for dairy cows and has resulted in a number of 'production' diseases.
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A cow’s natural lifespan is 20 to 25 years. By the time the dairy cow is just five years old she is worn out by the strain of constant milk and calf production and is slaughtered as she is of no further use to the industry.

NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz9M8bSKVDE

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Gentile blood memory:

www.yahoo.com/news/americans-turn-hunting-food-renewal-110932482.html

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Elliot, emergency manager at Holy Cross Hospital in Taos, New Mexico, had always wanted to go big-game hunting and, with the pandemic spreading, there seemed no better time to try to fill his freezer with free-range, super-lean meat.

So for the first time in his life, despite not owning a rifle or ever having hunted large animals, he put his name in for New Mexico's annual elk permit draw.

With some U.S. meat processors halting operations as workers fall ill, companies warning of shortages, and people having more time on their hands and possibly less money due to shutdowns and layoffs, he is among a growing number of Americans turning to hunting for food, according to state data and hunting groups.
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"People are starting to consider self-reliance and where their food comes from," said Forester of the hunter research and training group. "We're all born hunters."
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Teachers Brian Van Nevel and Nathaniel Evans get up at 4 a.m. to try to be first into the forests around Taos to hunt wild turkey.

Evans, a middle-school teacher, has seen a lot more people stalking birds this year.

A town councilor as well, he is hunting not just for food but to reconnect with himself at a time when he is guiding Taos' response to the pandemic as well as teaching online classes.

"Its been so important for me, being able to go out and kind of cleanse my mental card and just go and be present, you really have to be present, and quiet and listening," said Evans, 38, who in April shot a 17-pound (7.7-kg) bird.

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www.twincities.com/2020/05/06/wood-chippers-employed-to-help-compost-thousands-of-excess-hogs-near-worthington-plant/

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JBS announced last week it could euthanize 3,000 head of market-weight hogs per day because they couldn’t be processed before they grew too large for slaughter and packaging. The JBS plant in Worthington shut down temporarily because of an outbreak of COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, among workers at the plant. On Wednesday, it resumed operations but at reduced levels.
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“This is one of the ways we know that we can effectively compost and probably speed up the composting process,” he said

Crusan said they don’t yet know how many days it will take for the hogs to be fully composted, though it will be considerably shorter than the 60 days it takes for a fully intact carcass to be composted.

By the way, remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu785cJgG-w

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The sustainable continues:

us.yahoo.com/huffpost/amy-cooper-dog-returned-back-141214661.html

At least the comments are on our side.....
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2020, 01:17:20 am »
OLD CONTENT contd.

www.yahoo.com/news/trump-expected-allow-commercial-fishing-151704077.html

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump announced on Friday he will open up a 5,000 square mile conservation area in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of New England to commercial fishing.

The move allows commercial fishing to resume in the Northeast Canyons and Seamounts Marine National Monument, a sanctuary created in 2016 during the Obama administration. It also cancels a planned phase out of red crab and lobster fisheries in the area.

It's not just Trump who is at fault here for allowing fishing to resume, but also Obama for temporarily halting it so that victim populations were given time to build up. The two together enable the cycle of violence to be sustainable indefinitely. Hunting a species to extinction once and for all is infinitely less cruel than hunting it to the brink, then pulling back to allow recovery, then hunting again, without end. The latter is the Western way.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGatAW4oFYU

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"Being Carnivorous Part 1"

www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/becoming-carnivorous-part-i/

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I have been on the Carnivore Diet for about six weeks now. In case you don’t know, this is the anti-vegan, all-meat diet. It is being touted for health reasons, but is far more interesting for the personalities and politics behind it. Really, this just ought to be called the Dissident Right Diet.

Well, they pretty much just admitted it themselves I guess. No point in hiding your atrocious dietary habits that will create a whole host of problems.

