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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2022, 03:03:47 pm »
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Ayah 38: ‘As for male and female thieves, cut off their hands for what they have done—a deterrent from God. And God is Almighty, All-Wise.’

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Ayah 40: ‘40. Do you not know that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs to God alone? He punishes whoever He wills and forgives whoever He wills. And God is Most Capable of everything.'

These should already have been removed. I already asked you to do this here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/drafting-up-a-jamia/msg15285/#msg15285

and you assured me it was done:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/drafting-up-a-jamia/msg15291/#msg15291

So why am I still finding verses like these?

Also:

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116. And on Judgment Day God will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides God?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is hidden within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You alone are the Knower of all unseen. 117. I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship God—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things. 118. If You punish them, they belong to You after all. But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.”’

Why this one?
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2022, 04:25:42 pm »
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So why am I still finding verses like these?
Done. There was a synchronization error. I would also like to point out that Google Docs allows anyone with a link with Editor permissions to edit documents themselves, so feel free to make any changes to the document yourself. There were some verses that I couldn't remove from some of the passages to preserve full context.

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Why this one?
Wanted to have the entire passage for context. Removed.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2022, 04:48:12 pm »
"Done."

Are you sure?

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Ayat 12-14: ‘12. Ask them, O Prophet, “To whom belongs everything in the heavens and the earth?” Say, “To God!” He has taken upon Himself to be Merciful. He will certainly gather all of you together for the Day of Judgment—about which there is no doubt. But those who have ruined themselves will never believe. 13. To Him belongs whatever exists in the day and night. And He is the All-Hearing, All- Knowing.

If it was really done, I would not have found this verse. Try again.

"feel free to make any changes to the document yourself."

The point of me checking your work in public is to expose the poor work ethic that has hampered our movement year after year. Now everyone can understand how it literally takes me more time to help volunteers do the work assigned to them than it would have taken me to do the same work myself, which is the opposite of what division of labour should be about.

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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2022, 08:05:14 pm »
Removed.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2022, 08:14:20 pm »
"Removed."

And then immediately I found:

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Ayat 59: ‘With Him are the keys of the unseen—no one knows them except Him. And He knows what is in the land and sea. Not even a leaf falls without His knowledge, nor a grain in the darkness of the earth or anything—green or dry—but is written in a perfect Record.’

The point is not for me to point out one by one which verses need to be removed, but for me to point out a certain line of reasoning for removal and then for you to remove all the verses in the document which fall under that same line of reasoning. Please make sure I don't find any more after this one before replying again.


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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2022, 07:44:18 am »
Removed, still looking.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2022, 09:06:41 am »
@90sRetroFan Would you consider a verse like this:
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To Allah alone bow down in submission all those in the heavens and the earth—willingly or unwillingly—as do their shadows, morning and evening.
To be Judaic?
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2022, 10:52:34 am »
OK, I went through the entire document and removed the requested verses, but there were some I couldn't remove (e.g. Qur'an 41:9) because they were either in the same verse as a Judaic passage or their removal would've also removed the context of the passage, so instead of deleting those verses altogether, I have disemboldened them. Please let me know if there are any I missed.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2022, 05:23:29 pm »
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@90sRetroFan Would you consider a verse like this:

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    To Allah alone bow down in submission all those in the heavens and the earth—willingly or unwillingly—as do their shadows, morning and evening.

To be Judaic?

Not necessarily Judaic, but not necessarily Mohammedan either. We can get back to this after we have removed all the Judaic verses first.

"Please let me know if there are any I missed."

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Ayah 11: ‘Remember when He caused drowsiness to overcome you, giving you serenity. And He sent down rain from the sky to purify you, free you from Satan’s whispers, strengthen your hearts, and make your steps firm.’

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Ayah 48: ‘And remember when Satan made their evil deeds appealing to them, and said, “No one can overcome you today. I am surely by your side.” But when the two forces faced off, he cowered and said, “I have absolutely nothing to do with you. I certainly see what you do not see. I truly fear Allah, for Allah is severe in punishment.”’

I am sure there are more. Please try to find them yourself.

