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History => Human Evolution => Topic started by: rp on July 12, 2020, 07:46:25 pm
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https://www.facebook.com/ChessKidcom/photos/at-13-yagiz-kaan-erdogmus-is-the-youngest-ever-player-to-cross-2600-in-classical/1163146238658379/
Face:
(https://scontent.fhkg4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/491580469_1358475429125458_7410812618582345052_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=OyvTOOPZktsQ7kNvwFYSP7-&_nc_oc=Adk4Dc1QydB3hFhF3LwYYBQx_bT9vmnSHLvcj22OyP9VLtuaS2_IysqgXesv9vcfZJI&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fhkg4-2.fna&_nc_gid=ImD2vc0A7mBtP8OVUFLXQw&oh=00_AfsqGJ8hcUO9d9iTjm3mpQTPUv_Xj9sw3pnX5IA6KelqbA&oe=6984DAD9)
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"Racists will say the "blacks" are inferior they're more mature (like here), but then they would also say "blacks" are inferior because they're less mature."
To be fair, what our enemies mean is that "black" children reach puberty at an earlier age on average:
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David-Rehkopf/publication/23689228/figure/fig1/AS:394466100826114@1471059455438/Distribution-of-age-at-menarche-by-race-Vertical-bars-show-mean-ages-at-menarche-white.png)
but "black" adults have lower sexual dimorphism than "white" adults (due to the latter having a heavier puberty) on average:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DizUXLLU0AEs1rV.jpg)
In short, our enemies think that "blacks" are inferior because "black" children aren't really children and "black" adults aren't really adults, just like they think "blacks" are inferior because "black" women aren't really women and "black" men aren't really men. We could say that Western civilization, in addition to valuing high sexual dimorphism, also values high pre/post-pubescent dimorphism. This is consistent with Westerners being not only homophobic and transphobic, but also MAP-phobic.
We also see this in how, at the same time as Western civilization is praised by our enemies for having fiction with the most adult themes:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg16234/#msg16234
it is also only Western civilization has an explicit category of fiction called "children's fiction". In every other civilization prior to the colonial era, it was considered normal for children and adults to consume the same fiction.
Even the stupidity known as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_rating
was a Western idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Board_of_Film_Classification
The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC)[3] is a non-governmental organisation founded by the British film industry in 1912
Ultimately, Western civilization is the most age-segregationist civilization. (Compulsory schooling for children is the most cruel manifestation of this.)
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Previously:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-bones/msg10572/#msg10572
Our enemies are still doing it, this time with kids:
(https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/61846/vdareseen.jpeg)
(Is rp paying attention? This is an Oval.)
Contrast with, for example:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/msg7870/#msg7870
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/msg19139/#msg19139
Who looks more dangerous? (Hint: ask the fish!)
I always find this funny. Racists will say the "blacks" are inferior they're more mature (like here), but then they would also say "blacks" are inferior because they're less mature. They love to flip-flop the narrative as long as it fit their predetermined conclusion.
A classic case of a psuedoideology:
https://aryanism.net/philosophy/ideology-vs-pseudoideology/
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"We at least have this much:"
This could be more like checkers, which is known to be much older than chess:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkers#History
A board resembling a checkers board was found in Ur dating from 3000 BC.[4] In the British Museum are specimens of ancient Egyptian checkerboards, found with their pieces in burial chambers, and the game was played by the pharaoh Hatshepsut.[2][5] Plato mentioned a game, πεττεία or petteia, as being of Egyptian origin,[5] and Homer also mentions it.[5] The method of capture was placing two pieces on either side of the opponent's piece. It was said to have been played during the Trojan War.[6][7]
so, as you suggested, Turanians probably came across checkers, decided it was not complicated enough, and modified it into chess.
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"I personally have never enjoyed chess anywhere near as much as I have enjoyed dice-based board games. :)"
I found that when the family played dice based games, there was no competition or sense of intellectual domination among siblings. But chess very soon changed this dynamic.
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"Both face shapes are terrible. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at."
Gukesh's face is a little narrower, eye sockets shallower...
"which is millennia after the Vedic invasion, therefore I am not sure how we can credibly claim it is Aryan. Unless you have information indicating that it already existed during Indus Valley civilization?"
We at least have this much:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/zqw9wh/this_ancient_chess_board_was_excavated_from/?rdt=38408
"Also, how according to your theory do you explain the the overtly Turanian pieces?"
Perhaps it was a later addition, and the pieces were not named as such before?
"I personally have never enjoyed chess anywhere near as much as I have enjoyed dice-based board games. :)"
I liked the mental challenge that came with chess, but soon I found that winning it was basically psychological manipulation. But part of me wants to think it isn't necessarily this way? Anyway, in the short term I support "non Whites" reclaiming it (and restoring its non Western origins) from "Whites" (including Jews).
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Both face shapes are terrible. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at.
"Chess belongs to Aryans (its original creators)"
The earliest known version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaturanga
It is first known from India around the seventh century AD.[1]
which is millennia after the Vedic invasion, therefore I am not sure how we can credibly claim it is Aryan. Unless you have information indicating that it already existed during Indus Valley civilization?
