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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2022, 09:28:19 pm »
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In fact, I consider it a mistake on the part of the early Counterculture to be uncritically associated with the sexual liberationists. Sexual traditionalism definitely deserved to be attacked, but I would have preferred the attack to have been launched from the angle of romanticism rather than that of hedonism.

And it was the usual suspects who strove to make hedonism part of leftism and the counterculture:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftist-ideological-camps-in-the-big-picture-socialism-marxism-true-leftism-etc/msg11339/#msg11339
(See the part about Marcuse and the New Left).

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2022, 09:26:58 pm »
Counterculture should strictly be about ridiculing every smallest detail of Western civilization:






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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2022, 08:30:50 pm »
Note the emphatically Western architecture of Lex Luthor's lair in the original Superman movie:













Again we see the implied association between Western aesthetics and villainy back then.

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2022, 01:49:46 pm »
Fascinating! The word "Progress" engraved into the statues base on the last image...

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2022, 09:08:44 pm »
And then there's Vigo from Ghostbusters 2 who was literally inside a Western painting undergoing restoration inside a Eurocentric museum in the US:



This is the danger of the US associating itself with Western aesthetics. (Note also Janosz's accent.) In contrast, the key to defeating Vigo is American aesthetics:


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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2022, 10:39:55 pm »
Why 99% Of Movies Today Are Garbage - Chris Gore
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Chris Gore is a writer, comedian, author and television personality who has built a solid reputation as a hilariously outspoken voice in the entertainment world. As a teenager, Chris founded the brutally honest magazine Film Threat, which began as a fanzine while he was a college student in Detroit. As Film Threat evolved into a respected national magazine, he relocated to Los Angeles. The print magazine was retired in 1997 when it was re-launched as a web site. FilmThreat.com found a huge audience online and was named one of the top five movie web sites by the Wall Street Journal. Chris has appeared as a film expert on MSNBC, E!, CNN, Travel Channel, and Reelz Channel. Chis has also hosted shows on FX, Starz, IFC and G4TV’s Attack of the Show as the show’s film expert. His weekly movie review segment DVDuesday was among the most popular on G4. Chris is also an author, having written The 50 Greatest Movies Never Made and The Complete DVD Book. His book The Ultimate Film Festival Survival Guide is considered the bible of the industry and is required reading at film school.


Gore makes some excellent points in this interview he did I feel. He speaks alot about the corporate studios and how they are only interested in making films for the world, rather than American films for America. In that sense I believe his argument is on solid ground when he speaks of how America is losing it's identity to corporate interests who only care about money and political agendas first and foremost, instead of good entertainment firstly, which is what films are supposed to provide before anything else.

Lest we forget, globalization would not have happened had the industrial revolution and western colonialism not preceded them. Globalization is merely an extension and furtherance of both.

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2022, 05:29:58 pm »
The movie I originally posted here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/canada-residential-schools/msg16676/#msg16676

is also relevant to this:

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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2022, 03:47:13 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10112/#msg10112

our enemies do our work for us again:

https://vdare.com/posts/an-objective-way-to-rate-architecture-boston-city-hall-vs-san-francisco-city-hall

Western architecture vs American architecture (anyone can tell which is which):

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it’s pretty easy to come up with objective ways to rate the subjective happiness inducement of functionally comparable but architecturally distinct buildings, such as how much do brides want to have their wedding pictures taken at Boston City Hall (a 1968 concrete brutalist upside-down Aztec human sacrifice platform) versus San Francisco City Hall (a 1915 Beaux-Arts extravaganza that Tom Wolfe admiringly called “this Golden ****’s dream of paradise”).

When I try to look up “Boston City Hall wedding” I can’t find a single photo of a bride online at the 1968 City Hall. (There are, however, quite a few taken at Boston’s 1865 Old City Hall that now contains a Ruth’s Chris Steak House.)

The 1865 version is of course Western also:



and it goes without saying that steak is Western:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak#Etymology

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The word steak originates from the mid-15th century Scandinavian word steik, or stickna' in the Middle English dialect, along with the Old Norse word steikja.[4] The Oxford English Dictionary's first reference is to "a thick slice of meat cut for roasting or grilling or frying, sometimes used in a pie or pudding; especially a piece cut from the hind-quarters of the animal."

so the fact that it contains a steakhouse fits its architecture.

