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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2021, 01:16:12 pm »
‘Ten years ago this was science fiction’: the rise of weedkilling robots
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The makers of robot weeders say the machines can reduce pesticide use and be part of a more sustainable food system
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/14/weedkilling-robots-farming-pesticide-use-sustainable?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Even with the massive amount of information out there now about how "weeds" actually increase soil health and effect the crops you are trying to grow in a positive way. How much energy did it take to build the robot and how much energy does it take to maintain the robot?

Westerners are so dumb. But hey, it gives them a chance to get one of their precious machines involved in something, even if it was completely unnecessary in the first place.

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Weeds Bring Nutrients to the Surface
Weed roots absorb nutrients and bring them up towards the surface of the soil where they are more easily accessible to other plants. Some weeds also produce carbon which can help with water retention and further increase nutrient levels and organic matter in the soil.
https://www.kellogggarden.com/blog/soil/how-garden-weeds-help-create-healthy-soil/

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2021, 10:32:21 pm »


I see Murder Westerners attacking innocent hornets.
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« Reply #77 on: September 13, 2021, 12:35:35 am »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/family-wild-boars-organized-cage-095900563.html

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A wild boar carried out a daring mission to free two piglets from a trap, demonstrating high levels of intelligence and empathy, a new paper published in Scientific Reports shows.

The incident, which occurred in January 2020, was documented by a team of scientists from the Czech University of Life Sciences at the Voděradské Bučiny National Nature Reserve.

The wild boar trap, which used corn as bait, had been set up to help researchers study prevention measures for African Swine Fever.

A camera captured images of two juvenile boars becoming entrapped together for two hours and 30 minutes.

A group of around eight wild boars eventually arrived at the site of the trap, led by one fully grown female boar.

In an attempt to free the trapped boars, the female boar charged at strategic points where wooden logs were blocking the doors of the trap.The report said the female boar's mane was visibly erect, known as piloerection, which scientists said is an indication of distress.

Researchers said that it appeared that the other boars were attempting to help the female with the rescue operation.

Within six minutes of beginning the rescue attempt, the female boar released the first log blocking the front of the trap.

The entire rescue mission lasted about 29 minutes, after which point the trap was released and the boars freed.




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Scientists believe this is the first documented case of wild boar demonstrating rescue behavior, which some consider a "complex form of empathy."

If the Western scientists themselves had enough empathy to not trap boars in the first place, they might have enough empathy to know without the need for experiments (as probably all of us here do) that boars have empathy. But they don't. So they will keep doing Western science instead. Until we kill Western civilization.

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« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2021, 11:50:49 am »
The cognitive dissonance of westerners makes my head hurt:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58627325
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Pig farmers fear they may soon have to start killing their animals because of a carbon dioxide shortage at abattoirs caused by soaring gas prices.

That’s literally what they‘re rearing them for. They’re just upset they‘ll have to do the deed themselves.

And because they’ll loose profits:

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On-farm killing means the meat is not something that would be able to enter the food supply chain. "It would be wasted," she said.


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« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2021, 12:14:49 am »
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-fined-60-000-feeding-135552604.html

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Woman fined $60,000 for feeding bears in ‘precedent-setting’ case
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Three bears that routinely visited the area were euthanized because they had become habituated as a result of illegal feeding and posed a safety threat.
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Visiting black bears exhibited no fear of humans and had become so conditioned to non-natural food that they were deemed ineligible for rehabilitation or relocation.

Says Western civilization, with its insane notion that food from humans is "non-natural food".
 
(In contrast, not so long ago:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58196663

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Some time in March 2020, a herd of about 14 elephants decided to leave this jungle paradise, heading north.
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Wild elephants are known to roam freely and regularly in the region, such that one city, Pu'er, even runs "elephant canteens" to feed their large visitors.
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Elephants are known for their voracious appetite, and so far they have wolfed down a staggering 180 tonnes of corn, bananas, pineapples and other food laid out for them.

And as we all saw, no harm was caused by the feeding.)
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« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2021, 10:52:04 pm »
Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern
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Called chimeras, these lab-grown creations have been hailed as a major scientific breakthrough. But some ethics experts see reason for worry
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Imagine pigs with human hearts or mice whose brains have a spark of human intelligence. Scientists are cultivating a flock of such experimental creations, called chimeras, by injecting potent human cells into mice, rats, pigs and cows. They hope the new combinations might one day be used to grow human organs for transplants, study human illnesses or to test new drugs.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/creation-of-first-human-monkey-embryos-sparks-concern-11619442382?st=3etd8c16d0twzrr&mod=ff_0521

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #81 on: October 22, 2021, 01:30:36 am »
An "endangered" crane killed 2 male cranes who wanted to mate with her and later bonded with a human instead. In return? The bird was r*ped so Western civilization could continue to derive pleasure from the knowledge that the species is being perpetuated...