Also, how according to your theory do you explain the the overtly Turanian pieces?
ratha or sakaṭa (chariot
...
aśva (horse
Thinking more about this topic, my intuition is that chess is Turanian. Chess is basically each player trying to herd the other player's pieces. If it is Aryan games we are looking for, we should look to games involving chance, which better parallel farmers' mentality to account for factors such as weather etc.. And indeed archaelogically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice
Excavations from graves at Mohenjo-daro, an Indus Valley civilization settlement, unearthed terracotta dice dating to 2500–1900 BCE,[7] including at least one die whose opposite sides all add up to seven, as in modern dice.[8]
I personally have never enjoyed chess anywhere near as much as I have enjoyed dice-based board games. :)
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/sports/others/magnus-carlsen-bangs-table-in-anger-d-gukesh-in-disbelief-after-plotting-epic-norway-chess-revenge-on-world-no-1-101748812401530-amp.html
Compare face shapes:
(https://www.nss24.com/images/upload/1729052247-preview.png)
Vs
(https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/master_player/3b0ddf4e-bd82-11e8-9421-af517c2ebfed.f2dc9e34.5000x5000o.41b400498a4b.png)
Chess belongs to Aryans (its original creators), not Jews or Gentiles.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwwXz4ygS7g
Why is it surprising? We have always known that women are on average shorter than men and live longer.
Anyway, this confirms that puberty is literal poison.
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Another prodigy:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/12-old-memorized-periodic-table-165754752.html
Recent high school graduate Suborno Isaac Bari, 12, plans to start studying math and physics at New York University in the fall, but he’s already got his ambitious sights set on beginning a doctoral program.
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The gifted tween, who memorized the periodic table at 2 years old and has taught lectures at colleges in India since he was 7, graduated on Wednesday from Malverne High School in Nassau County, New York.
Face:
(https://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/15003368_Suborno-Bari-1-img.jpeg)
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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jocb.351
There are national differences in scientific activity that are not well accounted for by economic and intellectual factors alone. We examine the novel hypothesis that androgen levels may also play a role. Androgens are often referred to as male hormones, but are present in both men and women, and have been linked to performance in other domains, such as sports and entrepreneurship. National-level empirical data on scientific productivity, in terms of numbers of publications, and science Nobel laureates were compared to seven national-level androgen indicators; namely androgenic body hair, the length of the CAG repeat on the androgen receptor gene, prostate cancer incidence, male and female 2D:4D finger ratio, and sex frequency and number of partners. The majority of these indicators were associated in the expected direction with per capita number of scientific publications and Nobel prizes. Moreover, several indicators significantly interacted with national-level estimates of intelligence, such that androgen levels are related to measures of the scientific achievement only when the level of intelligence is relatively high. These findings may partly explain the global distribution of scientific productivity, achievements, and Nobel prizes.
Even before I was aware of its correlation with progress, I was already disgusted by body hair because of its association with biological maturation. Once again my inutition was correct! Progress is basically the civilizational version of maturation. Think about it this way: a threshold of biological maturity is required for biological reproduction, whereas a threshold of progress is required for settling outer space (ie. reproducing Western civilization elsewhere). All forms of maturation are fundamentally evil.
For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen#Male_pubertal_development
Homework: if the aim is to end progress ASAP, who should be prohibited from reproducing first? Hints:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/how-to-resign-as-a-jew/msg17926/#msg17926
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg16234/#msg16234
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg24370/#msg24370
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I presume you are referring to:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg7737/#msg7737
The truly neotenous do not reproduce so early, as (by definition of the term) our youth is extended. Many of us never reproduce at all. Padeomorphs, on the other hand, tend to be highly fertile (and possessing high sex drive). This confirms what I explained a long time ago: paedomorphy is a mere superficial effect not caused by neoteny
This is referring to someone who facially appears immature, whereupon their having reproduced is a way to debunk the claim that they are immature in actuality.
In contrast, the face you posted looks fully mature, thus it would not be visually surprising to see a face like that with offspring. Therefore to cite such a face having offspring is not particularly useful.
"But you have previously stated that neotenous people reproduce late due to late sexual maturation."
Yes, but other people who reproduce late are non-neotenous people who would have preferred to reproduce early but who needed a long time to become economically ready or to find a reproductive partner, whereas other people who reproduce early are people (including neotenous) who were not given a choice. The point is that age of reproduction involves too many overlapping variables to be useful as a measure of maturity.
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"20 by ancient standards was not a young age for reproducing"
But I recall another post of yours where you, referring to a paedomorphic Chinese women who had reproduced before 25, said, "Aryans do not reproduce so early".
"In any case, I remain ambivalent about using this as an indicator of maturity, as it's not like reproducing requires exceptional skill.."
But you have previously stated that neotenous people reproduce late due to late sexual maturation.
