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Avena_sativa

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Black Hammer
« on: May 23, 2021, 02:59:57 am »
https://blackhammer.org/

Rightists describe this group as “anti-white”

False Leftists frequently deride their members for promoting the correct assessment that Jews are indeed “white”

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2021, 04:24:46 am »
https://blackhammer.org/principles-of-unity/

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2.  We believe all Colonized Proletariat are equal; no matter gender, sexuality, age, skin tone, body type, location, religion, language, mental/physical differences and/or bi/multiracial identity.

This is worrying.....

Yep, as I guessed:

https://blackhammer.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Constitution-of-Hammer-CIty.pdf

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Article10. ​Hammer City is organized around the principles of Democratic Centralism
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The minority’s submission to the opinion of the majority. It is the duty of every element in Hammer City to sponsor this position and to defend and be fully committed to it

They say they want to decolonize yet promote a form of government spread around the world by the colonizers.....

They may be anti-"white" but they do not seem to be anti-Western. All non-Western civilizations in history were generally autocratic, and certainly none believed in qualitative equality between individuals. They do not seem to want to return to this. They also do not even seem to be aware that belief in equality prevents believers from treating people as individuals.

Are you willing to be an entryist into this group to try to shift their thinking over time?
« Last Edit: May 23, 2021, 04:30:08 am by 90sRetroFan »

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2021, 10:05:38 am »
I DMd @Avena_sativa about this. He said he was looking to expose the group to our ideas from the outside, rather than formal entryism by joining the organization. I advised him that he could do this by encouraging them to stop using Western terminology such as "Black", by pointing out it was "Whites" who invented the category in the first place. He noted that this may be possible, as they speak of "Black and Indigienous" as one group (what we would call "non-Whites") against "Whites" as opposed to promoting the "Black" category for its own sake. In this regard, I would say they are different at least from the "pro-Black" types, since it is impossible to be "pro-Black" and anti-"White". What do you think?
« Last Edit: May 23, 2021, 11:44:26 am by rp »

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2021, 04:40:28 pm »
Since the group is relatively new to the US leftist scene, I intended to expose them to our ideologically consistent anti-colonialist positions. I am wagering that if their leadership was already willing to make the jump towards seeing Jews as “white” without any True Left influence, other anti-colonial positions such as abandoning Western ideals like democracy should be possible (and even organically desired by members of their organization). Most of their justifications for those positions appear to be based on weak/inconsistent ideological concepts such as “Maoism” that I suspect are merely borrowed out of convenience from previous versions of anti-“white” anti-colonial organizations. This leads me to believe that simple exposure to True Leftist ideological consistency with respect to anti-Western sentiment could be sufficient to influence changes in those positions.

I hadn’t originally considered formally joining their group, but they do seem to be actively recruiting new members.

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2021, 04:44:48 pm »
Another strategy to get them to ditch democracy popped up in my mind: point out how most of the Cold-War era anti-colonial revolutionaries of the "third world" world mostly non-democratic.

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2021, 06:05:04 pm »
At first I was impressed by their anti-Jewish rhetoric, but I have a few grievances

1. They don’t allow white-passing people to join. White-passing people can only donate. I.e., they think that whiteness is something you’re born with.

2. It’s affiliated with Gazi Kodzo, and it feels like that guy’s sole purpose is to sour inter-ethnic relations with the kind of stuff that he promulgates (which is probably why he just so happened to be making the rounds all across the internet a few years back). He’s also heavily preoccupied with African heritage so he really doesn’t seem to be interested in giving up blackness or bolstering genuine, non-ethnic American identity at this point. Maybe he has changed since he last had the internet spotlight, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt in that area.

3. They need to hire a new person to run their social media. Almost every single tweet they post is vitriolic. It’s not a good first impression, because it doesn’t make them look like very pleasant people to be around and associate with.