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Walnut is rumored to have killed not one, but two male crane suitors in the past.

“That’s the story that came with her,” Crowe tells PEOPLE, “but we haven’t been able to confirm it. We definitely know other [zoos] have tried to pair her, and when we got her, we were told she killed two males who they tried to put with her, and the reason she was sent here is because we can do artificial insemination — but also because we can keep her separate from other cranes. She can see them, but she can’t actually fight with them.”

Like many birds, cranes mate for life, and Walnut — thought to have initially imprinted upon a human who hand-raised her as chick— has fallen hard for the soft-spoken zookeeper who was hired over a decade ago by the Smithsonian to care for her (and other zoo birds). And, according to research, birds who fall in love usually have more reproductive success.

“We both came here the same year, 2004,” says Crowe. “She was here a month before I was. I was assigned to be the primary crane keeper, five out of every seven days … I would take care of her every day, five days a week.” His prior work experience with whooping cranes helped him get the position, but according to Crowe, Walnut took a while to warm up to him.

“She did not like me right away. She was fairly territorial and [made] a lot of threat displays. She probably pecked at my foot and leg a few times initially, but she was a lot more approachable than all the other cranes,” explains Crowe. “All the other ones would step back and be a little more wary, whereas she would come right up to me. Over time — partly because I took care of her, and partly because she had imprinted on people in the past, she kind of just stuck with me and gradually became more comfortable with me being around in her pen and taking care of her.”

Eventually, Walnut stopped acting territorial and quit threatening Crowe, but he still couldn’t get too close to her — maybe only within a few feet.

“It took a while before I could train her to stand still and let me do the artificial insemination technique,” says Crowe. Yes, you read that right: the 42-year-old zookeeper has helped to facilitate the birth of seven chicks with the 37-year-old endangered bird.
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When she started warming up to me, she would do some of the crane courtship [rituals] which involve running around with the wings flapping, bobbing her head, jumping up and down, flapping her wings, and picking up crumbs or grass or flowers and tossing them in the air and catching them,” recalls Crowe. “When I recognized what she was doing, I did my best to imitate it. If I saw her bobbing her head, I started bobbing my head. If she was flapping her wings at me, I’d flap my arms as if they were wings. I’m sure I wasn’t doing it right for her, but she compromised, or put up with it, and it seemed to help us bond.”

After this courtship phase, Crowe eventually moved on to his artificial insemination efforts, which have helped to increase the endangered crane population.
https://people.com/pets/walnut-crane-zookeeper-chris-crowe-mate-for-life-smithsonian-zoo/

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2021, 11:00:28 pm »
https://www.vox.com/down-to-earth/22796160/invasive-species-climate-change-range-shifting

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t’s time to stop demonizing “invasive” species

Climate change is forcing some animals to move. Don’t call them “invasives.”

I too had been criticizing the uniquely Western concept of "invasive species" earlier:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg7287/#msg7287

Continuing:

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Ecologists expect climate change to create mass alterations in the habitats of these “range-shifting” or “climate-tracking” species, as they’re sometimes called, which will reshuffle ecosystems in ways that are hard to predict. The migrations are critical to species’ ability to survive hotter temperatures.
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“Invasive species” is a concept so ingrained in American consciousness that it’s taken on a life of its own, coloring the way we judge the health of ecosystems and neatly dividing life on Earth into native and invasive.
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For decades, invasion has been a defining paradigm in environmental policy, determining what gets done with limited conservation budgets. Species deemed invasive have often been killed in gruesome ways. Even though invasion biologists readily point out that many non-native species never become problematic, the invasion concept almost by definition makes scientists skeptical of species moving around.

Examples of those gruesome ways are available in this topic.

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Detractors said that merely linking climate-tracking species with invaders taints them by association. Range-shifters ought to be seen “not as invasive species to keep out, but rather as the refugees of climate change that need our assistance,

This. See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/climate-refugees/

No one here ever said climate refugees are limited to humans only.

So, most importantly. which civilization was it which came up with the stupid concept of "invasive species"?

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The origins of “invasive” species

“Invasive species” might feel like a firmly established scientific category, but invasion biology, which studies the impacts of non-native species, is a relatively young field.

British ecologist Charles Elton drew attention to non-native species in his 1958 book The Ecology of Invasion by Animals and Plants, arguing that there is a place, or niche, for every species on the planet where they’ve evolved to survive. Those that move, he believed, should be removed.

Yep, the same one as usual.

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Common starlings, for example, a species of bird native to Europe and parts of Asia and Africa, have become wildly successful as an introduced species in North America. They’re blamed for hundreds of millions of dollars in agricultural damage annually in the US, often eating grains in cattle feedlots, says Natalie Hofmeister, a PhD candidate in ecology and environmental biology at Cornell University. “That’s like a treasure for the starlings,” she says. The USDA Wildlife Services poisoned 790,000 of the birds in fiscal year 2020.