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At least he won't be reproducing again! ;D Seriously, though, 20 by ancient standards was not a young age for reproducing, so I'm not sure if this is the best example. Even with present-day cases, we could go a lot younger, such as:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/australias-youngest-parents-teen-couple-with-two-kids-under-two-38824189.html
16-year-old couple Mollie Syrigos and her boyfriend Oscar Wilks, labelled Australia's youngest parents ... The couple met when they were both 12 and became pregnant with their first child Theodore just over a year later
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/9KdkOznsg4cEiRO6c_El_A--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/os/en-AU/homerun/y7.yahoo7news/d557ed0b13e650d06697e79fd467dc48)
In any case, I remain ambivalent about using this as an indicator of maturity, as it's not like reproducing requires exceptional skill.... I still think genuine prodigal talent (which is also much statistically rarer) is likely to be a better indicator.
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Example of non-Aryan reproductive maturity
https://people.com/texas-dad-to-be-dead-electrocuted-while-trimming-tree-8655820
A 20-year-old man, who was expecting his first child, died by electrocution while trimming a tree on May 25.
Face:
(https://people.com/thmb/MXjXaZUfmgwC4GBJxU57EoBqo9c=/750x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(758x236:760x238):format(webp)/Carl-David-Blaylock-053024-e9025bdbc89140dab1b30923746a4b6d.jpg)
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Wait, weren't rightists like Duchesne saying that "Whites" are superior to "non Whites" because "Whites" are more mature? I guess it's ok for "Whites" to be mature.
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"Is rp paying attention? This is an Oval."
I see. I have been using the egg shape as a benchmark ever since you mentioned it in the other thread.
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Previously:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-bones/msg10572/#msg10572
Our enemies are still doing it, this time with kids:
(https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/61846/vdareseen.jpeg)
(Is rp paying attention? This is an Oval.)
Contrast with, for example:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/msg7870/#msg7870
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/msg19139/#msg19139
Who looks more dangerous? (Hint: ask the fish!)
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Now I remember:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/misinformation-about-racial-origins/msg22040/#msg22040
But whereas in the meme you posted the alpha views this shape as a sign of fertility, in our earlier discussion you said:
In my case, it was a certain matriarchal impulse that made me attracted to them, the feeling that a woman like Kaur would be able to provide me with "love" and "warmth" of a "caring mother/older sister".
So you seem to be seeking closer to what the beta in the meme is seeking, but find it in the alpha's preference? But if so, then why dislike large breasts?
Even more confusingly, you later say:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/misinformation-about-racial-origins/msg22043/#msg22043
With an ectomorph it is different. In particular, if they are shorter than me, although I feel sexually attracted to them, the feeling of attraction (while certainly surpassing my feelings of attraction toward skinny-fat women with Aryan faces of similar stature, to the point of manifesting in reproductive desire) is not the same. I recognize that the height difference between genders is simply a biological fact, but one cannot deny the sexual dynamics at play. It is not necessarily a negative thing, as I view them to be more neotenous (perhaps even more so than myself), and I am drawn toward their childlike innocence. I feel this way with shorter skinny-fat women with Aryan faces as well, but with them, this attraction manifests in a somewhat patriarchal impulse of a "caring father/older brother".
On the other hand, an ectomorphic woman who is as facially beautiful as Kaur but taller than me would certainly illicit a greater feeling of attraction (even reproductive desire) than both ectomorphic women of smaller stature with Aryan faces and non-ectomorphic women with Aryan faces of similar stature (i.e. Kaur herself).
This would suggest you also seek what the alpha seeks, but find it in the ectomorph? And if so, is it the case that you were attracted only to curvy bodies when you were younger, and only developed an attraction for thin bodies as you grew up (as depicted in the alpha pathway of the meme, but substituting your preferences)?
(In contrast, I want to emphasize that my preference for ectomorphs is precisely because they appear less fertile.)
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Simrat Kaur from facial Aryanism is somewhat curvy body, but her breasts are not too big.
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"But do you agree that preference for boobs over ass is a sign of possible neoteny"
Not generally, because this presumes that the above is the only mechanism that produces this preference. In reality, there are likely to be multiple mechanisms leading to the same preference.
Besides, female infants also breastfeed. Should not the above model therefore apply to them also?
"I myself can't stand extremely large breasted women (who more often than not have non Aryan faces). On the other hand, women with a somewhat "curvy" (endomorphic) somatotype, and hence a somewhat large posterior, I am attracted to provided they have an Aryan face."
Please post pictures.
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But do you agree that preference for boobs over ass is a sign of possible neoteny (which is what the meme is trying to say)? I myself can't stand extremely large breasted women (who more often than not have non Aryan faces). On the other hand, women with a somewhat "curvy" (endomorphic) somatotype, and hence a somewhat large posterior, I am attracted to provided they have an Aryan face.
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The alpha is the Yahwist who will perpetuate the cycle into the next generation, and who hence should be prohibited from reproducing first. "Stunted development" is just another term for neoteny.