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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2022, 08:59:02 pm »
I'll keep looking. I'll also post suggestions for passages slated for deletion.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2022, 06:31:14 pm »
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Surah 10:22: ‘He is the One Who enables you to travel through land and sea. And it so happens that you are on ships, sailing with a favorable wind, to the passengers’ delight. Suddenly, the ships are overcome by a gale wind and those on board are overwhelmed by waves from every side, and they assume they are doomed. They cry out to Allah alone in sincere devotion, “If You save us from this, we will certainly be grateful.”’

Surah 13:38: ‘We have certainly sent messengers before you O Prophet and blessed them with wives and offspring. It was not for any messenger to bring a sign without Allah’s permission. Every destined matter has a set time.’

Surah 15:34-44: 'Allah commanded, “Then get out of Paradise, for you are truly cursed. 35. And surely upon you is condemnation until the Day of Judgment.” 36. Satan appealed, “My Lord! Then delay my end until the Day of their resurrection.” 37. Allah said, “You will be delayed 38. until the appointed Day.” 39. Satan responded, “My Lord! For allowing me to stray I will surely tempt them on earth and mislead them all together, 40. except Your chosen servants among them.” 41. Allah said, “This is the Way, binding on Me: 42. you will certainly have no authority over My servants, except the deviant who follow you, 43. and surely Hell is their destined place, all together. 44. It has seven gates, to each a group of them is designated.”’

Surah 16:10: He is the One Who sends down rain from the sky, from which you drink and by which plants grow for your cattle to graze.

Surah 16:49: And to Allah alone bows down in submission whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of living creatures, as do the angels— who are not too proud to do so.

Surah 16:65: And Allah sends down rain from the sky, giving life to the earth after its death. Surely in this is a sign for those who listen.

Surah 16:98: When you recite the Qur'an, seek refuge with Allah from Satan, the accursed.

Surah 17:53: ‘Tell My believing servants to say only what is best. Satan certainly seeks to sow discord among them. Satan is indeed a sworn enemy to humankind.’

Surah 21:95-97: ‘95. It is impossible for a society which We have destroyed to ever rise again, 96. until after Gog and Magog have broken loose from the barrier, swarming down from every hill, 97. ushering in the True Promise. Then—behold!—the disbelievers will stare in horror, crying, “Oh, woe to us! We have truly been heedless of this. In fact, we have been wrongdoers.”’

Surah 22:52-53: ‘52. Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet before you O Prophet and he recited Our revelations, Satan would influence people’s understanding of his recitation. But eventually Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah would firmly establish His revelations. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. 53. All that so He may make Satan’s influence a trial for those hypocrites whose hearts are sick and those disbelievers whose hearts are hardened. Surely the wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.’

Surah 22:63: Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the sky, then the earth becomes green? Surely Allah is Most Subtle, All-Aware.

Surah 22:65: Do you not see that Allah has subjected to you whatever is in the earth as well as the ships that sail through the sea by His command? He keeps the sky from falling down on the earth except by His permission. Surely Allah is Ever Gracious and Most Merciful to humanity

Surah 23:1-9: '1. Successful indeed are the believers: 2. those who humble themselves in prayer; 3. those who avoid idle talk; 4. those who pay alms-tax; 5. those who guard their chastity 6. except with their wives or those bondwomen in their possession, for then they are free from blame, 7. but whoever seeks beyond that are the transgressors; 8. the believers are also those who are true to their trusts and covenants; 9. and those who are properly observant of their prayers.’

Surah 23:18: We send down rain from the sky in perfect measure, causing it to soak into the earth. And We are surely able to take it away.

Surah 24:21: ‘O believers! Do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Whoever follows Satan’s footsteps, then let them know that he surely bids all to immorality and wickedness. Had it not been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, none of you would have ever been purified. But Allah purifies whoever He wills. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’

Surah 24:43. Do you not see that Allah gently drives the clouds, then joins them together, piling them up into masses, from which you see raindrops come forth? And He sends down from the sky mountains of clouds loaded with hail, pouring it on whoever He wills and averting it from whoever He wills. The flash of the clouds’ lightning nearly takes away eyesight.
Are any of these Judaic?
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2022, 07:26:47 pm »
Explain what you consider each to be, and why. I will respond if I see problems with your explanations.

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« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2022, 10:21:16 am »
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Surah 10:22: ‘He is the One Who enables you to travel through land and sea. And it so happens that you are on ships, sailing with a favorable wind, to the passengers’ delight. Suddenly, the ships are overcome by a gale wind and those on board are overwhelmed by waves from every side, and they assume they are doomed. They cry out to Allah alone in sincere devotion, “If You save us from this, we will certainly be grateful.”’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh.