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No prizes for guessing what our enemies are calling veganism now:

www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/dietary-marxism/

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Even before delving into Carnivore culture, I had suspected that it was going to be crypto-right-wing. I was wrong, however — but only about the “crypto.”
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Further, what if veganism is actually a one-way ticket to disease and even madness? It is when Carnivore and vegan collide that the political aspects of diet are brought out in bold relief. It is also when the Carnivore lifestyle begins to look like something much more than a prescription for healthy eating. It begins to look, in fact, like a political reaction against limp, soy boy effeminacy and the entire worldview that makes it possible.

As you might imagine, vegans are ever so slightly “triggered” by the Carnivore Diet. If ever they needed an archenemy, a Blofeld or a Lex Luthor, they found it in Shawn Baker. Baker is, in fact, the very embodiment of everything that is hated and despised by the sort of people who are drawn to veganism. He is a jock. He is ex-military. He is a powerlifter. He eats four pounds of beef a day and isn’t shedding any tears over Bossy the Cow. “Yes, it’s harsh to talk about animals as food,” Baker writes, “but ultimately that is what they are.” And if we go way, way back (in time and in the dark depths of the vegan soul) he is the guy who called them “fag” in the fifth grade and ridiculed their unprepossessing manhood when it got exposed after gym class. Their entire outlook on life is founded in ressentiment against the Shawn Bakers of this world.

I would also like to mention how my bullies used to try to sneak bits of meat into my school lunches when they thought I wasn't looking.

This is the photo of Baker our enemies included:



Note the primitive facial structure.

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At first, Baker was delighted to debate with vegans. But what followed was predictable:

Soon I realized that these people were completely invested in an ideology and would not be swayed no matter what facts were presented to them. I quickly found that when I asked, “Would you eat meat if it would improve your health?” the answer was always, “No!” To me, this response indicated complete irrationality; I muted and eventually blocked these people on social media because interacting with them became a huge waste of time and energy.

Because there exists something called ethics, something which Baker is evidently too primitive to understand.

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And then, right on cue . . . (wait for it, wait for it): “More and more vegans started attacking me; some even compared me to Satan and Hitler.” Of course, the irony of comparing Baker to Hitler is completely lost on these people: Hitler was a fanatical vegetarian.

So are our enemies calling Hitler a "Marxist" now?

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Baker’s analysis of veganism suggests that there is a high correlation between the diet and insanity. Of course, here we face a chicken and egg problem: did veganism drive them mad, or did madness lead them to choose veganism? I would suggest that it’s a bit of both: veganism tends to dramatically worsen the mental state of the fragile, life-denying weaklings who are attracted to it. (There are even vegans so insane they’ve tried to force the diet on their cats and dogs.)

And killing animals for their meat doesn't involve force?

Whereas feeding an animal vegan food is simply not requiring another animal to be killed in order to feed the first animal. It is a reduction of violence.

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Baker features a clip of a young Asian-American vegan who has smeared herself with feces.
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Baker’s comment about this wacko is priceless: “Okay, if you wake up in the morning and decide you want to cover your body and face in feces, clearly something is not right. I don’t know how many steaks it would take to fix this person, but it’s going to be a lot.”

Between smearing oneself in faeces (which is at least non-violent) and killing innocent animals (which is violent), which is worse?

Finally, regarding the stupidity of the term "dietary Marxism" itself:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Health

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Marx was fond of highly seasoned dishes, smoked fish, caviare

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And they are doubling down:

www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/the-politics-of-meat-dietary-anti-marxism/

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If veganism is dietary Marxism, is the Carnivore movement dietary anti-Marxism? I think that the answer is yes. Indeed, the whole Carnivore subculture smells deliciously Right-wing — like a perfectly grilled ribeye steak.
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Carnivore is also born of a viscerally negative reaction to the shrill, brittle weakness of vegan lefties. “Anything but that!” the diet seems to be saying, and so we are literally enjoined to do the exact opposite of veganism.
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An observer from a distant planet might think that while vegans are out to save the animals, the Carnivores are the guardians of the plant kingdom. Actually, Carnivores just don’t give a damn that something had to die in order to feed them — which is their real rebellion against veganism. Baker’s attitude, and the attitude of all the Carnivores, is that life is impossible without killing. The vegans are slaughtering vegetables, but for them, that doesn’t count because they claim to know that plants are not “sentient beings.” Years ago, Joseph Campbell exposed the self-deception of this when he defined a vegetarian as “a person who is not sensitive enough to hear a tomato scream."