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Thoughts on this?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ0hm8pXAAAKjdM?format=png&name=large)
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Another prodigy:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/22/devon-schoolboy-joins-mensa-with-higher-iq-score-than-einstein
Rory Bidwell, 12, recently achieved the maximum possible score for his age group of 162 on the Cattell III B test
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Rory, a year 7 student at Great Torrington school, is said to have completed 100-piece puzzles at the age of two and mastered year 7 level algebra in year 2.
During the first eight weeks of the coronavirus lockdown of 2020, he read all seven Harry Potter books – more than 1 million words.
He is also said to be a big sports fan, representing his school in cross-country, football and rugby, earning accolades such as player of the year for Torridgeside football team. He also competes for Torridgeside swimming club.
Face:
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/genius-good-feeling-i-didnt-873549824.jpg)
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Our enemies mourn:
(https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/61321/VDARE-sailer-ed-jay-epstein-rip.jpg)
https://vdare.com/posts/edward-jay-epstein-rip
he’d grown up in New York affluent and Jewish at a time of rapidly growing Jewish success.
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But his big advantage, he writes, was that at age 12, a difficult time for most boys, he was already 6′ 2″ and 200 pounds. This precocious size “conferred on me a bold social confidence that would remain.” Whereas magnates tend to see most reporters as ink-stained wretches, many seemed to find the audaciously assured Epstein as, by nature, a fellow buccaneer.
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More prodigies:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chess-prodigy-accused-cheating-vibrating-022055756.html
Hans Niemann, 19, defeated the Norwegian grandmaster Magnus Carlsen, 31, in a chess match
(https://www.esports.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/rsz_picture1-3.jpg)
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Another prodigy:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/california-child-prodigy-accepts-software-190720520.html
One of the newest employees at SpaceX has been described as a child prodigy who skipped elementary school and will graduate from college this week at the tender age of 14.
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He left elementary school after finishing the third grade and enrolled in community college at age 9. Kairan transferred to Santa Clara University at age 11. In college, he had a multiyear internship at Intel as an artificial intelligence research fellow.
Kairan will receive his bachelor's degree in computer science and engineering from SCU on Saturday — the youngest graduate in the school's 172-year history, the San Jose Mercury News reported.
Face:
(https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2023/06/12/Kairan-Quazi_188adc4a1d8_medium.jpg)
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"Would you agree that Texiera looks young, in this picture for example (note the lack of facial hair):"
This is the reduced/paedomorphic type that we keep talking about.
"So a robust child who remains robust as an adult is not neotenous?"
They are not, because maturation only ever increases robustness.
"those who were robust as children are automatically disqualified as they were already adulterated?"
Yes!
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"I think there is some confusion here."
I was referencing the comment from the article: "He is youthful looking, barely older than the teenage friends". Would you agree that Texiera looks young, in this picture for example (note the lack of facial hair):
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/11CAB/production/_129357827_jack.jpg)
"Neither are neotenous"
So a robust child who remains robust as an adult is not neotenous? I thought neoteny merely meant retaining the appearance one had as a child, but I suppose it actually means retaining a youthful (childlike) appearance, in which case those who were robust as children are automatically disqualified as they were already adulterated?
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"Youthful looking (neoteny) =/= Aryan looking (gracility)."
I think there is some confusion here. Recall:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg18568/#msg18568
Gracility and neoteny are not the same thing, as there exist people who are already robust as children (e.g. https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg17900/#msg17900 ). When we associate gracility with neoteny, we are talking about those who were not robust as children who also manage to avoid gaining robustness during puberty being more neotenous than (and hence superior to) those who were not robust as children but who gain robustness during puberty.
All gracile adults used to be gracile children. In other words, all gracile adults are neotenous.
On the other hand, some robust adults used to be gracile children, while other robust adults used to be robust children (albeit less robust than the adults they eventually became). Neither are neotenous.
Teixeira reminds me of Shapiro who was previously discussed here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg461/#msg461
Note Teixeira's deep eye sockets. That is not neotenous.
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Who is Jack Teixeira, the man arrested over Pentagon files leak?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/13/who-is-jack-teixeira-the-man-arrested-over-pentagon-files-leak
In photographs, Jack Teixeira, the 21-year-old air national guardsman who has been identified as the prime suspect in the leak of classified intelligence documents, is slim in his dark blue air force uniform. He is youthful looking, barely older than the teenage friends seen in the online group in which the classified documents were leaked.
On Thursday evening, the FBI arrested Teixeira and were searching his home. Video footage from a local TV station showed him being led away in handcuffs.
Teixeira was identified by the New York Times as the leading figure in an online gaming chat group, Thug Shaker Central, on the social network Discord. The details that have emerged about Teixeira have put him in the frame as a person of interest in the leak investigation.
Deployed in the 102nd intelligence wing of the Massachusetts air national guard, Teixeira was also a key member of a group of about 30 people who shared an interest in guns, video games and racist memes.
Face:
(https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/10F63/production/_129357496_jackteixeira.jpg)
Youthful looking (neoteny) =/= Aryan looking (gracility).