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Surah 13:38: ‘We have certainly sent messengers before you O Prophet and blessed them with wives and offspring. It was not for any messenger to bring a sign without Allah’s permission. Every destined matter has a set time.’
The 'messengers' include Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc.

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Surah 15:26-44: '26. Indeed, We created man from sounding clay moulded from black mud. 27. As for the jinn, We created them earlier from smokeless fire. 28. Remember, O Prophet when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from sounding clay moulded from black mud. 29. So when I have fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own creation breathed into him, fall down in prostration to him.” 30. So the angels prostrated all together— 31. but not Iblîs, who refused to prostrate with the others. 32. Allah asked, “O Iblîs! What is the matter with you that you did not join others in prostration?” 33. He replied, “It is not for me to prostrate to a human You created from sounding clay moulded from black mud.” Allah commanded, “Then get out of Paradise, for you are truly cursed. 35. And surely upon you is condemnation until the Day of Judgment.” 36. Satan appealed, “My Lord! Then delay my end until the Day of their resurrection.” 37. Allah said, “You will be delayed 38. until the appointed Day.” 39. Satan responded, “My Lord! For allowing me to stray I will surely tempt them on earth and mislead them all together, 40. except Your chosen servants among them.” 41. Allah said, “This is the Way, binding on Me: 42. you will certainly have no authority over My servants, except the deviant who follow you, 43. and surely Hell is their destined place, all together. 44. It has seven gates, to each a group of them is designated.”’
This is the story of how Iblis became Satan. From what I have understood by reading the main site, Iblis is supposed to be Lucifer, who is the good guy.

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Surah 16:10: 'He is the One Who sends down rain from the sky, from which you drink and by which plants grow for your cattle to graze.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 16:49: 'And to Allah alone bows down in submission whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of living creatures, as do the angels— who are not too proud to do so.'
This passage reminds me of the Iblis story.

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Surah 16:65: 'And Allah sends down rain from the sky, giving life to the earth after its death. Surely in this is a sign for those who listen.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 16:98: 'When you recite the Qur'an, seek refuge with Allah from Satan, the accursed.'
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good guy.

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Surah 17:53: ‘Tell My believing servants to say only what is best. Satan certainly seeks to sow discord among them. Satan is indeed a sworn enemy to humankind.’
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good guy.

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Surah 21:95-97: ‘95. It is impossible for a society which We have destroyed to ever rise again, 96. until after Gog and Magog have broken loose from the barrier, swarming down from every hill, 97. ushering in the True Promise. Then—behold!—the disbelievers will stare in horror, crying, “Oh, woe to us! We have truly been heedless of this. In fact, we have been wrongdoers.”’
I put this as Judaic because it mentions Gog and Magog, which appears in the Tanakh.

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Surah 22:52-53: ‘52. Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet before you O Prophet and he recited Our revelations, Satan would influence people’s understanding of his recitation. But eventually Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah would firmly establish His revelations. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. 53. All that so He may make Satan’s influence a trial for those hypocrites whose hearts are sick and those disbelievers whose hearts are hardened. Surely the wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.’
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good guy.Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 22:63: 'Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the sky, then the earth becomes green? Surely Allah is Most Subtle, All-Aware.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 22:65: 'Do you not see that Allah has subjected to you whatever is in the earth as well as the ships that sail through the sea by His command? He keeps the sky from falling down on the earth except by His permission. Surely Allah is Ever Gracious and Most Merciful to humanity.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 23:1-9: '1. Successful indeed are the believers: 2. those who humble themselves in prayer; 3. those who avoid idle talk; 4. those who pay alms-tax; 5. those who guard their chastity 6. except with their wives or those bondwomen in their possession, for then they are free from blame, 7. but whoever seeks beyond that are the transgressors; 8. the believers are also those who are true to their trusts and covenants; 9. and those who are properly observant of their prayers.’
Allah is giving permission for slaveowners to have sex with (ràpe) their female slaves.

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Surah 23:18: 'We send down rain from the sky in perfect measure, causing it to soak into the earth. And We are surely able to take it away.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 24:21: ‘O believers! Do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Whoever follows Satan’s footsteps, then let them know that he surely bids all to immorality and wickedness. Had it not been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, none of you would have ever been purified. But Allah purifies whoever He wills. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good guy.

