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Posted by: Zhang Caizhi
« on: November 21, 2025, 10:06:44 pm »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mausoleum_of_Genghis_Khan

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Ejin Horo fell to the Communists at the end of 1949 and was controlled by their Northwest Bureau until the establishment of Suiyuan Province the next year.[10] The district's Communists set up rituals honouring Genghis Khan in the early 1950s, but abolished the traditional religious offices surrounding them like the Jinong and controlled the cult through local committees with loyal Party cadres.[10] Without the relics, they relied largely on singing and dancing groups.[10] In 1953, the PRC's central government approved the recently formed Inner Mongolian provincial government's request for 800,000 RMB to create the present permanent structures.[3] Early the next year,[15] the central government permitted the return of the objects at Kumbum to the site being constructed at Ejin Horo.[10] The region's chairman Ulanhu officiated at the first ritual after their return, decrying the Nationalists for having "stolen" them.[10] After this ritual, he immediately held a second ceremony to break ground on a permanent temple to house the objects and the khan's cult, again approved and paid for by China's central government.[10] By 1956, this new temple was completed, greatly expanding the purview of the original shrine.[14] Rather than having eight separate shrines throughout Ejin Horo for the Great Khan, his wives, and his children, all were placed together; a further 20 sacred and venerated objects from around the Ordos were also brought to the new site.[14] The government also mandated that the main ritual would be held in the summer rather than in the third lunar month, in order to make it more convenient for the headers to maintain their spring work schedules.[14] With the Darkhads no longer liable for personally paying for maintenance of the shrine, most accepted these changes.[14] An especially large celebration was held in 1962 to mark the 800th anniversary of Genghis Khan's birth.[15]

In 1968, the Cultural Revolution's Red Guards destroyed almost everything of value at the shrine.[14] For 10 years, the buildings themselves were turned into a salt depot as part of preparations for a potential war with the Soviet Union.[27]

Following Deng Xiaoping's Opening Up Policy, the site was restored by 1982[3] and sanctioned for "patriotic education"[14] as a AAAA-rated tourist attraction.[3] Replicas of the former relics were made, and a great marble statue of Genghis was completed in 1989.[28] Priests at the museum now claim that all of the Red Guards who desecrated the tomb have died in abnormal ways, suffering a kind of curse.[29]

Mongolians continued to complain about the poor state of the mausoleum.[30] A 2001 proposal for its refurbishment was finally approved in 2004.[30] Unrelated houses, stores, and hotels were removed from the area of the mausoleum to a separate area 3 km (1.9 mi) away and replaced with new structures in the same style as the mausoleum.[30] The 150-million-RMB (about $20 million)[31] improvement plan was carried out from 2005 to 2006, improving the site's infrastructure, expanding its courtyard, and decorating and repairing its existing buildings and walls.[32] The China National Tourism Administration named the site a AAAAA-rated tourist attraction in 2011.[33]
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 21, 2025, 05:56:51 pm »

This is equivalent to Israel moving its capital from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fPinVV0exE

The release of this story should be enough for China to nuke the site. But instead the "New Chinese" are currently calling for nuking Japan. (I hardly need to remind the Mongols have been invading China over and over again for millennia (hence the need for the Great Wall) whereas Japan and China had friendly relations for millennia until Japan absorbed Western thought during the Meiji Restoration.) How is reviving Karakorum not far worse than visiting the Yasukuni Shrine? Yet the "New Chinese" will only complain about the latter.

They can't stop tweeting about Nanking, but never once mention how many Chinese the Mongols killed, **** and enslaved during the Mongol invasion. Why not? (Hint: on average, Mongols are taller whereas Japanese are shorter; see also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/re-turanian-diffusion/msg945/#msg945 )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_the_Song_dynasty

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Casualties and losses
Very heavy

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In 1273, Fancheng capitulated, the Mongols putting the entire population to death by sword

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Resistance continued, resulting in Bayan's massacre of the inhabitants of Changzhou in 1275 and mass suicide of the defenders at Changsha in January 1276.

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The Song dynasty elite were unwilling to submit to Mongol rule, and opted for death by suicide. The Song councilor Lu Xiufu, who had been tasked with holding the child-emperor Zhao Bing of the Song in his arms during the battle, also elected to join the Song leaders in death. It is uncertain whether he or others decided that the young Emperor should die as well. In any event, the councilor jumped into the sea, still holding the child in his arms. Tens of thousands of Song officials and women also threw themselves into the sea and drowned.