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The GIF you posted is Eurocentrist propaganda. It is easy to find counterexamples:
https://img1.doubanio.com/view/photo/l/public/p2335599129.webp
https://up.gc-img.net/post_img_web/2021/12/d73b143732c14c2042f5c785bc41652d_22282.jpeg
(See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg8720/#msg8720 )
Gracility and neoteny are not the same thing, as there exist people who are already robust as children (e.g. https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg17900/#msg17900 ). When we associate gracility with neoteny, we are talking about those who were not robust as children who also manage to avoid gaining robustness during puberty being more neotenous than (and hence superior to) those who were not robust as children but who gain robustness during puberty.
The general rule is: the lighter the effects of puberty on a person, the more neotenous the person is.
This is most clearly seen in body hair (which increases most during puberty):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_hair#Across_populations
Stewart W. Hindley and Albert Damon of the Department of Anthropology at Stanford University studied, in 1973, the frequency of hair on the middle finger joint (mid-phalangeal hair) of Solomon Islanders, as a part of a series of anthropometric studies of these populations. They summarize other studies on prevalence of this trait as reporting, in general, that Caucasoids are more likely to have hair on the middle finger joint than Negroids and Mongoloids, and collect the following frequencies from previously published literature: Andamanese 0%, Eskimo 1%, African American 16% or 28%, Ethiopians 25.6%, Mexicans of the Yucatan 20.9%, Penobscot and Shinnecock 22.7%, Gurkha 33.6%, Japanese 44.6%, various Hindus 40–50%, Egyptians 52.3%, Near Eastern peoples 62–71%, various Europeans 60–80%. However, they never completed an Androgenic hair map.[18]
According to anthropologist and professor Ashley Montagu in 1989, Asian people and black people such as the San people are less hairy than white people. Montagu said that the hairless feature is a neotenous trait.[19]
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/826d0f6ea786a51307b519e155e70795/d404b1e502a3a186-b4/s1280x1920/bec3ecf65bac4abd567b8b54f832173c80def249.png)
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I recently found this GIF of skulls. However, I could only find the GIF showing the differences in the two races shown. Though I have seen gracile face shapes in people of all races, it is rare, and I would say even rarer in East Asians. I've always wondered why I couldn't see many East Asians as other people do in terms of how neotenous they are, and this GIF helped me see why. It seems like a lot of people do not consider gracility and neoteny in the same boat, as many faces considered, "neotenous" are quite round and wide looking...Unless I am seeing wrong.
GIF:
https://imgur.com/BMrYSWZ
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Another prodigy:
https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2023/2/9-year-old-nigerian-boy-david-balogun-becomes-one-of-the-youngest-ever-high-school-graduates.html
He said he especially enjoys math and science, especially nuclear chemistry, and he hopes to one day go into astronomy, engineering or software development.
When he's not studying, David said he also enjoys building robots
Face:
(https://lindaikejisblog.com/photos/shares/230206_gma_digital_davidbalogun_hpMain_1x1_384_1675777243.jpg)
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I agree academically with our enemy Taylor:
https://www.amren.com/news/2022/10/anthony-trollopes-white-genius/
It occurred to me, as I read the last few pages of Barchester Towers, that a taste for Anthony Trollope is something else that sends an almost unerring racial signal. You could add “reads Trollope” to the profile of people you would like to meet through a dating service, and you wouldn’t have to specify race. If Detroit still has public libraries, I bet the Trollope volumes never leave the shelves.
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people who are forced to read him before they are old enough to understand him hate him just as they hate Shakespeare or Dickens, but for those who discover him when they are ready, he is pure joy.
In other words, only the sufficiently adulterated can like Trollope.
Some people like this kind of writing and some don’t. Some people like opera and some don’t. But I think it is hard to like Anthony Trollope and not be white.
This is hardly unique to Trollope, of course. All the great authors of Western literature — and some critics do not even rank Trollope among the really great — have the same subtle understanding of human nature and make the same demands on readers. They appeal to a sensibility that is not only thoroughly adult, but adult in a way that is thoroughly European.
In other words, Taylor's claim is that low neoteny is a defining characteristic of "whiteness". I agree with this claim. I have explained before that the way in which True Left wokeness despise "whiteness" should be emotionally similar to the way in which Original Nobility despises adulthood. This is in contrast to the False Left approach of attempting to portray "non-whites" as more mature than "whites".
The enemy article also includes a picture of Trollope:
(https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Anthony-Trollope-416x600.jpeg)
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg6238/?topicseen#msg6238
I believe that Western civilization considers itself superior to non-Western civilizations in the same sense that adults consider themselves superior to children. And just as children have been mostly conditioned to agree that adults really are superior by accepting the adult standards of superiority, non-Western civilizations have similarly been mostly conditioned to agree that Western civilization is superior by accepting Western standards of superiority. Only we can see that the truth is the complete opposite.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korean-piano-prodigy-yunchan-230715061.html
South Korean piano prodigy Yunchan Lim becomes youngest ever to conquer prestigious Van Cliburn
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While Lim performed an expansive repertoire of works throughout the competition, from concertos by Beethoven and Mozart to Lizst’s “Transcendental Etudes,” his most groundbreaking performance was a riveting rendition of Rachmaninov’s “Piano Concerto No. 3,” which moved the piece’s legendary conductor Marin Alsop to tears.