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Surah 24:43: 'Do you not see that Allah gently drives the clouds, then joins them together, piling them up into masses, from which you see raindrops come forth? And He sends down from the sky mountains of clouds loaded with hail, pouring it on whoever He wills and averting it from whoever He wills. The flash of the clouds’ lightning nearly takes away eyesight.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 25:45-50: ‘45. Have you not seen how your Lord extends the shade—He could have simply made it remain still if He so willed—then We make the sun its guide, 46. causing the shade to retreat gradually? 47. He is the One Who has made the night for you as a cover, and made sleep for resting, and the day for rising. 48. And He is the One Who sends the winds ushering in His mercy, and We send down pure rain from the sky, 49. giving life to a lifeless land, and providing water for countless animals and humans of Our Own creation. 50. We certainly disperse it among them so they may be mindful, but most people persist in ungratefulness.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 25:53-54: ‘53. And He is the One Who merges the two bodies of water: one fresh and palatable and the other salty and bitter, placing between them a barrier they cannot cross. 54. And He is the One Who creates human beings from a humble liquid, then establishes for them bonds of kinship and marriage. For your Lord is Most Capable.’
Allah is talking about how he can manipulate water, which is something Yahweh does.

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Surah 25:61: 'Blessed is the One Who has placed constellations in the sky, as well as a radiant lamp and a luminous moon. 62. And He is the One Who causes the day and the night to alternate, as a sign for whoever desires to be mindful or to be grateful.’
Here Allah is described as creating the heavens and the various heavenly bodies, which should be attributed to Yahweh.

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Surah 26:4: ‘If We willed, We could send down upon them a compelling sign from the heavens, leaving their necks bent in utter submission to it.’
Yahweh is the one who sends 'compelling signs' from heaven, not Allah.

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Surah 26:197: 'Was it not sufficient proof for the deniers that it has been recognized by the knowledgeable among the Children of Israel?’
References the Tanakh.
 
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Surah 27:Ayah 86: ‘Do they not see that We made the night for them to rest in and the day bright? Surely in this are signs for those who believe.’
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly bodies.
 
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Surah 27:Ayah 88: ‘Now you see the mountains, thinking they are firmly fixed, but they are traveling just like clouds. That is the design of Allah, Who has perfected everything. Surely He is All-Aware of what you do.’
Allah is described as creating the mountains, which is Judaic.
 
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Surah 28:71: 'Ask them, O Prophet, “Imagine if Allah were to make the night perpetual for you until the Day of Judgment, which god other than Allah could bring you sunlight? Will you not then listen?” 72. Ask them also, “Imagine if Allah were to make the day perpetual for you until the Day of Judgment, which god other than Allah could bring you night to rest in? Will you not then see?” 73. It is out of His mercy that He has made for you the day and night so that you may rest in the latter and seek His bounty in the former, and perhaps you will be grateful.’
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly bodies.

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Surah 29:46: ‘Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our Allah and your Allah is only One. And to Him we fully submit.”’
The 'People of the Book' includes Jews.

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Surah 29:63: 'And if you ask them who sends down rain from the sky, giving life to the earth after its death, they will surely say, “Allah!” Say, “Praise be to Allah!” In fact, most of them do not understand.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 30:19: 'He brings forth the living from the dead and the dead from the living. And He gives life to the earth after its death. And so will you be brought forth from the grave.'
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.

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Surah 30:23: 'And one of His signs is your sleep by night and by day for rest as well as your seeking His bounty in both. Surely in this are signs for people who listen. 24. And one of His signs is that He shows you lightning, inspiring you with hope and fear. And He sends down rain from the sky, reviving the earth after its death. Surely in this are signs for people who understand. 25. And one of His signs is that the heavens and the earth persist by His command. Then when He calls you out of the earth just once, you will instantly come forth.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 30:40: ‘It is Allah Who created you, then gives you provisions, then will cause you to die, and then will bring you back to life. Can any of your associate-gods do any of this? Glorified and Exalted is He above what they associate with Him in worship!’
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
 
