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« on: August 02, 2022, 08:54:07 pm »
Another new member of this forum which result from my discussion. Named "Leaf on the Wind". He is an anarchism try to agree with our worldview. After banned from more than 4 Discord group servers because of discussions.

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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2022, 12:00:53 pm »
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Another report from doing discussion with the Canadian "leftist". See this photographed Discord group's conversation.



Photographed on Wednesday, 3th August 2022, 23 : 14 Jakarta Time

Explanation 1 :

She is the British people. She wanted to integrate the former British colonial territory into multi-ethnic imperial...



Photographed on Wednesday, 3th August 2022, 23 : 15 Jakarta Time

Explanation 2 :

I will transcript the conversation writings. Because it's poorly photographed :

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Discord account named "Ze" is the British girl. I'm "abdulmahmud"

Ze : "Well I think imperialism is reasonable but maybe more like optional imperialism
Like we're gonna use this land and give you this technology and you can take it if you want. But as long as you don't bother us we won't bother you.

abdulmahmud : "What you mean "bothering'? (I begin to ask what is her motive of annexation of the former British colonial territory)

Ze : "Like... killing settlers, destroying stuff, I'd want to co-exist especially if they not using the land directly" (From her first answer, I think that she want annexation with the already settled European "settlers" live separately from the natives on the natives's territories)

abdulmahmud : "The settlers justified to be killed if they are behave like racial separatist like Jared Taylor's want...

The settler's stuff justified to be destroyed if they behave like racist and separatist" (I herd her to showing her real motives with saying like that)

Ze : "if they oppress the native peoples then the natives are right to respond with violence yes" (Surprisingly, she allowed the native's attack to the "European British "settlers" if they behave discriminating racial separatist to the natives even though her wish is to integrate and annexed the former British colonial territory)

abdulmachmud : "If the natives want to live side by side with the "settlers" but the "settlers" reject. Then the "settlers" justified to be persecuted, because they doing anything led to racial separatism."

(I herd her with said anything like that to made she explain more deep about how is her meaning of "integrate" and "annexing". With saying if the natives want to live side by side with the "British European "settlers"", but they reject, they deserved to be persecuted because behave anything led to racial separatist and discrimination)

Ze : "yes" (He say that such behaviour can be allowed to be implemented to the natives, to persecuted the separatist "settlers")



Photographed on Wednesday, 3th August 2022, 23 : 15 Jakarta Time

Explanation 3 :

She agree to attack with ridiculing to the ideas about capitalism and colonialism



Photographed on Wednesday, 3th August 2022, 23 : 15 Jakarta Time

Explanation 4 :

I explained about the poll news on what "Canadians" think on treating the natives. Which many of the responder say that "too much to apologize and give reparations to them". She explained that the problems are on the polling system which not surveying the people who are really affected, but only to "random "whites"". I think she doing something folkism



Photographed on Thursday, 4th August 2022, 00 : 13 Jakarta Time

Explanation 4 :

She even agree with censorship to a group of people who follow the rightist ideas

Her Discord profile :



Photographed on Wednesday, 3th August 2022, 23 : 15 Jakarta Time



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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2022, 05:55:56 pm »
Leaf on the Wind hasn't posted anything yet so I have nothing on which to form an opinion.

Ze appears to be a typical progressive.

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She is the British people. She wanted to integrate the former British colonial territory into multi-ethnic imperial...

If this had happened back then, it would have been much easier for climate refugees today.

Of course it is too late for this now. But at least she should agree that Britain, Canada, Australia, etc. have a duty to accept as many climate refugees from India, Nigeria, etc. as want to migrate, in order to emulate the folkish empire that she proposed.

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Like we're gonna use this land and give you this technology and you can take it if you want.

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especially if they not using the land directly

This is concerning. She seems to think that higher productivity is never a negative.

To us, it is clear that Britain starting the Industrial Revolution and then accepting climate refugees is better than Britain starting the Industrial Revolution and then not accepting climate refugees, but not as good as Britain never starting the Industrial Revolution in the first place.

"She even agree with censorship to a group of people who follow the rightist ideas"

I disagree. Rightist arguments should be exhibited in public. Only doing so shows we are not threatened by them. We are the only leftist forum that I know of which proactively collects enemy articles and uses them against the enemy:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/

This is the source of the True Left's ideological strength. In contrast, False Left forums never address actual rightist arguments. This is why False Leftism will never defeat rightism.

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professional human

Might suggest anthropocentrism. Find out her views towards non-humans.

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wanter of a transgalactic empire

See if you can change her mind.

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2022, 08:28:53 pm »
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She still accept the Westernization and space exploration. She consider the humans will have zero sense if they only live on earth. And she consider the space exploration needed for the sake fulfill the humans's need of resources which from it humans can live in luxury. So, she still economically Marxism while her sociological worldview is opposition to racialism.

