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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2024, 12:01:14 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on October 05, 2024, 12:52:48 am
He still understands our enemies better than most:



Of course I disagree with his optimism regarding WNs' chances of success (which he estimates to be low but I estimate to be higher). Honestly, I would prefer to be wrong.

I am also optimistic about Identitarisnism's low chance of success in the US, mainly due to its multiethnic nature, which is what JAM is basing his optimism on. There is still the danger of reproductive Eurocentrism/neocon assimilationism/progressive Yahwism, but I think that explicit "White" identitarianism will die out in the U.S. We just need to abolish the electoral college to prevent rightists from gaining power. The main identitarian threats IMO are V4 and Israel.

Do you not agree with this?
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2024, 06:00:35 pm »
Indeed I disagree. They still have the secession strategy. The Supreme Court will also be on their side. Unless we are willing to militarily invade their seceded territories at once*, they will just wait until the chance arises to do what Israel did to go from 1946 to 1948:



and from there proceed as Israel subsequently did.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/orania/

I am not even convinced that South Africa is safe for "non-whites", and you think I would consider the US safe for "non-whites"?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-we-lose/
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2024, 02:30:36 am »
Never mind, JAM is our enemy now:



For the record, JAM was never a fan of Islam even during the old days, and totally downplayed Hitler's well-documented positive opinions of Islam in his interpretation of Hitlerism. When he commissioned me to write the monarchist calendar to promote his Monarchist Party, I initially proposed including Mohammed as one of the 12 examples of historically significant monarchists, but he rejected my idea. So perhaps I should have seen this turn coming.

Warner has always been our enemy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Warner_(writer)

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The Council on American–Islamic Relations has described the CSPI as Islamophobic, listing it as part of the" U.S.-based Islamophobia network’s inner core".[15]
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2024, 09:43:25 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on October 06, 2024, 06:00:35 pm
Indeed I disagree. They still have the secession strategy. The Supreme Court will also be on their side. Unless we are willing to militarily invade their seceded territories at once*, they will just wait until the chance arises to do what Israel did to go from 1946 to 1948:



and from there proceed as Israel subsequently did.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/orania/

I am not even convinced that South Africa is safe for "non-whites", and you think I would consider the US safe for "non-whites"?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-we-lose/

Thinking about this is just horrifying. I simply don't have the stomach for modern war.

I would much rather retreat to a monastery and live the life of an ascetic, quitting politics altogether.

But I realize that it is desertion.
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2024, 03:17:13 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on October 07, 2024, 02:30:36 am
Never mind, JAM is our enemy now:



For the record, JAM was never a fan of Islam even during the old days, and totally downplayed Hitler's well-documented positive opinions of Islam in his interpretation of Hitlerism. When he commissioned me to write the monarchist calendar to promote his Monarchist Party, I initially proposed including Mohammed as one of the 12 examples of historically significant monarchists, but he rejected my idea. So perhaps I should have seen this turn coming.

Warner has always been our enemy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Warner_(writer)

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The Council on American–Islamic Relations has described the CSPI as Islamophobic, listing it as part of the" U.S.-based Islamophobia network’s inner core".[15]

In the monarchist podcast, JAM said he originally started off as a libertarian, supporting Ron Paul in 2007. There was always an Islamophohobic undercurrent within the libertarian movement, most notably in the form of "South Park Libertarianism" (The show South Park was created by Jews Matt Stone and Trey Parker btw). The Ron Paul libertarian movement eventually became the overtly Islamophobic Tea Party movement, so I am not surprised about his trajectory.
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2024, 04:07:25 pm »
I will never understand Islamophobia among those who grew up during the Counterculture era. Least of all in the US, whose Cold War allies included plenty of Islamic countries, as I try to bring up as often as possible (to little effect, unfortunately).

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg6761/#msg6761

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg7334/#msg7334

etc.