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Surah 30:46: ‘And one of His signs is that He sends the winds, ushering in good news of rain so that He may give you a taste of His mercy, and that ships may sail by His command, and that you may seek His bounty, and perhaps you will be grateful.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'
 
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Surah 30:48-51: ‘48. It is Allah Who sends the winds, which then stir up vapor, forming clouds, which He then spreads out in the sky or piles up into masses as He wills, from which you see rain come forth. Then as soon as He causes it to fall on whoever He wills of His servants, they rejoice, 49. although they had utterly lost hope just before it was sent down to them. 50. See then the impact of Allah’s mercy: how He gives life to the earth after its death! Surely That same Creator can raise the dead. For He is Most Capable of everything.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 30:54: ‘It is Allah Who created you in a state of weakness, then developed your weakness into strength, then developed your strength into weakness and old age. He creates whatever He wills. For He is the All-Knowing, Most Capable.’
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
 
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Surah 31:29: 'Do you not see that Allah causes the night to merge into the day and the day into the night, and has subjected the sun and the moon, each orbiting for an appointed term, and that Allah is All-Aware of what you do?’
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly bodies.

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Surah 31:31: ‘Do you not see that the ships sail smoothly through the sea by the grace of Allah so that He may show you some of His signs? Surely in this are signs for whoever is steadfast, grateful.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 31:34: ‘Indeed, Allah alone has the knowledge of the Hour. He sends down the rain, and knows what is in the wombs. No soul knows what it will earn for tomorrow, and no soul knows in what land it will die. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 32:27: 'Do they not see how We drive rain to parched land, producing various crops from which they and their cattle eat? Will they not then see?'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 33:4-8: ‘4. Allah does not place two hearts in any person’s chest. Nor does He regard your wives as unlawful for you like your real mothers, even if you say they are. Nor does He regard your adopted children as your real children. These are only your baseless assertions. But Allah declares the truth, and He alone guides to the Right Way. 5. Let your adopted children keep their family names. That is more just in the sight of Allah. But if you do not know their fathers, then they are simply your fellow believers and close associates. There is no blame on you for what you do by mistake, but only for what you do intentionally. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 6. The Prophet has a stronger affinity to the believers than they do themselves. And his wives are their mothers. As ordained by Allah, blood relatives are more entitled to inheritance than other believers and immigrants, unless you want to show kindness to your close associates through bequest. This is decreed in the Record. 7. And remember when We took a covenant from the prophets, as well as from you O Prophet, and from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, son of Mary. We did take a solemn covenant from all of them 8. so that He may question these men of truth about their delivery of the truth. And He has prepared a painful punishment for the disbelievers.’
I'm not sure, but I think there's laws similar to this concerning adopted children in the Tanakh.
 
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Surah 33:32: ‘O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women: if you are mindful of Allah, then do not be overly effeminate in speech with men or those with sickness in their hearts may be tempted, but speak in a moderate tone.’
Subjugation of women.
 
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Surah 33:52: ‘It is not lawful for you O Prophet to marry more women after this, nor can you replace any of your present wives with another, even if her beauty may attract you—except those bondwomen in your possession. And Allah is ever Watchful over all things.’
Female slaves can be married, but I don't see any mention of them being freed.

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Surah 34:20-21: ‘20. Indeed, Iblîs’ assumption about them has come true, so they all follow him, except a group of true believers. 21. He does not have any authority over them, but Our Will is only to distinguish those who believe in the Hereafter from those who are in doubt about it. And your Lord is a vigilant Keeper over all things.”’
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good guy.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2022, 10:22:19 am »
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Surah 38:71-85: ‘71. Remember, O Prophet when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from clay. 72. So when I have fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own creation breathed into him, fall down in prostration to him.” 73. So the angels prostrated all together— 74. but not Iblîs, who acted arrogantly, becoming unfaithful. 75. Allah asked, “O Iblîs! What prevented you from prostrating to what I created with My Own Hands? Did you just become proud? Or have you always been arrogant?” 76. He replied, “I am better than he is: You created me from fire and him from clay.” 77. Allah commanded, “Then get out of Paradise, for you are truly cursed. 78. And surely upon you is My condemnation until the Day of Judgment.” 79. Satan appealed, “My Lord! Then delay my end until the Day of their resurrection.” 80. Allah said, “You will be delayed 81. Until the appointed Day.” 82. Satan said, “By Your Glory! I will certainly mislead them all, 83. except Your chosen servants among them.” 84. Allah concluded, “The truth is—and I only say the truth—: 85. I will surely fill up Hell with you and whoever follows you from among them, all together.”’
This is the story of how Iblis became Satan. From what I have understood by reading the main site, Iblis is supposed to be Lucifer, who is the good guy.