These are only criticisms though, rather than outright condemnations. It might be fruitful to form a potential alliance and expose them to our ideas, but I’m not holding my breath, especially when Gazi Kodzo is a bigger fish than us, at least for now
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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2021, 10:34:59 pm »
This article is currently posted on the front page of the website also:

CNN Works With The CIA To Concoct Scare Tactics Against Russia
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This past Monday, u.s. intelligence pigs declassified a 15-page document entitled “Foreign Threats to the u.s. 2020 federal election”, which was immediately spoon-fed to CNN for a “breaking” story. The colonial media and u.s. state department are now working more closely together than ever before as the empire is crumbling, ramping up their propaganda machine to sell their blatant lies on “Russian interference” in the 2020 election.
https://blackhammer.org/2021/03/21/cnn-works-with-the-cia-to-concoct-scare-tactics-against-russia/

They are setting themselves up for the Duginist mind-trap also...

Our position on that article would obviously be: How is what the CIA is doing a bad thing?

They seem to be anti-imperialist as most false-leftists of the Abby Martin\John Pilger variety are. They do not believe Russia interfered in the 2020 election, even with Trump's proven ties to Russian Jewry and Putin himself?

I wouldn't be too surprised if they believe the CIA is evil just because it collaborated with "nazis" during WWII either....

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2021, 01:20:56 am »
"stop using Western terminology such as "Black""

The one I really can't stand is "African", which they unfortunately use all the time unaware of its flaming Eurocentrism. Please inform them that this is the only accurate meaning of Africa:



For comparison, this is Kush:



To call (for example) Azania "South Africa" is to let Westerners get away with a level of arrogance equivalent to that if we were to call (for example) Iceland "North Kush" (which of course we don't because we are not Homo Hubris).

"This leads me to believe that simple exposure to True Leftist ideological consistency with respect to anti-Western sentiment could be sufficient to influence changes in those positions."

Please report back to let us know how well they receive your message.

"They are setting themselves up for the Duginist mind-trap also..."

Well spotted! This is their worldview:

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The colonizers have already lost the war of ideas—Russia, Iran, China, and Colonized Nations all grow more united by the day. The influence of amerikkkan empire is slipping and its pathetic attempts to use the media as a mouthpiece to soften our revolutionary fire is doomed to fail.

Are they unaware that Russia was a Western colonial power (not to mention the one which has given back less of its stolen land than any other Western colonial power following WWII)?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/

America, on the other hand, can easily be reinterpreted as a victim of colonialism, which is already occurring as we speak, with Columbus Day being discarded in favour of Indigenous People's Day, etc.. America's true geopolitical destiny is to sincerely replace Russia's current insincere position as the ally of China and Iran. This is what Black Hammer as a US-based group should be working towards, not tearing down America out of petty spite (as Dugin wants to see happen).
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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2021, 10:21:24 am »
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Please report back to let us know how well they receive your message.

After sharing a link to our forum and asking the Black Hammer member who tried to recruit me to evaluate our own anti-colonial activism projects (and thereby consider how our own ideological positions differ), I still have not received any reply from the member after a period longer than 24 hours. I will continue to wait for a response
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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2021, 10:08:37 pm »
If they come to us asking for our help, it would be appropriate to simply point them to our information and waiting to answer questions.

But in this case we are pitching to them, which means we have to do more work. What I was expecting was at least a formal proposal listing one by one the ideological inconsistencies currently embedded in Black Hammer that would be cleared out by adopting our ideas. Absent such a proposal, not only is it hard for them to see what benefits we offer to them, but it is also hard for me to see how well you yourself know the benefits we offer to them!
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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2021, 01:28:50 am »
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If they come to us asking for our help, it would be appropriate to simply point them to our information and waiting to answer questions.

But in this case we are pitching to them


I should have made it clearer in my previous posts that this interaction occurred in the context of the Black Hammer member reaching out to me in an attempt to recruit me to join that group. Even though I had no actual desire to join, I wanted to at least share our projects (and positions) with her instead of just telling her I was uninterested. I would have liked to continue our discussion where it was going and direct it towards ideological positions, but at this point, she has read my initial invitations to take a look at our own accomplishments with respect to activism but has ceased responding. To me, this seems to indicate a disinterest with our own work, let alone our positions. Let me know what you think.

