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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2022, 07:10:49 pm »
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Judaic Passages I Have Found In The Qur’an (Dr. Mustafa Khattab Translation)
1-Surah Al-Fatiha (The Opening): Ayat 2-3
2-Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow): Ayat 21-22, 28, 30-33, 35-41, 44, 47, 49-73, 80, 83-85, 87, 89-90, 92-93, 107, 116-117, 122, 125-133, 135-137, 140, 144, 146, 164, 171, 173, 196, 213, 215, 233, 246-251, 259-260
3-Surah Al Imran (The Family of Imran): Ayat 3, 6, 11, 33-41, 45, 48-50, 59, 67-68, 79, 81, 84, 95, 97, 100, 108, 119, 180, 187, 189-190, 195
4-Surah An-Nisa (The Women): Ayat 1, 11-12, 34, 44, 47, 51, 54, 97, 117, 125, 131-134, 136, 153, 163-165, 171-172
5-Surah Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread with Food): Ayat 1-2, 4-5, 12-13, 17-18, 20-27, 30-31, 40, 43-46, 48, 66, 68-69, 72, 75, 78, 95-97, 110, 115
6-Surah Al-An'am (The Cattles): Ayat 1-3, 12, 14, 18, 20, 34, 45, 59, 73-81, 83-87, 89-92, 94-102, 105, 114, 118-119, 121, 133, 136, 138-146, 151, 154-157, 161-162, 164
7-Surah Al-A'raf (The Heights): Ayat 10, 12, 19-22, 24-27, 35, 54, 59-72, 80-94, 103-145, 148-152, 154-155, 157-161, 163-164, 169-172, 189
8-Surah Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War): Ayat 11, 28-29, 48, 52, 54
9-Surah At-Tawbah (The Repentance): Ayat 70, 111, 114
10-Surah Yunus (Jonah): Ayat 3-6, 10, 22, 31, 61, 71-98, 103
11-Surah Hud (Hud): Ayat 6-8, 17, 25-60, 69-99, 110-111
12-Surah Yusuf (Joseph): Ayat 4-104
13-Surah Ar-Ra'd (The Thunder): Ayat 2-4, 12-13, 15-17, 38
14-Surah Ibrahim (Abraham): Ayat 2, 5-11, 19, 32-33, 35, 37-39, 41
15-Surah Al-Hijr (The Rocky Tract): Ayat 16, 19-23, 26-28, 49-86, 89-93
16-Surah An-Nahl (The Honey Bees): Ayat 3-8, 10, 12-18, 48-49, 52, 65-67, 70-72, 80, 98-100, 115, 120-124
17-Surah Al-Isra (The Journey by Night): Ayat 2-3, 12, 44, 53, 55, 70, 99, 101-104
18-Surah Al-Kahf (The Cave): Ayat 14, 26, 37, 60-80, 94-98
19-Surah Maryam (Mary): Ayat 9, 41-55, 58-59, 65, 67, 93
20-Surah Ta-Ha (Ta Ha): Ayat 4-6, 9-73, 77-98, 115, 117, 120-123
21-Surah Al-Anbiya (The Prophets): Ayat 4, 7, 16-19, 26-27, 30-33, 51-88, 95-97
22-Surah Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage): Ayat 5, 18, 28, 30, 33-37, 42-44, 53, 61, 63-66, 70, 78
23-Surah Al-Mu'minun (The Believers): Ayat 5-6, 14, 21, 23-42, 45-49