What was supposed to happen after the Cold War ended was for this alliance to continue, but directed against Israel!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/anti-racism-before-the-counterculture-era-ended/

Imagine how much better the world would be by now if this had been the path we had taken!
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2024, 04:40:44 pm »
What's even more confusing is the Islamophobia exists among "Truthers", who are supposedly "awake" to the fact that AQ didn't do 9/11. I guess Islamophobia was just a component of their broader reaction to political correctness (e.g. "Draw Muhammad") and turning to Zionist correctness, which is of course the Zionist plan.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2024, 05:50:55 pm »
I was pointing this out back in the 00s! One stream of thought at the time was to blame "Abrahamic religions" as a whole for the problems of the world, which allowed the Jew-aware to incorporate (Uthmanic) Islamophobia into their worldview provided they also halfheartedly bash (Paulic) Christianity. Some of them joined the New Atheists (increadibly ignoring that it was led by Jews (Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, etc.). JAM to his credit did not (and even helped point out that it was led by Jews - I was also doing the same at the time), but JAM instead started dabbling in authentic anti-Semitism ie. the racial theory that considered the Semitic (not just Hebrew, but also Arab) gene pool to be the problem. I mentioned Sabaean Aryan bloodlines etc., hoping that JAM would end up adjusting his racial theory to anti-Turanism. This did not happen. Instead, JAM became a fan of Nicholas Romanov II. I pointed out that Hitler sided with Japan against Nicholas' Russia in the Russo-Japanese War, but JAM was not interested, instead focusing only on the execution of the Romanovs by the Bolsheviks to imply that Nicholas was the good guy.

 ???
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2024, 06:47:16 pm »
"which allowed the Jew-aware to incorporate (Uthmanic) Islamophobia into their worldview provided they also halfheartedly bash (Paulic) Christianity also. Some of them joined the New Atheists (increadibly ignoring that it was led by Jews (Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, etc.). JAM to his credit did not (and even helped point out that it was led by Jews - I was also doing the same at the time), but JAM instead started dabbling in authentic anti-Semitism ie. the racial theory that considered the Semitic (not just Hebrew, but also Arab) gene pool to be the problem. I mentioned Sabaean Aryan bloodlines etc.,"
ZCF/Brandon Martinez is a similar case. Blamed "religion" for the world's problems, but didn't join the New Atheists. This is despite his split with the overtly racist Mike Delaney of Prothink (similar to JAM). Eventually ended up becoming a Falangist.

This is why I believe the world was a better place before the Internet was Jew aware tbh.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2024, 11:06:54 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on November 07, 2024, 04:07:25 pm
I will never understand Islamophobia among those who grew up during the Counterculture era. Least of all in the US, whose Cold War allies included plenty of Islamic countries, as I try to bring up as often as possible (to little effect, unfortunately).

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg6761/#msg6761

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg7334/#msg7334

etc.

What was supposed to happen after the Cold War ended was for this alliance to continue, but directed against Israel!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/anti-racism-before-the-counterculture-era-ended/

Imagine how much better the world would be by now if this had been the path we had taken!

And this is why I have hope for the U.S more than other Western countries such as Canada and those in the EU ("Holocaust Denial" is illegal in both btw).
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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2024, 12:01:23 am »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on November 07, 2024, 04:07:25 pm
I will never understand Islamophobia among those who grew up during the Counterculture era. Least of all in the US, whose Cold War allies included plenty of Islamic countries, as I try to bring up as often as possible (to little effect, unfortunately).

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg6761/#msg6761

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg7334/#msg7334

etc.

What was supposed to happen after the Cold War ended was for this alliance to continue, but directed against Israel!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/anti-racism-before-the-counterculture-era-ended/

Imagine how much better the world would be by now if this had been the path we had taken!