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Surah 39:21: ‘Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the sky—channeling it through streams in the earth—then produces with it crops of various colors, then they dry up and you see them wither, and then He reduces them to chaff? Surely in this is a reminder for people of reason.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 40:8: ‘8. Our Lord! Admit them into the Gardens of Eternity which You have promised them, along with the righteous among their parents, spouses, and descendants. You alone are truly the Almighty, All-Wise.’
Parents should not be allowed into Paradise.

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Surah 42:8-9: ‘8. Had Allah willed, He could have easily made all humanity into a single community of believers. But He admits into His mercy whoever He wills. And the wrongdoers will have no protector or helper. 9. How can they take protectors besides Him? Allah alone is the Protector. He alone gives life to the dead. And He alone is Most Capable of everything.’
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.

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Surah 42:28. He is the One Who sends down rain after people have given up hope, spreading out His mercy. He is the Guardian, the Praiseworthy. 29. And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and all living beings He dispersed throughout both. And He is Most Capable of bringing all together whenever He wills.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 42:32-35: ‘32. And among His signs are the ships like mountains sailing in the sea. 33. If He wills, He can calm the wind, leaving the ships motionless on the water. Surely in this are signs for whoever is steadfast, grateful. 34. Or He can wreck the ships for what the people have committed—though He forgives much— 35. so those who dispute about Our signs may know that they have no refuge.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 43:11: 'And He is the One Who sends down rain from the sky in perfect measure, with which We give life to a lifeless land. And so will you be brought forth from the grave.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 43:16: 'Has He taken angels as His daughters from what He created, and favored you O pagans with sons?’
Allah creating angels is Judaic.

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Surah 43:60-62: ‘60. Had We willed, We could have easily replaced you all with angels, succeeding one another on earth. 61. And his second coming is truly a sign for the Hour. So have no doubt about it, and follow me. This is the Straight Path. 62. And do not let Satan hinder you, for he is certainly your sworn enemy.’
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good guy.

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Surah 44:8: ‘There is no Allah worthy of worship except Him. He alone gives life and causes death. He is your Lord, and the Lord of your forefathers.’
Allah causing life and death is Judaic.

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Surah 50:9: 'And We send down blessed rain from the sky, bringing forth gardens and grains for harvest, 10. and towering palm trees loaded with clustered fruit, 11. as a provision for Our servants. And with this rain We revive a lifeless land. Similar is the emergence from the graves.'
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 55:19-20: ‘19. He merges the two bodies of fresh and salt water, 20. yet between them is a barrier they never cross.’
Allah is described as being able to manipulate water, which is something Yahweh does.

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Surah 56:57-73: ‘57. It is We Who created you. Will you not then believe in resurrection? 58. Have you considered what you ejaculate? 59. Is it you who create a child out of it, or is it We Who do so? 60. We have ordained death for all of you, and We cannot be prevented 61. from transforming and recreating you in forms unknown to you. 62. You already know how you were first created. Will you not then be mindful? 63. Have you considered what you sow? 64. Is it you who cause it to grow, or is it We Who do so? 65. If We willed, We could simply reduce this harvest to chaff, leaving you to lament, 66. “We have truly suffered a great loss. 67. In fact, we have been deprived of our livelihood.” 68. Have you considered the water you drink? 69. Is it you who bring it down from the clouds, or is it We Who do so? 70. If We willed, We could make it salty. Will you not then give thanks? 71. Have you considered the fire you kindle? 72. Is it you who produce its trees, or is it We Who do so? 73. We have made it as a reminder of the Hellfire and a provision for the travelers.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 57:6: ‘He [Allah] merges the night into day and the day into night. And He knows best what is hidden in the heart.’
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly bodies.

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Surah 58:10: ‘Secret talks are only inspired by Satan to grieve the believers. Yet he cannot harm them whatsoever except by Allah’s Will. So in Allah let the believers put their trust.’
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good guy.

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Surah 65:4: ‘As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.’
Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating.
 