24-Surah An-Nur (The Light): Ayat 3, 21, 35, 41-45, 64
25-Surah Al-Furqan (The Criterion): Ayat 2, 6 35-41, 45, 47-48, 53, 59, 61-62
26-Surah Ash-Shu'ara (The Poets): Ayat 4, 10-140, 160-195
27-Surah An-Naml (The Ants): Ayat 7-44, 54-58, 60-65, 86, 88
28-Surah Al-Qasas (The Narration): Ayat 3-49
29-Surah Al-Ankabut (The Spider (female)): Ayat 14-18, 24-40, 46, 52, 61, 63
30-Surah Ar-Rum (The Romans): Ayat 17-27, 48-50, 54
31-Surah Luqman (Luqman): Ayat 10-17, 20, 25-26, 28-29, 31
32-Surah As-Sajdah (The Prostration): Ayat 23-28
33-Surah Al-Ahzab (The Confederates): Ayat 4-5, 7, 32, 52, 69
34-Surah Saba (Sheba): Ayat 2, 10-17, 20, 24
35-Surah Fatir (The Originator of Creation): Ayat 1, 3, 6, 11-13, 27-28
36-Surah Ya Sin (Ya Sin): Ayat 36, 38-42, 60-61, 71-73, 77-82
37-Surah As-Saffat (Those Ranged in Ranks): Ayat 5, 75-148, 182
38-Surah Sad (Letter Sad): Ayat 10, 12-14, 17-27, 30-48, 71-72
39-Surah Az-Zumar (The Groups): Ayat 5-6, 21, 38, 44, 46, 62-63
40-Surah Ghafir (The Forgiver (God)): Ayat 5, 8, 23-38, 41-42, 45-46, 53-54, 64, 67-68, 70-72, 78-80
41-Surah Fussilat (They are Explained in Detail): Ayat 9-12, 14, 37, 39, 45
42-Surah Ash-Shura (The Consultations): Ayat 4, 9, 11-14, 28-29, 33-35, 49-50, 53
43-Surah Az-Zukhruf (The Gold Adornments): Ayat 6, 9-13, 16, 46-56, 62, 84-85
44-Surah Ad-Dukhan (The Smoke): Ayat 4-8, 17-33, 38-39
45-Surah Al-Jathiya (The Kneeling): Ayat 3-6, 16-17, 22
46-Surah Al-Ahqaf (The Curved Sand-Hills): Ayat 3, 21-25, 33-34
47-Surah Muhammad (Muhammad (SAW)): None
48-Surah Al-Fath (The Victory): Ayat 4-7, 14, 29
49-Surah Al-Hujurat (The Dwellings): Ayat 13, 16, 18
50-Surah Qaf (Letter Qaf): Ayat 6-16, 38-42
51-Surah Adh-Dhariyat (The Wind that Scatter): Ayat 24-49, 56-57
52-Surah At-Tur (The Mount): None
53-Surah An-Najm (The Star): Ayat 31-32, 45-54
54-Surah Al-Qamar (The Moon): Ayat 9-15, 18-20, 23-24, 33-39, 41-42
55-Surah Ar-Rahman (The Most Gracious): Ayat 1-8, 10-12, 14-15, 17, 19-20, 24, 29
56-Surah Al-Waqi'ah (The Event): Ayat 20-21, 57-59, 69-73, 80
57-Surah Al-Hadid (The Iron): Ayat 1-2, 4-6, 10, 25-26
58-Surah Al-Mujadila (The Woman Who Disputes): Ayah 10
59-Surah Al-Hashr (The Gathering): Ayat 16, 24
60-Surah Al-Mumtahanah (The Woman to be examined): Ayah 4
61-Surah As-Saff (The Row or Rank): Ayat 5-6
62-Surah Al-Jumu'ah (Friday): None
63-Surah Al-Munafiqun (The Hypocrites): None
64-Surah At-Taghabun (Mutual Loss and Gain): Ayat 1-4
65-Surah At-Talaq (The Divorce): Ayat 4, 6