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In contrast, there are countless bridal photos online featuring the San Francisco City Hall:



In the argument over architectural taste and city hall architecture, the brides have spoken: the San Francisco city hall is just plain better for wedding pictures than the Boston city hall.

Our enemies call this "objective"? It's a mere survey of popular preference! Popular =/= superior.

Besides, since all the brides are wearing Western wedding dresses, Western architecture backgrounds can be expected to be more compatible with their clothing choices. At most the conclusion can be: the SF city hall is more compatible with Western-style weddings. It tells us more about the wedded than about the buildings:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10157/#msg10157

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10259/#msg10259

Not to mention that anyone who wears a Western wedding dress is not an American but a Western occupier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_dress#Western_culture

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The first documented instance of a princess who wore a white wedding dress for a royal wedding ceremony is that of Philippa of England, who wore a tunic with a cloak in white silk bordered with squirrel and ermine in 1406, when she married Eric of Pomerania.[1][2]
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White became a popular option in 1840, after the marriage of Queen Victoria to Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, when Victoria wore a white gown trimmed with Honiton lace. Illustrations of the wedding were widely published, and many brides opted for white in accordance with the Queen's choice.[6]

On the other hand, what clothes are most compatible with American architecture? Hint:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10219/#msg10219
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Re: Anti-racism before the Counterculture era ended
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2022, 11:08:44 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/reagan-amnesty-program-gave-gen-211130197.html

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Reagan’s amnesty program gave Gen X immigrants the chance to succeed. DREAMers deserve the same

In the late 1980s, a major immigration reform, spearheaded by President Reagan and passed with bipartisan support in Congress, gave amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants living in the United States. In economic terms, what came next for these families after securing legal status is nothing short of inspirational.
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The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 gave amnesty to most undocumented immigrants who came to the United States before Jan. 1, 1982. President Reagan then used his executive authority to take things a step further, granting legal status to any minor under 18 whose parents were in the process of obtaining legal status themselves.
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Because of the Reagan-era amnesty, the Gen X children of modern immigrants whom we studied were raised by parents with legal status and likely had legal status themselves.

Whereas now:

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Take this away, and we’re worried what we’ll find when we study more recent children of immigrants, like the DREAMers — group of undocumented immigrants who arrived themselves as children, and are so-named for the stalled DREAM Act in Congress.

It will take another 10 years for the DREAMers to be old enough for us to compare them with groups that came before. While we don’t yet have the data, we do know the outsized barriers they will face. Without a green card or citizenship, working outside of the cash economy will be difficult. As a result, many do not see the point in finishing high school. For those that do, applying to college or funding their education without access to the lending system has been an enormous challenge.

Fortifying DACA for those who are already a part of the program, as the Biden administration did in late October through the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), is a signal that these young people shouldn’t lose hope — and is the bare minimum of what they deserve.

But the new rule cannot override court orders that prevent the administration from processing new DACA applications. Passing the DREAM Act or otherwise legislating permanent residency for the DREAMers is a critical — and reasonable — next step. After all, DACA, which only applies to immigrants who arrived as children and not to their parents, is not nearly as extensive as the 1986 amnesty policy.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2023, 08:50:22 pm »
You would think this meme was tweeted by a rightist. But no, it was a False Leftist who tweeted it:

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2023, 03:57:55 pm »
A good example of Counterculture-era Red politics:

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1613769456475594754

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2023, 04:37:14 pm »
A good example of Counterculture-era Red politics:

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1613769456475594754

Then westerners like Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and Mark Zuckerberg came along:

Did Newt Gingrich wreck American politics?
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[...]Still, Gingrich did not singlehandedly coarsen our political oratory. Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh, for example, was a master of provocative language and was heard by far more people than Gingrich. By 1990, Limbaugh’s show aired on close to 300 radio stations and boasted more than 5 million listeners weekly. His success helped boost the careers of other conservative commentators, like Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, who are watched by millions of Americans every day.