Face:
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/MAU.1QcO8jCJKa4__jYFhA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5NztjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/QEV1vyHlo.Tli_SktDby.A--~B/aD00NTA7dz04MDA7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/nextshark_articles_509/6db5e4594c2709315c89c9496afcb395)
Actually, here are the top three (also countrywise a good sample of where Western civilization is most intactly preserved):
https://twitter.com/TheCliburn/status/1538329233478516736
Announcing the medalists of the Sixteenth Van Cliburn International Piano Competition.
GOLD MEDALIST
Yunchan Lim / 임윤찬, South Korea, 18
SILVER MEDALIST
Anna Geniushene / Анна Генюшене, Russia, 31
BRONZE MEDALIST
Dmytro Choni / Дмитро Чоні, Ukraine, 28
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVk-R6wXwAAExO3?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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Good news!
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-ai-giant-megviis-chief-093000513.html
Sun Jian, the 45-year-old chief scientist of Chinese artificial intelligence (AI) firm Megvii Technology, died on Tuesday of a sudden illness, which the company did not specify.
"Dr Sun Jian has dedicated his whole life to scientific research. With his unfortunate passing, Megvii has lost a leader in the exploration of and innovation in the AI technology field," the facial recognition company said in a statement.
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Sun was named by MIT Technology Review on its Innovators under 35 list in 2010, and he was the recipient of a range of industry and academic awards. He also had 35 US patents to his name, 13 of which were registered internationally, most of them from his time at Microsoft.
Face:
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fh0L8_4UF8ndMQxXU5LWAg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTk3NztjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/Gx4g_aFpZ1rY3ZKbQKg3LQ--~B/aD0yMDM1O3c9MTk5OTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/south_china_morning_post_us_228/e8ce2c628abb6abeaf2b9ebd56ba787b)
All machinist bloodlines must be eliminated ASAP.
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I was discussing the oblong face with Zea_Mays over email one time. Here is our dialogue:
Whenever in doubt, I recommend going back to neoteny. While we agree that Oblong is less robust than Square, do you not think that Oblong is actually the LEAST neotenous of all the shapes, even less so than Square? I have seen children with Square, Pentagon, Round and Oval faces, but have you ever seen a child with an Oblong face? I haven't. Therefore Oblong could be viewed as a terminal group for selective pressure that minimizes neoteny.
From a face shape standpoint I agree Oblongs are the least neotenous (I've also never seen a child with such a shape), but if we also take into account somatotype, many Oblongs seem to be rather tall/skinny. This leads me to think that they must have at least some interplay with Ovals (who are the 'core' ectomorphic type). Perhaps Oblongs are a terminal group rather than a 'transition' group, but if shapes like the Square and Pentagon--which are associated with core racial groups--can transform, surely Oblongs could too?
Again let's look at how children's face shapes change as they become adults.
Square adults were Square or Round children.
Pentagon adults were Pentagon, Oval or Round children.
Oval adults were Oval, Round or Pentagon children. (Note that this is the same set as the Pentagon.)
Round adults were Round, Oval or Pentagon children. (Same set again.)
Oblong adults were Oval or Square children.
Not only is the Oblong the odd one out in terms of not being able to map onto itself, but also the Pentagon, Oval and Round taken together map onto themselves. This suggests to me that the Oblong is a dead end.
That is a very good argument. I suppose if I look at the transitions in a more "fluid" manner, then having shapes take a "detour" through a group like the Elongated Pentagon before transforming into Oval makes more sense than going directly through the Oblong.
It is interesting that you mention a connection between Rounds and Ovals. It is technically possible for an Oval to be reduced to a Round, although I'm not sure how common this is in real life.
Yes, consider school shooter Adam Lanza. Here is a picture of (pre-teen) Lanza, where he tends toward oval:
(https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/adam-lanza1.jpg)
Contrast with adult Lanza, where he is clearly tending toward oblong:
(https://static.miraheze.org/reallifevillainswiki/thumb/3/3f/V8mM9y7_d.jpg/330px-V8mM9y7_d.jpg)
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More prodigy faces supplied by our enemies:
(https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/57255/VDARE-neumann.jpg)
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg12387/#msg12387
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Our enemies posted this article:
https://vdare.com/posts/the-east-asian-takeover-of-the-putnam-mathematical-competition
it appears to be a very big deal in the math prodigy world and attracts a lot of the top talent.
but rather than focus on ethnicity, I noticed the face shapes:
(https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/57224/VDARE-putnam.jpg)
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/12-she-just-became-youngest-010854109.html
On Wednesday, Sawsan, who towers at nearly 5-foot-8 like some of her peers, but wears ponytails and other hair-dos carefully styled by her mom, graduated from Broward College, the youngest graduate in the school’s 61-year history. A 15-year-old previously held the record.