66-Surah At-Tahrim (The Prohibition): Ayat 4, 10-11
67-Surah Al-Mulk (The Dominion): Ayat 2-3, 14-15, 23-24
68-Surah Al-Qalam (The Pen): Ayat 48-50
69-Surah Al-Haqqah (The Inevitable): Ayat 9-12, 43
70-Surah Al-Ma'arij (The Ways of Ascent): Ayat 40-41
71-Surah Nuh (Noah): Ayat 1-28
72-Surah Al-Jinn (The Jinn): None
73-Surah Al-Muzzammil (The One Wraped in Garments): Ayat 9, 15-16
74-Surah Al-Muddaththir (The One Enveloped): None
75-Surah Al-Qiyamah (The Resurrection): None
76-Surah Al-Insan (The Human): Ayat 2, 17
77-Surah Al-Mursalat (Those sent forth): Ayat 20-23, 25-27
78-Surah An-Naba' (The Great News): Ayat 6-13, 33-34
79-Surah An-Nazi'at (Those Who Pull Out): Ayat 15-25, 27-33
80-Surah 'Abasa (He Frowned): Ayat 18-19, 36
81-Surah At-Takwir (Wound Round and Lost its Light): Ayat 4, 8-9
82-Surah Al-Infitar (The Cleaving): Ayat 6-8
83-Surah Al-Mutaffifin (Those Who Deal in Fraud): Ayat 25-28
84-Surah Al-Inshiqaq (The Splitting Asunder): None
85-Surah Al-Buruj (The Big Stars): None
86-Surah At-Tariq (The Night Commer): None
87-Surah Al-A'la (The Most High): Ayat 2, 4-5, 18-19
88-Surah Al-Ghashiyah (The Overwhelming): Ayat 15-20
89-Surah Al-Fajr (The Break of Day or The Dawn): None
90-Surah Al-Balad (The City): Ayat 8-9
91-Surah Ash-Shams (The Sun): None
92-Surah Al-Layl (The Night): Ayah 3
93-Surah Ad-Dhuha (The Forenoon): None
94-Surah Ash-Sharh (The Opening Forth): None
95-Surah At-Tin (The Fig): 1-2, 4
96-Surah Al-Alaq (The Clot): None
97-Surah Al-Qadr (The Night of Decree): None
98-Surah Al-Bayyinah (The Clear Evidence): None
99-Surah Az-Zalzalah (The Earthquake): None
100-Surah Al-Adiyat (Those That Run): None
101-Surah Al-Qari'ah (The Striking Hour): None
102-Surah At-Takathur (The Piling Up): None
103-Surah Al-Asr (The Time): None
104-Surah Al-Humazah (The Slanderer): None
105-Surah Al-Fil (The Elephant): None
106-Surah Quraysh (Quraysh): None
107-Surah Al-Ma'un (The Small Kindness): None
108-Surah Al-Kawthar (Abundance, Plenty): None
109-Surah Al-Kafirun (The Disbelievers): None
110-Surah An-Nasr (The Help): None
111-Surah Al-Masad (The Palm Fibre): None
112-Surah Al-Ikhlas (The Purity): None
113-Surah Al-Falaq (The Daybreak): None
114-Surah An-Nas (Mankind): None
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2022, 07:23:27 pm »
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Judaic Passages I Have Found In The Qur’an (Dr. Mustafa Khattab Translation)