How about ending the breeding of cows for human consumption instead? Then there would have been no problem in the first place!

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The invasion model has a nativist bias

Some conceptions of invasive species’ harms are questionable.

For example, invasives can be considered a threat not only by killing or outcompeting native species but also by mating with them. To protect the “genetic integrity” of species, conservationists often go to extraordinary lengths to prevent animals from hybridizing

Sounds familiar.....

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Historically, the term has erroneously expanded to the idea of, “‘If you’re not from here, then you are most likely going to be invasive,’” Sonia Shah, author of The Next Great Migration: The Beauty and Terror of Life on the Move, said on a June 2021 episode of Unexplainable, Vox’s science-mysteries podcast. Conservation policies have been crafted around the idea that if something is not from “here” — however we define that — “then it is likely to become invasive, and therefore we should repel it even before it causes any actual damage,” as Shah says, which is part of the nativist bent that pervades ecological management.

This sounds familiar too.....

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What’s more, the very notion of “invasion” draws on a war metaphor, and media narratives about non-native species are remarkably similar to those describing enemy armies or immigrants. For example, a recent news story in the Guardian about armadillos “besieging” North Carolina described them as “pests” and “freakish.” It also gawked at the animal’s “booming reproduction rate,” an allegation that, not coincidentally, is leveled against human migrants.

I knew it! How many times have we heard rightists calling immigrants "invaders"?

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Many scholars have explored how anxieties about humans and nonhumans crossing borders, or going places where they don’t “belong,” map onto one another. “The fear of immigration is never isolated to humans,” writes science studies scholar Banu Subramaniam in The Ethics and Rhetoric of Invasion Ecology. “It includes nonhuman migrants in the form of unwanted germs, insects, plants, and animals.”

It is the same mentality.

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One important set of interests isn’t considered in invasive species management at all: those of the “invasives” themselves. Arian Wallach, an ecologist at the University of Technology Sydney who is well known for her criticism of invasion biology, calls invasive species “nothing less and nothing more than a curse word” used to demonize species and exclude them from moral consideration. She first began to question invasion biology after she moved for her PhD to Australia, which has some of the most militant invasive species management programs in the world, aimed at protecting the country’s own unique species.

“I started seeing conservationists blowing up animals with bombs, shooting them from helicopters, poisoning them, spreading diseases through them,” she says. Australia has shot feral goats, camels, deer, pigs, and other animals from the sky (a method also used in the US), and the country kills many small mammals with 1080, a poison that is widely regarded as causing an extremely painful death. Invasion biology, Wallach believes, is “a bad idea that’s had its run.”

Western civilization as a whole is a bad idea that's had its run. However it does not accept this. Therefore we have to kill it.

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Her work serves as a proof of concept for “compassionate conservation,” a movement that opposes the mass killing of some animals in an attempt to save others. A core tenet of this framework is to value animals as individuals with their own moral value, rather than just a member of a species.

This is what I have been advocating from the beginning.

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In a 2019 study, Wallach and a team of researchers pointed out that non-native species are excluded from world conservation goals. This creates situations where, for example, a species like the hog deer, a small deer native to South Asia, is endangered in its home range but hunted and treated as feral in Australia.

This is the kind of nonsense you end up with when you trust Western civilization to provide the answers.

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In Tierra del Fuego, at the tip of Chile and Argentina, a particularly dramatic novel ecosystem is taking shape. In 1946, beavers were introduced there in a futile attempt to create a fur industry. Instead, the animals proliferated and munched down the region’s Nothofagus — southern beech — forests, creating dams and ponds. “They are these miraculous world builders,” says Ogden, who wrote an essay imagining the beavers not as invaders, but as a diaspora. (Beavers have also been a boon for ducks and other marine species.) The invasive species paradigm, Ogden adds, is devoid of nuance, history, and politics; she prefers a concept that gives expression to the moral complexity of the beavers’ presence in South America, as well as the fact that they had no choice in being moved there.
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the idea of a diaspora opens up a way of thinking about what we owe the beavers, as opposed to how to expel them.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg9907/#msg9907

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After 75 years in South America, don’t the animals have a claim to living there? What right do we have to exterminate them?

We should exterminate Western colonialist bloodlines instead. If anything in the world supremely deserves the descriptor "invasive", it is Western civilization!
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« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2021, 05:07:11 am »
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British ecologist Charles Elton drew attention to non-native species in his 1958 book The Ecology of Invasion by Animals and Plants, arguing that there is a place, or niche, for every species on the planet where they’ve evolved to survive. Those that move, he believed, should be removed.