The rise of rightwing political commentary is just one of several external factors that have encouraged harsh political speech. Modern congressional elections are another. Gerrymandered House districts lead to less competitive elections, with one party holding sway over a particular district for years. Fewer swing districts mean that lawmakers are more likely to lose a primary election than a general election. As a result, they are incentivized to position themselves as more extreme on the assumption that this is what primary voters will prefer.

Another factor is affective polarization – negative attitudes towards people of the opposite party – which is sizable and growing among citizens, creating an additional incentive for politicians to bash their political opponents. And the rise of social media, which is dominated by hateful and angry rhetoric, has almost certainly done more to encourage lawmakers to speak negatively about the opposing party than anything Gingrich may have done three decades ago.
Milbank and others note that Gingrich made baseless, conspiracy-like claims about his opponents, but such behavior has a pedigree that far precedes Gingrich’s time in Congress. Conspiratorial language was a hallmark of the John Birch Society, for example. In a New York Times essay, Robert Draper interviewed a far-right Arizona state party leader who cited as her influence not Gingrich but instead the 1950s Red-baiting Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.)...
Entire article: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3609952-did-newt-gingrich-wreck-american-politics/

How Newt Gingrich Shaped The Republican Party
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The hyperbolic descriptions President Trump has used to describe his political opponents — “the radical left, the Marxists, the anarchists” — come straight out of the playbook of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Historian Julian Zelizer makes that case in his new book, "Burning Down The House: Newt Gingrich, The Fall Of A Speaker, And The Rise Of The New Republican Party,” which chronicles Gingrich's rise as a young and unknown congressman who utilized cable television to shape the Republican Party in ways still seen today.
Entire article: https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/07/newt-gingrich-republican-party


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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2023, 07:03:15 pm »
Back in the Counterculture era, destruction of priceless Western art due to clumsiness was considered hilarious:



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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2023, 07:51:22 pm »
Our enemies attack Carter, so we will take it as a tribute:

https://vdare.com/posts/president-jimmy-carter-will-be-remembered-for-his-support-for-immigration-and-his-failure-to-stop-election-fraud-in-the-us

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Carter was fully on board with what would later become the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA).

See:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg17172/#msg17172

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Let us not forget Carter’s support for refugees over Americans with the United States Refugee Act of 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act

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The United States Refugee Act of 1980 (Public Law 96-212) is an amendment to the earlier Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 and the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962, and was created to provide a permanent and systematic procedure for the admission to the United States of refugees of special humanitarian concern to the U.S., and to provide comprehensive and uniform provisions for the effective resettlement and absorption of those refugees who are admitted.[1]The act was completed on March 3, 1980, was signed by President Jimmy Carter on March 17, 1980, and became effective on April 1, 1980.
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The Act recognizes that it has been the historic policy of the United States to respond to the urgent needs of persons subject to persecution in their homelands and to provide assistance, asylum, and resettlement opportunities to admitted refugees. The goal of the Refugee Act was to create a uniform procedure with which to provide these opportunities to refugees.[1]

More about Carter here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/name-decolonization/msg18006/#msg18006

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2023, 08:36:16 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg18285/#msg18285

Here is Culture Critic directly attacking American architecture:

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1626564071678959617

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Americans really convert old Pizza Huts into churches and wonder why church attendance is declining.


I agree that the pictured church is American. This is why I place hope in America.

One of Culture Critics's fans also accurately points out where the idea of opulent churches came from:

https://twitter.com/Onewhitefrijole/status/1626591152278470658

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God asked the Israelites to use gold and silver and bronze and jewels- the BEST things they had- Why? Because this was God’s house. Exodus 35:5 “Take from among you an offering to the LORD; whoever is of a generous heart, let him bring the LORD's offering: gold, silver, and bronze;”

which is what I was pointing out here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4254/?topicseen#msg4254

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Perrotta points out that material wealth is highly valued in the Old Testament; the Hebrews seek it and God promises to bless them with it if they will follow his commandments.[12] Joseph Francis Kelly writes that biblical writers leave no doubt that God enabled men such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Solomon to achieve wealth and that this wealth was a sign of divine favor.
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    Jesus explicitly condemns excessive love of wealth as an intrinsic evil in various passages in the Gospels, especially in Luke (Luke 16:10–15 being an especially clear example). He also consistently warns of the danger of riches as a hindrance to favor with God

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/indian-attitudes/msg17802/#msg17802