I did that also during 2018. So, your works good. There's a gnostic meaning on the Al-Qur'an's verses, there's some verses have an Abrahamic meaning on it, and also opposition to Western Civilization on it, especially when the verses refer to opposition to the Jewish-Christians alliance and frienship, and also opposition to materialist doctrine

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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2022, 07:48:23 pm »
"Judaic Passages I Have Found In The Qur’an "

Post the text of each item in your list and highlight the suspected Judaic parts in bold. I will check to see if I agree.

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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2022, 09:35:23 pm »
"Judaic Passages I Have Found In The Qur’an "

Post the text of each item in your list and highlight the suspected Judaic parts in bold. I will check to see if I agree.

Actually, the ayat I have listed are the parts I suspect to be Judaic. I just posted the verse number. All you have to do is find a Qur'an and look up the listed ayah in each surah. For example, in the first surah (al-Fatiha), verses 2 and 3 are (presumably) Judaic. Therefore, you can just navigate to the listed verses and view them to see if you consider them to be Judaic.
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2022, 10:09:56 pm »
"you can just navigate to the listed verses and view them"

The point is for you to post it all in one place so that people can just read it without navigating to the listed verses by themselves, thus saving their time. That is what division of labour is about.


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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2022, 10:24:10 pm »
"you can just navigate to the listed verses and view them"

The point is for you to post it all in one place so that people can just read it without navigating to the listed verses by themselves, thus saving their time. That is what division of labour is about.
Very well.
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2022, 07:57:03 pm »
"you can just navigate to the listed verses and view them"

The point is for you to post it all in one place so that people can just read it without navigating to the listed verses by themselves, thus saving their time. That is what division of labour is about.

Done: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ic4Tc72ajpmvWkOIjn2p2LFfO254LigdqiZcYhJ4Jws/edit?usp=sharing
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2022, 08:48:02 pm »
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Ayat 2-3: ‘2. All praise is for God—Lord of all worlds, 3. the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,’

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Ayah 79: ‘It is not appropriate for someone who God has blessed with the Scripture, wisdom, and prophethood to say to people, “Worship me instead of God.” Rather, he would say, “Be devoted to the worship of your Lord alone”—in accordance with what these prophets read in the Scripture and what they taught.’

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Ayah 100-101: ‘100. O believers! If you were to yield to a group of those who were given the Scripture, they would turn you back from belief to disbelief. 101. How can you disbelieve when God’s revelations are recited to you and His Messenger is in your midst? Whoever holds firmly to God is surely guided to the Straight Path.’

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Ayah 119: ‘Here you are! You love them but they do not love you, and you believe in all Scriptures. When they meet you they say, “We believe.” But when alone, they bite their fingertips in rage. Say, O Prophet, “May you die of your rage!” Surely God knows best what is hidden in the heart.’

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Ayah 180: ‘And do not let those who greedily withhold God’s bounties think it is good for them—in fact, it is bad for them! They will be leashed by their necks on the Day of Judgment with whatever wealth they used to withhold. And God is the sole inheritor of the heavens and the earth. And God is All-Aware of what you do.’

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Ayah 195: ‘So their Lord responded to them: “I will never deny any of you—male or female—the reward of your deeds. Both are equal in reward. Those who migrated or were expelled from their homes, and were persecuted for My sake and fought and some were martyred—I will certainly forgive their sins and admit them into Gardens under which rivers flow, as a reward from God. And with God is the finest reward!”’

How are these Judaic?

(I have only reached the end of 3 so far. I may bring up more queries as I proceed down the document.)

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2022, 06:53:44 am »
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Ayat 2-3: ‘2. All praise is for God—Lord of all worlds, 3. the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,’
In my view, whenever the Qur'an praises Allah as the 'Lord of All Worlds' or 'the sole inheritor of the heavens and the earth', that implies that He created the heavens and the earth, which is a Judaic belief.

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Ayah 79: ‘It is not appropriate for someone who God has blessed with the Scripture, wisdom, and prophethood to say to people, “Worship me instead of God.” Rather, he would say, “Be devoted to the worship of your Lord alone”—in accordance with what these prophets read in the Scripture and what they taught.’
The 'Scripture' mentioned includes the Torah.

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Ayah 100-101: ‘100. O believers! If you were to yield to a group of those who were given the Scripture, they would turn you back from belief to disbelief. 101. How can you disbelieve when God’s revelations are recited to you and His Messenger is in your midst? Whoever holds firmly to God is surely guided to the Straight Path.’
See above.

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Ayah 119: ‘Here you are! You love them but they do not love you, and you believe in all Scriptures. When they meet you they say, “We believe.” But when alone, they bite their fingertips in rage. Say, O Prophet, “May you die of your rage!” Surely God knows best what is hidden in the heart.’
See above.
 
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Ayah 180: ‘And do not let those who greedily withhold God’s bounties think it is good for them—in fact, it is bad for them! They will be leashed by their necks on the Day of Judgment with whatever wealth they used to withhold. And God is the sole inheritor of the heavens and the earth. And God is All-Aware of what you do.’
See first response.