Which is absurd, since the organism would be living in the same niche (e.g. temperature range, wetness conditions, soil type, etc.), just in a different geographic location from where it first evolved!

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« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2021, 06:20:02 am »
This perfectly describes why Western conservationists don't want animals to go extinct. They might be deprived of the pleasure of seeing them. It's not good enough to have their bones, or recreations in museums, or their preserved dwelling with visible claw marks. Westerners "need" to see living, breathing animals for the sole purpose of satiating their own curiosity.

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I get so mad when I read about the ice age mega fauna. I missed seeing all of these really awesome animals by -this much-, geologically speaking. I mean, humans saw these things, and they weren't me.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/qvmzi0/these_tunnels_were_dug_by_a_giant_ground_sloth/hkxnd7u/

Of course, even extinction won't save these species from exploitation if technology gets advanced enough to clone them and bring them back to life like Jurassic Park. Luckily for the dinosaurs, I believe their DNA would be so degraded that this would not work--but it could be used on the giant sloths.

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« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2021, 10:52:26 pm »
"Westerners "need" to see living, breathing animals for the sole purpose of satiating their own curiosity."

This ties back into my earlier complaint about how YouTube is full of Western pet owners (many of whom describe themselves as "animal lovers") who put their pets (who of course never consented to it) in all kinds of deliberately engineered weird (and often stressful) situations just to see and record how the pets react. And YouTube lets them make money from this, which leads to them making more and more such videos, and more and more pet owners joining the trend.

(They do this with human babies/toddlers also. And again YouTube lets them make money from this.....)

I am tired of False Leftists presenting curiosity as a positive trait. Indeed, False Leftists frequently claim that one reason Trump is bad is because he "lacks curiosity". This is untrue, by the way. Someone who genuinely lacks curiosity would not want to try personally having sex with the same **** stars he watched in **** films. Indeed, I would say that Trump's mentality here is identical to that of conservationists who need to experience the living, breathing animals. Both are Westerners, after all. And does anyone dispute that Western civilization is the most curious civilization?
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« Reply #86 on: December 16, 2021, 07:41:52 pm »
A close up video of in vitro fertilization (intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI) method), showing the violent lengths Westerners will go through to spread their genes. The sperm and the egg don't even want to join each other, yet Westerners will forcibly stab the egg cell with a needle and inject the sperm cell into it.

Truly, this is one of the highest expressions of Yahwehism ever seen on this planet. When even the reproductive cells themselves just don't want to reproduce, they are not allowed to peacefully die, but are forced to create a new life.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/reoq0w/a_person_being_conceived_ivf/

All that money and violence just to avoid adopting an already-born child...

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Video of artificial salmon breeding (very gruesome):
https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/rerwxt/artificial_breeding_of_salmon/

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« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2021, 08:27:06 pm »
Which civilization introduced IVF? Same one as usual:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_in_vitro_fertilisation

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Prior to the development of IVF in humans, Walter Heape, a physician and professor at the University of Cambridge, was doing research on reproduction in animals. In 1891, Heape reported the first successful embryo transfer in a mammal.[1][better source needed]

And our enemies were just praising Cambridge (and other Western universities) here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9921/#msg9921

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As early as 1934, Gregory Goodwin Pincus and Ernst Vincenz Enzmann tried to perform IVF in rabbits. Although the pregnancy was successful, it was later determined that the fertilisation occurred in vivo (in the body).[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Goodwin_Pincus

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Gregory Goodwin Pincus was born in Woodbine, New Jersey to Jewish parents, who were immigrants from the Russian Empire.[2]

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« Reply #88 on: December 18, 2021, 08:45:35 pm »
https://nypost.com/2021/12/17/gucci-louis-vuitton-skin-reptiles-alive-to-make-pricey-handbags-peta/

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Louis Vuitton and Gucci are selling bags, belts and wallets made from snakes and lizards that were cruelly killed — some with their heads hacked off as they tried to scurry away — according to an explosive new investigation.

Some of the reptiles were bludgeoned repeatedly with a machete — with workers cutting off their legs even as the lizards floundered helplessly, according to hidden-camera video that captured the practices and was shared with The Post.

Other videos show snakes that were partially slit open, with hoses stuck down their throats to inflate them with water — apparently to make it easier to skin them alive, according to an investigation by animal-rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA.

“Because of their unique physiology, lizards do not die instantaneously after being decapitated and their brains can remain conscious and fully able to feel pain for over 30 minutes,” according to PETA.” The videos captured two instances in which lizards’ heads continued to move after they’d been hacked off from the rest of the body.

Their behaviour matches their decor:





And which civilization introduced handbags in the first place?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg5858/#msg5858
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« Reply #89 on: January 03, 2022, 08:20:46 pm »