Another (perhaps?) possible reason why "New Chinese" never complain about the Mongol invasion:

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Southern Song Chinese troops who defected and surrendered to the Mongols were granted Korean women as wives by the Mongols, whom the Mongols earlier took during their invasion of Korea as war booty.[38]

 ::)

Descriptive excerpts about the Mongol invasions from The Lightning and the Sun:

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The Mongols, says Harold Lamb, “led out the people of
walled towns, examining then carefully and ordering the skilled workers —
who would be useful — to move apart. Then the soldiers went through the
ranks of helpless human beings, killing methodically with their swords and
hand axes — as harvesters would go through a field of standing wheat. They
took the wailing women by the hair, bending forwards their heads, to sever
the spine more easily. They slaughtered with blows on the bead men who
resisted weakly.”4 It is said that about nine million people were thus put to
the sword
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even if the figures were to be brought down to their half, still they would
suggest a magnitude of slaughter unprecedented in history.

It is noticeable that material signs of power, wealth or culture —
strong walls, works of irrigation, libraries; — for which the conquerors had
no use, were no more respected than human life
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As we have seen, in all the conqueror’s
campaigns, cities that had, to any extent, resisted the Mongols, had been
destroyed, and the greater part of their inhabitants put to the sword. But the
blood of the Golden Family, even though it were shed through the veins of
one single individual, was still more precious, in Genghis Khan’s eyes, than
that of any number of Mongol soldiers, and cried for a greater vengeance.
The old Khakhan, therefore, commanded that all living creatures — people
without the customary discrimination between the useful and the useless;
beasts; and the very birds of the air, — be killed to the last

Woke comments from the video link:

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Genghis Khan is a mass murderer whose Mongolia people praise him like a hero is ridiculous

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That clown actually has a picture of Genghis Khan on his wall, like what

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They are really obsessed with their ancestors war crimes

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Moving the capital back will make this move as a attempt to glorify the Mongol empire's war crime.

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Why does Mongolia get away with celebrating the Mongol Empire? Even amongst the ranks of Empires, the Mongols were utter brutal and heartless. They should be making amends to the nations surrounding them that they brutalised, not celebrating it.

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Mongolia is the country equivalent of "peaking in high school"

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Imagine they were school shooter and killed one third of the school.

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In the past, after all those conquests, instead of moving their people to the lands with good soils for farming, they chose to to conquest further
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: July 30, 2025, 08:18:16 pm »

While replying in the other topic, I came across this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_dynasty#Four-class_system

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The population was divided into the following classes:[146]

Mongols. The Mongols were called "Gao-chen"[Chinese script needed] (the citizens of the ruling empire) by the conquered Southern Song population.[147]

Semu, consisting of non-Mongol foreigners from the west and Central Asia, like Buddhist Uyghurs from Turfan, Tanguts, Tibetans, Jews, Nestorian Christians, and Muslims from Central Asia.[148][146]

Han, a category usually referring to Han Chinese people, but under Yuan usage referred to various peoples, most of whom were former subjects of the Jurchen Jin dynasty such as Han Chinese in Northern China, Jurchens, Khitans, but also Koreans and other ethnicities who lived north of the Huaihe River[149]: 247 [146]

Nan (Southerners), or all subjects of the former Southern Song dynasty, including ethnic Han Chinese and minority native ethnic groups in southern China, as well as the people of the Dali Kingdom. They were sometimes called "Manzi" during the Yuan dynasty. They were on the "bottom of the privilege ladder" in Yuan society.[146]

Notably:

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the Northern Chinese were ranked higher than the Southern Chinese, because the Song dynasty in southern China fought longer and surrendered later.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-diffusion/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/yandi-vs-huangdi-myth-confirmed/
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 19, 2024, 02:38:48 am »

They look optimistic to a degree that cannot be described in words.
Posted by: rp
« on: October 18, 2024, 09:51:03 pm »

"facial expressions and body language capture the Mongol archetype."
How? I can see the body language such as biceps flexing, but what about facial expressions?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 18, 2024, 09:47:26 pm »

The same text was already posted here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/re-turanian-diffusion/msg945/#msg945

The photo in your version is good, though. Not only the physiognomy, but also even the facial expressions and body language capture the Mongol archetype.

Posted by: rp
« on: October 18, 2024, 05:22:39 pm »

Posted by: rp
« on: January 12, 2024, 09:18:15 pm »

https://twitter.com/DalrympleWill/status/1125482695369400322
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William Dalrymple
@DalrympleWill
If you mention Babur on twitter a million sanghis pop up to say Babur was a terrorist jihadi... In fact he never uses the word Allah, prefering the term Tengri- the sky deity worshipped by steppe peoples. According to his biographer Stephen Dale, "Babur scarcely refers to Islam."
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 02, 2024, 04:36:43 pm »

To answer the question:

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He died less than a century before Columbus' voyage. Why was European imperialism worse than his?

both Timur and Genghis subjugated Mongols as well as non-Mongols. Columbus etc., in contrast, never subjugated "whites", but at the same time saw no problem with subjugating "non-whites". This is why the latter are worse. The Western colonial empires treated "whites" even from rival Western colonial empires visiting their colonies better than "non-whites" of their own empire who lived in the same colonies.
Posted by: rp
« on: January 02, 2024, 05:47:41 am »

https://twitter.com/BiruniKhorasan/status/1738132831967055958
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History of Khorâsan and the Persianate World
@BiruniKhorasan
Timur wasn’t an “Muslim imperialist” but a steppe conqueror. His role model was Genghis Khan not Prophet Muhammad. He butchered more Muslims (mostly indiscriminately and for little reason) than non-Muslims.