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Ayah 195: ‘So their Lord responded to them: “I will never deny any of you—male or female—the reward of your deeds. Both are equal in reward. Those who migrated or were expelled from their homes, and were persecuted for My sake and fought and some were martyred—I will certainly forgive their sins and admit them into Gardens under which rivers flow, as a reward from God. And with God is the finest reward!”’
With the 'male and female' aside, the Qur'an is acknowledging gender differences, which was done in the book of Genesis.
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2022, 05:00:42 pm »
"In my view, whenever the Qur'an praises Allah as the 'Lord of All Worlds' or 'the sole inheritor of the heavens and the earth', that implies that He created the heavens and the earth, which is a Judaic belief."

It does not imply what you claim. On the contrary, "inheritor" implies a time (prior to inheritance) when the world was not yet ruled by Allah, which would make no sense if Allah was the creator. Thus it actually implies that someone else (the one from whom Allah will inherit the world) is the creator.

"The 'Scripture' mentioned includes the Torah."

Where is this explicitly stated? If it is in another verse, then that verse could have been added, which does not invalidate this one.

"With the 'male and female' aside, the Qur'an is acknowledging gender differences, which was done in the book of Genesis."

I also acknowledge gender differences. You cannot cure a disease without first acknowledging it! That verse is merely saying that being victims of this disease will not prevent us from being treated fairly during judgement.

Before I continue checking, would you mind removing all verses lower down the document which you have included based on the same reasoning under which you included the verses above, and then posting an updated version of the document? Thanks.

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2022, 03:58:40 pm »
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Before I continue checking, would you mind removing all verses lower down the document which you have included based on the same reasoning under which you included the verses above, and then posting an updated version of the document? Thanks.
Done. You can use the same link I used previously; Google automatically saves any changes made in Google Docs.
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2022, 07:29:28 pm »
Also, you still haven't removed the following verses which I explicitly pointed out previously:

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Ayat 2-3: ‘2. All praise is for God—Lord of all worlds, 3. the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,’

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Ayah 79: ‘It is not appropriate for someone who God has blessed with the Scripture, wisdom, and prophethood to say to people, “Worship me instead of God.” Rather, he would say, “Be devoted to the worship of your Lord alone”—in accordance with what these prophets read in the Scripture and what they taught.’

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Ayah 100-101: ‘100. O believers! If you were to yield to a group of those who were given the Scripture, they would turn you back from belief to disbelief. 101. How can you disbelieve when God’s revelations are recited to you and His Messenger is in your midst? Whoever holds firmly to God is surely guided to the Straight Path.’

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Ayah 119: ‘Here you are! You love them but they do not love you, and you believe in all Scriptures. When they meet you they say, “We believe.” But when alone, they bite their fingertips in rage. Say, O Prophet, “May you die of your rage!” Surely God knows best what is hidden in the heart.’

I will continue checking after these have been removed.

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2022, 07:47:16 pm »
Done, but I just want you to know that you're allowing Judaic passages in the Qur'an. Qur'an 3:48 says so:
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Ayat 48-50: ‘48. “And God will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, 49. and make him a messenger to the Children of Israel to proclaim, ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a real bird—by God’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life—by God’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you truly believe. 50. And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of God and obey me.’
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2022, 08:08:34 pm »
I already explained:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/drafting-up-a-jamia/msg15285/#msg15285

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If it is in another verse, then that verse could have been added, which does not invalidate this one.

So I am not asking you to keep this verse:

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Ayat 48-50: ‘48. “And God will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah

but having removed this verse, a verse such as:

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Ayah 79: ‘It is not appropriate for someone who God has blessed with the Scripture

is fine because there is now no verse that implies "Scripture" refers to the Torah. Get it?

Moving on:

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Ayah 44: ‘Have you O Prophet not seen those who were given a portion of the Scriptures yet trade it for misguidance and wish to see you deviate from the Right Path?’

Same thing. Please remove this and all others lower down in the document that you previously included on account of the term "Scripture" alone.

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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2022, 08:39:12 am »
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Same thing. Please remove this and all others lower down in the document that you previously included on account of the term "Scripture" alone.
Done.
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