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Posted by: rp
« on: December 15, 2024, 08:52:44 am »

Posted by: Junito18
« on: December 13, 2024, 07:17:07 pm »

Had he achieved power on his OWNP or Monarchist Party platform, do you really think he would still have converted to Karaitism subsequently? I doubt it.

I knew there would be a reason why you were right all along after all. It's just like how JAM is now a Jew but somehow still condones anti-Semitism and therefore hasn't really changed his views, or how delenda and Oregoncoug said the world was going to end in 2012 but then it didn't but actually it did in some 3000 IQ metaphysical sense that only they understand.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 12, 2024, 08:15:33 pm »

"But you did think that he could be trusted enough to be given absolute power."

Had he achieved power on his OWNP or Monarchist Party platform, do you really think he would still have converted to Karaitism subsequently? I doubt it.

"choosing to support ISIS instead"

I have never supported ISIS. The whole time I have been pointing out how ISIS never targets Israel. I have also highlighted Hezbollah's hostility to ISIS.
Posted by: Junito18
« on: December 12, 2024, 06:52:59 pm »

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I have already declared present-day JAM as our enemy here:

It's quite interesting that the only reason you cite for him being an enemy is that he hates your precious Muslims. No-one here said anything about him becoming a Jew.

I'm actually not surprised that JAM converted to Judaism. When he was promoting his Satanism nonsense (which was at the time he was also promoting his Monarchist Party) he made posts about how various fruits resembling body parts that they were good for (e.g. a walnut resembling a brain and being good for the brain) proved the existence of a creator god. And then he would go on about how Satan is the true creator god and not the god that Jews worship. He clearly just wanted Judaism without the Jews.

The version of JAM I worked with had nothing good to say about the Old Testament, but on the contrary labelled himself a Gnostic Christian.

JAM did not consider himself a Gnostic Christian. If he ever claimed to be one, it was insincere. I suggested to him that Paul had corrupted Christianity and Gnostic Christianity was the true version of Christianity, and he told me that Gnostic Christians should be put on spikes. Well, now he is a messianic Karaite Jew who agrees that Paul corrupted Christianity, so maybe he should put himself on a spike. Or maybe he should put himself on a spike because he believes that Jews should fight against evil and he used to be one of the people who wanted to kill the Jews. You know, I actually have no issue with JAM constantly changing his views. Changing your views is fine because that's part of learning. But I think it's wrong to declare, while your views are still evolving, that you are so confident in your views that you're prepared to kill people with differing views, and then changing them. By doing that, he has lost all credibility. If he had became king of America, it wouldn't really have been acceptable to say 'Well, I killed all those people, but actually I realise I was wrong to do that now. My bad.' Having said that, some of his views have remained constant over the years, and from them we can see what the issues that really matter to him are: veganism (well, I can't fault him there), misogyny, having a harem of teenage girls to 'suck his dick', and absolute monarchy (although now the monarch would be Jewish).

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Therefore your accusation that I have ever promoted Karaitism via working with JAM is unfounded.

But you did think that he could be trusted enough to be given absolute power. I really don't know why you would ever have thought that. From a cursory glance at his current website, it's obvious that he has nothing valuable to say. Considering that he has an article on his site listing all the extremely outlandish conspiracy theories he believes in, it's comical that he now believes that Jews did 911, but it was partially justified as an excuse to attack Muslim countries, thereby missing the blatantly obvious point that the USA attacked relatively secular countries such as Iraq and Libya while retaining good relationships with Saudi Arabia, which is the one of the most fundamentalist of them all. He made a documentary about how 911 was done by Jews but can't see the most blatantly obvious hole in Bush's rhetoric that they were going to war to 'defend freedom'. It somewhat reminds me of how you missed the opportunity to point out that there are many good Muslims by pointing out that Assad's troops were Muslims and yet were fighting against ISIS, choosing to support ISIS instead.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 11, 2024, 10:10:24 pm »

I have already declared present-day JAM as our enemy here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-psychological-decolonization-323/msg28156/#msg28156

The version of JAM I worked with had nothing good to say about the Old Testament, but on the contrary labelled himself a Gnostic Christian. In any case, neither the OWNP platform nor the Monarchist Party platform ever advocated any one "official religion" for America, but did declare that all followers of Judaism (without any mention of exception for Karaites) would be recognized as members of a secret society and hence lose American citizenship. Therefore your accusation that I have ever promoted Karaitism via working with JAM is unfounded.
Posted by: Junito18
« on: December 11, 2024, 09:08:53 pm »

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We need a Karaite burning ritual.