The now-12-year-old earned an associate’s degree with a concentration in biological science and a 4.0 GPA. In January, she will go on to the University of Florida, where she will study microbiology and cell science.
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On the professional side, Sawsan dreams of working with artificial intelligence in medicine.
Face:
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/NRn5urAxXgb4T53v9.CQDQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/M8xFkhKlPva81GVL9E4..w--~B/aD04NTU7dz0xMTQwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/miami_herald_mcclatchy_975/1b18e5fb20f40331992ea2e3328d4de9)
We previously covered another prodigy here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg7509/#msg7509
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg7528/#msg7528
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg7516/#msg7516
(https://img.olhardigital.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Laurent-Simons.jpg)
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https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/barron-trump-shows-off-his-6-foot-7-height-in-nyc/
Trump is so proud of his son Barron being 6'7" at 15, saying his 37-year-old son's a short guy at 6'6".....
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Returning to the distinction between neoteny and paedomorphy (see above), a good example of the latter just appeared:
https://us.yahoo.com/news/tiktok-star-xiao-qiumei-dies-122938104.html
Xiao Qiumei, an influencer from China, reportedly died after falling from a 160-foot crane while recording herself for a social-media post in Quzhou, China.
The Sun reported that the 23-year-old was speaking into a camera in what appeared to be a crane cabin when she fell.
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/K02x86UfvONdj5Zh36LpFQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7aD0xODAwO2NmPXdlYnA-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/business_insider_articles_888/843e901794a377b9f31fc075f9ab5979)
And the best evidence that paedomorphy is indeed not neoteny is the following line:
Xiao had two children.
The truly neotenous do not reproduce so early, as (by definition of the term) our youth is extended. Many of us never reproduce at all. Padeomorphs, on the other hand, tend to be highly fertile (and possessing high sex drive). This confirms what I explained a long time ago: paedomorphy is a mere superficial effect not caused by neoteny, and even whose physiognomy (e.g. round face with reduced features) is very different from that produced by neoteny (e.g. oval face with gracilized features).
Of course, paedomorphs should eventually be prohibited from reproducing.
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Jokic's brother demonstrates non-Aryan agressiveness:
https://youtu.be/ghwGgwbopWY
For the record:
Nuggets' Nikola Jokic's Brother Strahinja Arrested on Suspicion of Assault
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2856227-nuggets-nikola-jokics-brother-strahinja-arrested-on-suspicion-of-assault
Strahinja Jokic, who is the brother of Denver Nuggets big man Nikola Jokic, was arrested on suspicion of assault after allegedly choking and pushing a woman in an apartment on Thursday night.
Elise Schmelzer of the Denver Post reported the news, noting police said Jokic—who had been drinking—shoved a woman he wouldn't let leave the apartment they were in. They also said he grabbed and choked her when she went to call for help from a balcony, threatening to do so "until she fell asleep."
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-aggressiveness/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-sexism/
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I was just thinking about Jokic, but couldn't decide which thread to post in. Jokic as an individual has not demonstrated Gentile behavior (yet), so I didn't know whether to even talk about him. But now that our enemies are, we get a chance to view Turanian genetics.
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These days, our enemies are so onboard with Duginism that they praise virtually anything done by Serbs:
https://vdare.com/posts/big-serb-wins-nba-mvp-award
But at least we get a side view of a low, sloping forehead plus heavy brow ridge and nose (all low neoteny traits) out of it:
(https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/55103/maxresdefault_1_.jpg)
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As usual, the mainstream treatment fails to distinguish between neoteny and paedomorphy (or, to use Zea_Mayz's helpful terminology, gracilization vs reduction). Worse, this video gets sexual dimorphism wrong as well, claiming "men with low sexual dimorphism look more feminine". No, they look less masculine. It seems only Westerners have trouble understanding this. Less masculine =/= more feminine, and less feminine =/= more masculine FFS!
Related topic:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/
"with South Korean pop stars, too many of then have had surgery to be taken on their word as bearing genuine neoteny"
Yes, and moreover, their surgery really does make them look more feminine (as opposed to less masculine), further confusing the issue when they are used as examples. Some of their features are actually quite robust, but merely artificially smoothed. This is why they look so disturbing (and ugly) in our eyes. In many cases the faces obviously do not fit the bodies they are attached to.
"Still time for some idealistic interpretation about this?"
Those with a truly neotenous appearance often have a tragic air to them, a visual impression that they do not really belong in this world. This impression is utterly absent from the K-Pop aesthetic, which is wholly a product of worldliness and carries no sense of tragedy whatsoever. This is also reflected in the music.....
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Why Asians Look Cute - a bit about neoteny here, though from a materialist perspective.
https://youtu.be/COkvq7WKy9Q
Still, the science is confirmed. Neoteny is inheritable and it's almost universally deemed attractive.