Regardless, I sought an evaluation of Black Hammer as a potential ally when I posted the organization’s information in this section, so I appreciate everyone’s feedback!

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2021, 02:10:51 am »
"Let me know what you think."

Over the years, I have also been on the receiving end of people trying to influence our movement to adopt their ideas. The only ones who have succeeded were those who put in the effort to write fully thought-out proposals in the format I described. The rest I ignore without even bothering to read their stuff, which is why I cannot blame others doing the same to us if we do not display the same presentational diligence that we require from others.

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2021, 04:39:08 am »
Yes. I would suggest specifically including the points discussed in this thread, namely Duginism, Western vocabulary, and democracy.

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2021, 07:13:24 am »
they think that whiteness is something you’re born with.

To be fair, "white" privilege is actually something you're born with and factoring it in when determining your entry level rank isn't any more unfair than factoring in particular skills of yours, at least some of which also depend on your genetic predispositions, i.e. something you're born with. After all, said "white" privilege can be weaponized against "white" supremacy in much the same manner as any actual skill can.

In this particular case, for example, tasking "white"-passing recruits with funding the movement makes sense, as they have an easier time scoring high income employment thanks to their "white" privilege. Given that "whites" are stereotyped as being more trustworthy than non-"whites", they can also be assumed to be more efficient at street-level fundraising and less likely to experience harassment while doing so. Even if the movement is funded through criminal activity or sex work, "white"-passing recruits would be the prime choice to carry it out, thanks to them being less likely considered suspects by the police, respectively the widespread idolization of "white" bodies (see the 'Reproductive decolonization'-thread).

In addition, by weaponizing their "white" privilege in that manner, the recruits in question prove that they are genuinely not seeking to benefit from it. In other words, allocating "white"-passing recruits such tasks is also a filter by which to distinguish those, who are really just "white"-passing, from crypto-"whites", who might be trying to infiltrate the movement.

The only thing that matters is that the contributions "white"-passing recruits make is valued as much as any other contribution and that they themselves are not looked down upon due to the manner in which they contribute, but are treated as full-fledged members of the movement who merely contribute in a different way than the rest. Also, individual circumstances still need to be taken into account. If a "white"-passing recruit is inefficient at funding the movement (to stay with that example) for whatever reason, but possesses skills that would make them useful in a different field, they of course should be used in that field instead.

That being said...

They seem to be anti-imperialist as most false-leftists of the Abby Martin\John Pilger variety are.

Yes.

https://blackhammer.org/2020/09/11/black-hammer-gets-interviewed-by-the-russian-press/

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Balts, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and others are not Colonized, people. They are citizens of puppet states ruled by America, which uses them as a tool to fight the proletariat.

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They are simply human tools that Western Imperialism used to use to divide the Soviet Union and today against Russia. The United Snakes of America sees these countries as military bases to encircle Russia and conduct anti-Russian propaganda. These states were not Colonized by the USSR, but, on the contrary, were liberated by the Soviet Union.

It only gets worse as the interview progresses:

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Angela Davis is an obedient servant of the Democratic Party.

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She once called Obama a radical … Obama, who killed more Colonized people with his drones and bombs than Trump.

So there we have it spelled out right in our faces. Prioritizing foreign policy issues over the domestic anti-racist struggle, Martin-Prysner style.

I wouldn't be too surprised if they believe the CIA is evil just because it collaborated with "nazis" during WWII either....

Remember that quote from above:

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These states were not Colonized by the USSR, but, on the contrary, were liberated by the Soviet Union.

Who ruled these states before?

Spoiler (hover to show)

Connect the dots!

All in all, Black Hammer leaves me with the impression that its main task is to siphon away support from the Democrats, thereby weakening the Squad as well as strengthening the Republicans (and thus, at least by proxy, Trump and Russia). Unless they adjust these points asap, they should be classed as an enemy organization.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2021, 02:49:16 pm by Dazhbog »

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Re: Black Hammer
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2021, 07:31:02 am »
Yes. This will make it clear whether they are just another kaneradbaren.
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