And, she acknowledge that Israel is a Zionist ethnostate

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2022, 09:09:34 pm »
"She still accept the Westernization and space exploration. She consider the humans will have zero sense if they only live on earth. And she consider the space exploration needed for the sake fulfill the humans's need of resources which from it humans can live in luxury. So, she still economically Marxism while her sociological worldview is opposition to racialism."

A standard False Leftist, basically.

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as long as you don't bother us we won't bother you.

so does she care that non-Western civilizations are being bothered with the environmental impact of Western civilization?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/

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"if they oppress the native peoples then the natives are right to respond with violence yes"

Is forcing them to live in the environmental conditions consequent to Western civilization not a form of oppression? If so, then she should agree that retaliatory violence against Western civilization is justified.

"she acknowledge that Israel is a Zionist ethnostate"

So does she acknowledge that Zionism comes from Judaism, and hence that Judaism is a racist religion? Yet progressivism also comes from Judaism:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg11366/#msg11366
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2022, 10:41:27 am »
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This is her ideas. See this photographed Discord conversation.



Photographed on Thursday, 4th August 2022, 11 : 04 Jakarta Time




Photographed on Thursday, 4th August 2022, 22 : 34 Jakarta Time

I'm already explained the reasons of her flaws of Westernization program. But she's not respond me anymore. It coincide with me got banned from the Liberal Discord political server which there's her on it (Named DylanEDU's Youtube Community). Because I'm explained the racism of Israeli people and why they need to be destroyed.

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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2022, 03:30:04 pm »
I don't know why you say you are not forcing her to not have a child. Those like her need to be prohibited from reproducing.

Strictly speaking, I don't think she is forcing you to live outside Earth. She would probably be fine if you continued to live on Earth while she settles outer space. Settlement of outer space does not require everyone to do it simultaneously in order for it to succeed. Refer to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg10902/#msg10902

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In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg14823/#msg14823

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Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail when others are not also living the same way. We must crush the inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the superior way.

Settlement of outer space definitely falls into the latter category, which is why it would be justified for non-spacefaring countries to invade spacefaring countries for the sake of eradicating spacefaring.

Also, you need to argue against Yahwism itself:

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We could be the only sentient life in the universe.

She obviously does not consider all the non-humans on Earth to be sentient.

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It is our duty to spread it.


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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2022, 06:54:59 pm »
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I don't know why you say you are not forcing her to not have a child. Those like her need to be prohibited from reproducing.

I think you consider the leftist allowed to reproduce before... Because they are less to follow oppressive ideologies rather than the right...

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2022, 07:45:42 pm »
Also, we should more often call out the False Left fascination with living in luxury.

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and everyone can live in luxury

This seems to be a key point of divergence between False Leftists and True Leftists: we despise luxury in itself, whereas they only despise luxury not being evenly distributed.

In my experience, rightists are actually more likely than False Leftists to be suspicious of luxury, although their suspicion is based on even worse values (they most commonly claim that luxury leads to decreased masculinity.....). Rightists also conflate luxury with absence of danger, so for example they might despise more passive forms of luxury while admiring participation in activities such as extreme sports (despite the latter being in fact often just as or even more costly and/or wasteful when all the calculations are done).

All this corresponds almost perfectly with somatotype personalities:

Rightist = mesomorph
False Leftist = endomorph
True Leftist = ectomorph

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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2022, 09:53:44 pm »
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Beware the communist red terror account, the name is :

1. Pickaxe and Rifle (Female communist unterfrau)
2. Students for Democracy ML (Untermenschen)

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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2022, 10:00:21 pm »
I thought you invited them?

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2022, 10:21:39 pm »
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There's no benefit to invite them. I see that some of fellow members of communist Discord channel work together with another member from another Discord Political channel to know our forum. I ever spread our forum's link to them with hoping they will realize that their's ideological worldview are supporting evil Westernization.

But, as usual, they even cannot answer our arguments with ethical way... And they keep showing their inferiority to us...

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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2022, 10:36:32 pm »
"I ever spread our forum's link to them"

That is what I meant. Anyway, let's see whether they post anything first.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2022, 09:31:52 pm »
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My observation on political people which make online forum on Discord is :

They tend to dislike us because our "anti-semitism" even though they are the leftist who are against colonialism, capitalism, and racism. So, that is the obstacle for us to ally with the leftist... And the rightist tend to support Israel because our total opposition to their condemnation of "woke oppression to them which considered by them like a "Jim Crow". You have a solution?

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2022, 11:48:15 pm »
The situation is already improving:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg15091/#msg15091

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-false-left-is-finished/

It is simply inconsistent and therefore intellectually untenable to be against racism but not against Judaism, therefore all we need to do is hold steady this position and more and more leftists will come over to it sooner or later.

If you can additionally spread anti-progressivism among leftists, then this process will occur even faster, given the disproportionate impact of Jews to progress. Recall:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/our-enemies-officially-concede-to-us-on-jewish-success/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg11366/#msg11366