Using a historical barbarian to justify your own barbarism is stupidity.
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Swann Marcus
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He wasn't Arab, but if we're talking about Muslim imperialists, Timur alone killed several million people at a time when there were only 300-400 million in the entire world

He died less than a century before Columbus' voyage. Why was European imperialism worse than his?
Posted by: rp
« on: December 14, 2023, 08:10:39 pm »

LOL:
https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1591107821948768259?t=kW1Xia-6n3D_6EWHdO3Gqw&s=19
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Mongolian chronicles sometimes traced the genealogy of Genghis Khan back to the first mythical Kings of India. He was also said to belong to the same lineage as the Buddha Shakyamuni, and hence would technically be a Suryavanshi Kshatriya


Posted by: rp
« on: November 13, 2023, 12:08:32 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATr7e03N6w
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Khan#Early_life_and_education
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Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan was born in Chakwal, Punjab, British India,[5] in a Qizilbash family on 4 February 1917, according to the references written by Russian sources.[6][7] His family descended from the elite soldier class of Iranian conqueror Nader Shah.[8] He and his family were of Pashtun origin.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nader_Shah#Background
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Nader belonged to the  Turkoman Afshar tribe, which was one of the seven tribes[a] of the Qizilbash who helped the Safavid dynasty establish their power in Iran.[15][16] The Afshar tribe had originally lived in the Turkestan region, but during the 13rd-century they moved to the Azerbaijan region in northwestern Iran as a result of the expansion of the Mongol Empire.[17] Nader was from the semi-nomadic Qirqlu clan of the Afshars, which lived in the Khorasan region of northeastern Iran. They had either settled there during the reign of the first Safavid Shah Ismail I (r. 1501–1524), or had been resettled by Shah Abbas I (r. 1588–1629) to fend off Uzbek attacks. Regardless, Afshars moving to Khorasan was already taking place by start of the 16th-century.[18][19]

Nader's native tongue was a southern Oghuz dialect, i.e. "Turkish of Azerbaijan".[20] As he was growing up, he must have swiftly learned Persian, which was the language of the cities and high culture. But unless he was speaking to someone who spoke only Persian, he always preferred to communicate in Turkic.[21] His knowledge of Arabic is not documented, but it seems doubtful given his lack of interest in literature and theology.[22] Nader is known to have acquired reading and writing skills at some point in its life, probably later on.[21]

Approximately three million people or more were nomadic or semi-nomadic pastoralists in Iran in the beginning of the 18th-century, accounting for one-third of the country's population. Strong ties of kinship as well as customs of helping each other out with fights and finances kept their tribal groups united. Despite being partially or fully absorbed into the more progressive, urbanized Persian culture, many of them nevertheless identified culturally with the Turco-Mongol heritage that had been passed down from the era of Timur and Genghis Khan. The settled population was seen by the semi-nomads and nomads as inferior. Nader was part of this heritage, which the British academic Michael Axworthy calls "paradoxical".[21]

Shah should not be described as an Iranian, but a Turanian.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 16, 2023, 07:02:41 pm »

Meanwhile back in the present day:



 ::)
Posted by: rp
« on: October 16, 2023, 05:54:04 pm »

This is why it is important to emphasize Indo-Arab relations (which has a rich history from the Ancient Times to the Middle Ages to the present day) as a counterweight to the Pakistanis (who LARP as Turkic invaders). Once we see the difference between the two ethnic groups, I hope Islamophobia itself in the subcontinent will die down.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 16, 2023, 05:08:14 pm »

"Akbar appears to have had some Aryan blood (God knows how)"

My guess:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maham_Begum

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She was the mother of Babur's eldest surviving son and eventual successor, Humayun.
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Historian Annette Beveridge calls this family "quiet, unwarlike Khwajas". Babur also references a certain Abdul Malik Khosti who may also have been a relation of Maham's, though this is not certain.[3]

Abu'l-Fazl ibn Mubarak, the vizier of her grandson Akbar, states that Maham was from a noble family of Khorasan, descendants of the 11th century Sufi mystic Sheikh Ahmad Jami. This was a lineage that she shared with her daughter-in-law, Hamida Banu Begum.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamida_Banu_Begum

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Hamida Banu Begum (c. 1527 – 29 August 1604), was the queen consort of the second Mughal emperor Humayun and the mother of his successor, the third Mughal emperor Akbar.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Ahmad-e_Jami

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He was born in 1048 (441 A.H.) in Namaq (now Kashmar) near Torshiz in Khorasan, and counted Jarir Ibn Abdullah, a companion (Sahaba) of Prophet Mohammad as one of his ancestors. His parents made their living by farming.