Then JAM should be the first one you burn, since that's what he identifies as now. Then you should burn yourself because if you'd had your way he'd be the king of America now and perhaps Karaite Judaism would be America's official religion.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 05, 2024, 07:31:47 pm »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaite_Judaism

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most of Egypt's Karaite Jews settled in Israel.[41]
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Moshe Marzouk, one of the Egyptian Jews executed in 1954 for planting bombs in Cairo in the service of Israeli Military Intelligence (the Lavon Affair) was a Karaite. Marzouk was considered a hero in Israel; however, his Karaite identity was downplayed in newspapers, which usually just described him as an Egyptian Jew. However, in 2001, the Israeli government, through the Israel Postal Authority, issued a special memorial sheet honoring him and many other Karaite Jews that gave their lives for Israel.

In Israel, the Karaite Jewish leadership is directed by a group called Universal Karaite Judaism.

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Karaites maintain that in the absence of a Temple, ordinary washing with flowing waters (described in the Torah as "living"—flowing—water) should be substituted for purification with water that includes ashes obtained through the red heifer burning ritual. Karaites believe that this was the practice before the Tabernacle was built in the Sinai Peninsula following the Exodus.[44][45]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_heifer

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The red heifer (Hebrew: פָּרָה אֲדֻמָּה, romanized: pārā adummā), a female bovine which has never been pregnant or milked or yoked, also known as the red cow, was a cow brought to the priests as a sacrifice according to the Torah, and its ashes were used for the ritual purification of corpse uncleanness, that is, an Israelite who had come into contact with a human corpse, human bone, or grave.[1]

We need a Karaite burning ritual.
Posted by: guest122
« on: March 05, 2024, 06:50:02 pm »

From your link:

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[The] verdict on the fate of the Crimean Karaites was delivered by Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler in person in which he not only exempted them from persecution but offered to induct their men into the SS so that they and their families could be transferred to Germany and Austria which they were. No civilians of the occupied territories during the German retreat could be evacuated unless the head of the family was part of the SS. This attests to the enormous importance attached to the Karaite issue in Nazi Germany, way beyond proportion of the group’s numerical strength. Kiril Feferman, 20111382"

Himmlerism =/= National Socialism.

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The Germans exempted the Karaites who observed only the Old Testament against the Talmud.

Hitler was explicitly opposed to the Old Testament, as extensively documented:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

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In a speech in the early years of his rule, Hitler declared himself "not a Catholic, but a German Christian".[11][12][13][14][15] The German Christians were a Protestant group that supported Nazi Ideology.[16] Hitler and the Nazi Party also promoted "nondenominational"[17] positive Christianity,[18] a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[19][20]
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Hitler backed the formal establishment of the "German Christians" in 1932.[146] It was nationalistic and anti-Semitic and some of its radicals called for repudiation of the Old Testament (the Hebrew Scriptures) and the Pauline epistles of the New Testament – because of their Jewish authorship.[147]

In any case, if we were in power, we would treat Karaite Jews like any other Jews. Those who wish to follow Himmler on this we will identify as enemies.

In Israel Karaite Jews are forbidden to marry other Jews unless they take oral laws into practice and other Jews call them Nazis and also I have read this article ->https://peshat.com/index.php?itemid=5 and it seems like Karaite Jews are the only Jews who are not trying to hide the fact about Jews and Communism
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 04, 2024, 04:30:44 pm »

From your link:

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[The] verdict on the fate of the Crimean Karaites was delivered by Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler in person in which he not only exempted them from persecution but offered to induct their men into the SS so that they and their families could be transferred to Germany and Austria which they were. No civilians of the occupied territories during the German retreat could be evacuated unless the head of the family was part of the SS. This attests to the enormous importance attached to the Karaite issue in Nazi Germany, way beyond proportion of the group’s numerical strength. Kiril Feferman, 20111382"

Himmlerism =/= National Socialism.

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The Germans exempted the Karaites who observed only the Old Testament against the Talmud.

Hitler was explicitly opposed to the Old Testament, as extensively documented:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

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In a speech in the early years of his rule, Hitler declared himself "not a Catholic, but a German Christian".[11][12][13][14][15] The German Christians were a Protestant group that supported Nazi Ideology.[16] Hitler and the Nazi Party also promoted "nondenominational"[17] positive Christianity,[18] a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[19][20]
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Hitler backed the formal establishment of the "German Christians" in 1932.[146] It was nationalistic and anti-Semitic and some of its radicals called for repudiation of the Old Testament (the Hebrew Scriptures) and the Pauline epistles of the New Testament – because of their Jewish authorship.[147]

In any case, if we were in power, we would treat Karaite Jews like any other Jews. Those who wish to follow Himmler on this we will identify as enemies.
Posted by: guest122
« on: March 04, 2024, 09:19:21 am »

I came across this Article. Did you guys know that Karaite Jews were protected by the German state ?

https://operationdisclosure1.blogspot.com/2020/11/karaite-jewish-citizen-rights-protected.html?m=1