No (I have actually treated plants as sentient beings ever since childhood), what makes veganism less violent is that we eat plants directly whereas non-vegans must use a larger quantity of plants to feed the animals which they themselves then eat, because the longer the food chain, the more thermodynamically inefficient it is. So even comparing only the quantity of plants killed, vegans kill many times fewer plants than non-vegans to procure the same food energy. (And on top of this the non-vegans kill the animals as well!)

aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/feed-vs-food.jpg

aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/Energy-waste.jpg

Furthermore, vegans who follow the Aryan diet based primarily on cereals do not kill the cereal plants, as the cereal plants are allowed go through their full life cycle in peace prior to being harvested (which is why the fields are yellow during harvest - the plants have already died on their own):

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As for the supposed "screaming tomato", picking ripe fruit does not hurt the tree (the reason why tomatoes turn red after ripening is to make them easier to spot and be picked; contrast this with animals who try to camouflage to avoid being spotted and hunted):

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my favorite Carnivore guru, hands down, is a guy named Tristan Haggard who operates a website and a YouTube channel called Primal Edge Health. Tristan lives somewhere in the backwoods of Ecuador with his wife Jessica and two children. They raise and slaughter their own food, and Jessica is the author of The Carnivore Cookbook. Tristan, who is a convert to Eastern Orthodoxy

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Spain’s 90,000 COVID-19-infected mink must die
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Spanish authorities are ordering the culling of nearly 100,000 mink following an outbreak at a farm where animals are bred for fur. The animals tested positive for the novel coronavirus along with seven workers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_smSkTA6MYI

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How would the humans like to be treated similarly? Not so much.

At least they're not getting skinned alive, another good point some one made.

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2020, 11:15:33 pm »
https://www.wisn.com/article/bears-are-not-billboards-group-upset-after-bear-found-with-political-sticker/33500436#

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The sticker, which appeared to be a President Trump campaign sticker, was found on the tracking collar of a bear in North Asheville, according to a Facebook post from the group.

"Bears are NOT Billboards," the post read, in part. The post said it was the second time a bear was found with a political sticker in Asheville in a year.

"Whoever put these political stickers on these bears is cruel and heartless," said the post. "HAB and our followers hope to stop and expose you."

Jody Williams, the group's founder, said this isn't political. He said it's wrong to put anything on a bear, regardless of what's on the sticker.

"It's just so wrong," he said. "Our wildlife is just so beautiful around here and I just can't imagine somebody doing harm to it like that, it's absolutely ridiculous."

So, which civilization invented telemetry?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemetry#History

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Telemetering information over wire had its origins in the 19th century. One of the first data-transmission circuits was developed in 1845 between the Russian Tsar's Winter Palace and army headquarters. In 1874, French engineers built a system of weather and snow-depth sensors on Mont Blanc that transmitted real-time information to Paris. In 1901 the American inventor C. Michalke patented the selsyn, a circuit for sending synchronized rotation information over a distance. In 1906 a set of seismic stations were built with telemetering to the Pulkovo Observatory in Russia. In 1912, Commonwealth Edison developed a system of telemetry to monitor electrical loads on its power grid. The Panama Canal (completed 1913–1914) used extensive telemetry systems to monitor locks and water levels.[4]