After 9/11, the False Left led by Chomsky (Jew) blamed those alliances for alleged "blowback" that "caused" 9/11.
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« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2024, 10:22:25 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on November 07, 2024, 05:50:55 pm
I was pointing this out back in the 00s! One stream of thought at the time was to blame "Abrahamic religions" as a whole for the problems of the world, which allowed the Jew-aware to incorporate (Uthmanic) Islamophobia into their worldview provided they also halfheartedly bash (Paulic) Christianity also. Some of them joined the New Atheists (increadibly ignoring that it was led by Jews (Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, etc.). JAM to his credit did not (and even helped point out that it was led by Jews - I was also doing the same at the time), but JAM instead started dabbling in authentic anti-Semitism ie. the racial theory that considered the Semitic (not just Hebrew, but also Arab) gene pool to be the problem. I mentioned Sabaean Aryan bloodlines etc., hoping that JAM would end up adjusting his racial theory to anti-Turanism. This did not happen. Instead, JAM became a fan of Nicholas Romanov II. I pointed out that Hitler sided with Japan against Nicholas' Russia in the Russo-Japanese War, but JAM was not interested, instead focusing only on the execution of the Romanovs by the Bolsheviks to imply that Nicholas was the good guy.

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There was a tendency among Truthers to blame "religion" for all the world's problems (while not becoming New Atheists themselves). They also dabbled in libertarian discourse (while not becoming libertarians themselves) and rejected statism (due to it being associated with "Holocaust Denial" laws). The Jews know that both can be potentially positive organizing forces, which is why they promoted atheism and libertarianism.

Their opposition to Jewry was only grounded in some shallow "anti authoritarian" and "contrarian" ideology, which I theorize was driven by envy. In contrast, Aryanists are motivated by moral dualism, heroism, and self-righteousness.
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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2024, 09:20:24 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on November 07, 2024, 04:07:25 pm
I will never understand Islamophobia among those who grew up during the Counterculture era. Least of all in the US, whose Cold War allies included plenty of Islamic countries, as I try to bring up as often as possible (to little effect, unfortunately).

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg6761/#msg6761

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg7334/#msg7334

etc.

What was supposed to happen after the Cold War ended was for this alliance to continue, but directed against Israel!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/anti-racism-before-the-counterculture-era-ended/

Imagine how much better the world would be by now if this had been the path we had taken!

Islamic countries were even allies in the GWOT! Think Pak and KSA! But False Leftist idiots (led by the usual suspects) ended up ruining it all by blaming those guys for 9/11 instead of the (((true culprits))). This is how Islamophobia was casually inserted into the Truth Movement, even by those claiming to be "non Islamophobic" ("yeah Muslims did 9/11, but those were just extremists, and we shouldn't make generalizations").
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2024, 11:42:42 am »
Even now the most prominent 911 truther accounts on Twitter are actual anti Semites/"White" ethnocentrists, who of course significantly overlap with actual racists.

Trutherism as an ideology is a dead end at best, or a pipeline to rightism at worst.
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2024, 06:02:04 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on November 07, 2024, 05:50:55 pm
I was pointing this out back in the 00s! One stream of thought at the time was to blame "Abrahamic religions" as a whole for the problems of the world, which allowed the Jew-aware to incorporate (Uthmanic) Islamophobia into their worldview provided they also halfheartedly bash (Paulic) Christianity also. Some of them joined the New Atheists (increadibly ignoring that it was led by Jews (Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, etc.). JAM to his credit did not (and even helped point out that it was led by Jews - I was also doing the same at the time), but JAM instead started dabbling in authentic anti-Semitism ie. the racial theory that considered the Semitic (not just Hebrew, but also Arab) gene pool to be the problem. I mentioned Sabaean Aryan bloodlines etc., hoping that JAM would end up adjusting his racial theory to anti-Turanism. This did not happen. Instead, JAM became a fan of Nicholas Romanov II. I pointed out that Hitler sided with Japan against Nicholas' Russia in the Russo-Japanese War, but JAM was not interested, instead focusing only on the execution of the Romanovs by the Bolsheviks to imply that Nicholas was the good guy.

 ???

Even among the New Atheists some (e.g. Hitchens (Jew)) are more critical of Zionism than others (e.g. Harris (Jew)).
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