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Surah 65:6: ‘Let them live where you live during their waiting period, according to your means. And do not harass them to make their stay unbearable. If they are pregnant, then maintain them until they deliver. And if they nurse your child, compensate them, and consult together courteously. But if you fail to reach an agreement, then another woman will nurse the child for the father.’
Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating.

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Surah 66:4: 'It will be better if you wives both turn to Allah in repentance, for your hearts have certainly faltered. But if you continue to collaborate against him, then know that Allah Himself is his Guardian. And Gabriel, the righteous believers, and the angels are all his supporters as well.’
Subjugation of women.

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Surah 80:24: 'Let people then consider their food: 25. how We pour down rain in abundance 26. and meticulously split the earth open for sprouts, 27. causing grain to grow in it, 28. as well as grapes and greens, 29. and olives and palm trees, 30. and dense orchards, 31. and fruit and fodder— 32. all as a means of sustenance for you and your animals.’
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'

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Surah 88:17-20: ‘17. Do they not ever reflect on camels—how they were masterfully created; 18. and the sky—how it was raised high; 19. and the mountains—how they were firmly set up; 20. and the earth—how it was leveled out?’
Allah is bragging about his 'creations', which is something which should be attributed to Yahweh.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2022, 06:15:28 pm »
"Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain from the sky.'"

"Yahweh is the one who sends 'compelling signs' from heaven, not Allah."

"Allah creating angels is Judaic."

"Allah is described as being able to manipulate water, which is something Yahweh does."

A hacker is not necessarily the same person as the coder.

With that said:

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Surah 42:28. He is the One Who sends down rain after people have given up hope, spreading out His mercy. He is the Guardian, the Praiseworthy. 29. And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and all living beings He dispersed throughout both. And He is Most Capable of bringing all together whenever He wills.’

29 is Judaic. But 28 is not.

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Surah 13:38: ‘We have certainly sent messengers before you O Prophet and blessed them with wives and offspring. It was not for any messenger to bring a sign without Allah’s permission. Every destined matter has a set time.’

The 'messengers' include Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc.

This verse does not mention who the messengers are. You are applying your own preconceptions to it.

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Surah 16:49: 'And to Allah alone bows down in submission whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of living creatures, as do the angels— who are not too proud to do so.'

This passage reminds me of the Iblis story.

You are illiterate. The Iblis story was about Iblis refusing to bow to Adam. From your own earlier quote:

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So the angels prostrated all together— 31. but not Iblîs, who refused to prostrate with the others. 32. Allah asked, “O Iblîs! What is the matter with you that you did not join others in prostration?” 33. He replied, “It is not for me to prostrate to a human You created from sounding clay moulded from black mud.”

Iblis' refusal to bow to Adam is in fact consistent with 16:49, since Iblis is in effect refusing to bow to someone other than Allah.

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Surah 16:98: 'When you recite the Qur'an, seek refuge with Allah from Satan, the accursed.'

Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good guy.

This verse does not explicitly equate Satan with Iblis. You are applying your own preconceptions to it.

"I put this as Judaic because it mentions Gog and Magog, which appears in the Tanakh."

It is possible to use mythical elements from the Tanakh without endorsing its worldview.

"Allah is giving permission for slaveowners to have sex with (ràpe) their female slaves."

"Female slaves can be married, but I don't see any mention of them being freed."

This does not necessarily imply a Judaic origin. Please follow procedure. We are currently only removing Judaic verses.

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Surah 29:46: ‘Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our Allah and your Allah is only One. And to Him we fully submit.”’

The 'People of the Book' includes Jews.

This verse does not explicitly say this. You are applying your own preconceptions to it.

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Surah 33:32: ‘O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women: if you are mindful of Allah, then do not be overly effeminate in speech with men or those with sickness in their hearts may be tempted, but speak in a moderate tone.’

Subjugation of women.

You are illiterate. This verse is proclaiming the superiority of low sexual dimorphism.

"Parents should not be allowed into Paradise."

Mohammed himself was a parent, and said he would be going to Paradise.

"Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating."

Allah understands that we are at war. If the followers of Mohammed had reproduced more during Mohammed's time, perhaps the Islamic armies could have won at Poitiers, and then the Renaissance and consequently the Industrial Revolution could have been prevented from ever occurring. How many more births could then have been prevented?