Wireless telemetry made early appearances in the radiosonde, developed concurrently in 1930 by Robert Bureau in France and Pavel Molchanov in Russia. Molchanov's system modulated temperature and pressure measurements by converting them to wireless Morse code. The German V-2 rocket used a system of primitive multiplexed radio signals called "Messina" to report four rocket parameters, but it was so unreliable that Wernher von Braun once claimed it was more useful to watch the rocket through binoculars. In the US and the USSR, the Messina system was quickly replaced with better systems (in both cases, based on pulse-position modulation).[5]

Early Soviet missile and space telemetry systems which were developed in the late 1940s used either pulse-position modulation (e.g., the Tral telemetry system developed by OKB-MEI) or pulse-duration modulation (e.g., the RTS-5 system developed by NII-885). In the United States, early work employed similar systems, but were later replaced by pulse-code modulation (PCM) (for example, in the Mars probe Mariner 4). Later Soviet interplanetary probes used redundant radio systems, transmitting telemetry by PCM on a decimeter band and PPM on a centimeter band.[6]

Same one as usual.....

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2020, 07:24:11 am »
Meet the hidden architect behind America’s racist economics

https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/meet-the-hidden-architect-behind-americas-racist-economics/

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June 6, 2020

Nobel laureate James Buchanan is the intellectual linchpin of the Koch-funded attack on democratic institutions, argues Duke historian Nancy MacLean.

Ask people to name the key minds that have shaped America’s burst of radical right-wing attacks on working conditions, consumer rights and public services, and they will typically mention figures like free market-champion Milton Friedman*, libertarian guru Ayn Rand*, and laissez-faire economists Friedrich Hayek* and Ludwig von Mises*.

---*[ALL Jews.]

James McGill Buchanan is a name you will rarely hear unless you’ve taken several classes in economics. And if the Tennessee-born Nobel laureate were alive today, it would suit him just fine that most well-informed journalists, liberal politicians, and even many economics students have little understanding of his work.

The reason? Duke historian Nancy MacLean contends that his philosophy is so stark that even young libertarian acolytes are only introduced to it after they have accepted the relatively sunny perspective of Ayn Rand.
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Buchanan, MacLean notes, was incensed at what he saw as a move toward socialism and deeply suspicious of any form of state action that channels resources to the public.
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In thinking about how people make political decisions and choices, Buchanan concluded that you could only understand them as individuals seeking personal advantage.
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His ideas developed into a theory that came to be known as “public choice.”

Buchanan’s view of human nature was distinctly dismal. Adam Smith saw human beings as self-interested and hungry for personal power and material comfort, but he also acknowledged social instincts like compassion and fairness. Buchanan, in contrast, insisted that people were primarily driven by venal self-interest.
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“Each person seeks mastery over a world of slaves,” he wrote in his 1975 book, The Limits of Liberty.

---[Must have read the Talmud and taken it to heart.]
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The people who needed protection were property owners, and their rights could only be secured though constitutional limits to prevent the majority of voters from encroaching on them
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MacLean describes how he trained thinkers to push back against the Brown v. Board of Education decision to desegregate America’s public schools and to challenge the constitutional perspectives and federal policy that enabled it. She notes that he took care to use economic and political precepts, rather than overtly racial arguments, to make his case, which nonetheless gave cover to racists who knew that spelling out their prejudices would alienate the country.
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unlike even the most property-friendly founders Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, Buchanan wanted a private governing elite of corporate power that was wholly released from public accountability.
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Buchanan’s ideas began to have huge impact, especially in America and in Britain. In his home country, the economist was deeply involved in efforts to cut taxes on the wealthy in 1970s and 1980s and he advised proponents of Reagan Revolution in their quest to unleash markets and posit government as the “problem” rather than the “solution.”
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In Britain, Buchanan’s work helped to inspire the public sector reforms of Margaret Thatcher and her political progeny.
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MacLean contends, the goal of these strategies is to radically alter power relations, weakening pro-public forces and enhancing the lobbying power and commitment of the corporations that take over public services and resources, thus advancing the plans to dismantle democracy and make way for a return to oligarchy. The majority will be held captive so that the wealthy can finally be free to do as they please, no matter how destructive.

---[The "Chosen" ruling by another name, YHWH hedging its bets?]
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Would they even refuse children clean water? Actually, yes.

MacLean notes that in Flint, Michigan, Americans got a taste of what the emerging oligarchy will look like — it tastes like poisoned water. There, the Koch-funded Mackinac Center pushed for legislation that would allow the governor to take control of communities facing emergency and put unelected managers in charge. In Flint, one such manager switched the city’s water supply to a polluted river, but the Mackinac Center’s lobbyists ensured that the law was fortified by protections against lawsuits that poisoned inhabitants might bring. Tens of thousands of children were exposed to lead, a substance known to cause serious health problems including brain damage.
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Buchanan was not a dystopian novelist. He was a Nobel Laureate whose sinister logic exerts vast influence over America’s trajectory.
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“The United States is now at one of those historic forks in the road whose outcome will prove as fateful as those of the 1860s, the 1930s, and the 1960s,” writes MacLean. “To value liberty for the wealthy minority above all else and enshrine it in the nation’s governing rules, as Calhoun and Buchanan both called for and the Koch network is achieving, play by play, is to consent to an oligarchy in all but the outer husk of representative form.”

Nobody can say we weren’t warned.

Very pro-democracy, however the author's points against moneyed oligarchy are worthwhile.

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2020, 11:18:20 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/oklahoma-state-university-bull-rider-111517917.html

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An Oklahoma State University college student has died after being bucked off of his bull during a bull riding competition in Texas.

What is with Westerners torturing cows for entertainment?



Of course the Old World version is even worse:

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2020, 12:04:26 am »
Not this **** again!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/horseshoe-crabs-vital-role-development-090024849.html

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Horseshoe crabs have a vital role in the development of a coronavirus vaccine. Here's why
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Jack Levin and Frederik Bang collaborated on horseshoe crab blood experiments. Their work led to a process that channels the almost magical force of the horseshoe crab's immune system, one that's helped the animal survive longer than most of the species that ever roamed the Earth or scurried across the ocean floor.
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The blue blood is its best line of defense. Cells essentially build a fortress in seconds.

Amoebocytes, a type of blood cell, can "detect any outside particle," Sasson said, and once they do, they spring into action, whether the enemy invader is in the bloodstream or a wound outside of the body.   

"How quickly the blood coagulated around the wound was amazing," he said. "Say you break off a piece of a claw. You'd see a little bit of blood for, you know, 10,15 seconds. And then it would stop because it would already have coagulated completely where the wound was."

But the next part is the worst:

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How to help the horseshoe crab
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The horseshoe crab population has been stable or growing for many years. The state keeps count, doing a random survey by trawling annually.
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Subsequent regulations and other protections have helped both the red knot and horseshoe crab numbers bounce back.

How to help the horseshoe crab? How about by ceasing to drain its blood FFS?! But of course Western civilization does not care how individuals are treated, but only that the species does not go extinct so that the individuals can continue to be exploited sustainably.

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2020, 04:52:19 am »
"Jack Levin"
Unsurprising

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Most of the meat on your dinner plate is the result of an industrial food system controlled by a handful of powerful multinational corporations. So how did Big Meat come to be? Listen to ‘Who Is?’ on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
http://go.nowth.is/WhoIsThePodcastS2

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2020, 01:18:08 pm »
Because we need feel-good stories:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/9-old-hunting-father-accidentally-162440221.html

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9-year-old hunting with father accidentally shoots, kills himself
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Gunnar Holte was pheasant hunting with his father around Branched Oak Lake in Lincoln on Sunday morning when the incident occurred, the Lancaster County Sheriff’s Office told KLKN.

That makes one fewer of these:



Of course, I must emphasize that merely waiting for our enemies to all shoot themselves is a losing strategy. Indeed, that we more frequently hear stories of them shooting themselves than of leftists shooting them is testimony to leftist apathy.
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