So, go figure that an industry like modelling and pop star manufacture use it for millions of dollars.
Still time for some idealistic interpretation about this? And more universal, not just "Asians."Plus, it's hard to believe with South Korean pop stars, too many of then have had surgery to be taken on their word as bearing genuine neoteny. Average people with childhood and early 20s pics compared in S. Korea or most people in N. Korea would be better. The thumbnail, for one, has people who have definitely been under the knife and are wearing a lot of make up with studio lighting/photo filter, etc.
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I have seen False Leftists insult rightists such as Ben Shapiro (Jew) by calling him “short” and “pre pubescent”. As True Leftists, this is unacceptable given our aesthetic standards that value neoteny. IMO this is a slavish attitude that seeks to uphold Western aesthetics, similar to how a bullied boy gets “revenge” by bullying others.
This was particularly appalling to me as I have dealt with this type of behavior; my parents would take out their frustration on me, and kids in school would exclude me because the same was done to them. What’s worse is soon I found myself nearly acting the same way towards my younger siblings!
Back then, I didn’t want to sound too “whiny”, but now I realize that the tactics false leftists use are remarkably similar, and how this attitude is fundamentally Judaic. This illustrates the False Left’s deference to authority. Their superficial opposition to authority only extends insofar as it serves their self interest, after which point they will lash out as those perceived to be “lesser” than them. Thoughts?
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"IMO this is a slavish attitude that seeks to uphold Western aesthetics"
You are correct. Not that Shapiro is even that neotenous in reality (which just makes the False Left insult all the more absurd)! Most obviously, look at his huge facial hair area (entire lower cheek and jawline) and forearm hair:
A neotenous man should not have to shave his cheeks/jawline. (Eventually I want men to be selectively bred until they have no facial hair at all.)
But this is not even the main point. The main point is about why rightists and False Leftists each consider the other immature. I believe it is schematically equivalent to how men and women typically each consider the opposite gender less mature than their own gender (according to their own gender's conception of maturity). Basically rightists stereotype False Leftists similarly to how men stereotype women (ie. as girls), whereas False Leftists stereotype rightists similarly to how women stereotype men (ie. as boys).
"similar to how a bullied boy gets “revenge” by bullying others"
It is not revenge (which must be directed at the initiator of violence); what you are describing is tradition in the truest sense of the phenomenon: each generation being taught to accept being bullied now in exchange for a chance to be the bully in the future.
Revenge is in fact the best antidote to tradition: instead of the present generation taking out the frustration accumulated from being bullied by the previous generation by bullying the next generation in turn (thereby passing on the frustration to them, and ensuring the cycle continues), simply take out the frustration by retaliating against the previous generation (thereby breaking the cycle)!
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For reference:
www.bbc.com/future/article/20160418-the-real-reason-men-grow-beards
our research on beards and voices shows that beards probably evolved at least partly to help men boost their standing among other men.
Compared to males and females of many other primates, men and women on average look very different from each other – partly thanks to men’s facial hair. And when we see differences between males and females, the explanation often boils down to evolution through sexual selection – the process that favours traits that boost mating opportunities.
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a number of studies have suggested that both men and women perceive men with beards as older, stronger and more aggressive than others. And dominant men can get more mating opportunities by intimidating rivals to stand aside.
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Beards aren’t the only feature that can convey dominance – voices do too. People tend to vote for leaders with lower-pitched voices, and during competitive tasks men lower the pitch of their voice if they think they are more dominant than their opponent. Like facial hair, voice pitch also easily distinguishes men and women.
In other words, the less a culture values dominance, the weaker would be the selective pressure for large facial hair area (as well as low voice pitch) among men. Thus the racial ideal corresponding to the kind of culture we want would include minimal facial hair area and minimal vocal sexual dimorphism. Both of these are associated with high neoteny, since prepubescent boys and girls both have no facial hair and insignificant difference in vocal pitch.
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www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051201022811.htm
Hanson and Gluckman, who respectively head the Centre for the Developmental Origins of Health and Disease (DOHaD) at the University of Southampton, and the Liggins Institute at the University of Auckland, New Zealand, researched the age of puberty stretching back beyond the Stone Age.
They found that Paleolithic girls arrived at menarche - the first occurrence of menstruation - between seven and 13 years. This is a similar age to modern girls, which suggests that this is the evolutionarily determined age of puberty in girls.
'This would have matched the degree of psychosocial maturation necessary to function as an adult in Paleolithic society based on small groups of hunter-gatherers,' they write.
Now you understand why non-Aryans have so called "coming of age" rituals, where they learn to "act their age" and chastise others for not doing the same (effectively revitalizing the Paleolithic era where immature individuals would be considered unworthy and would be excommunicated from the tribe), be it Bar mitzvahs in the case of Jews, or other rituals such as hazing in the case of Gentiles.
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"So, one can have non-neoteny appearance like the supreme leaders, yet can be Aryans from their actions, right?"
An individual can be noble in actions*. This does not imply that the same individual can reliably produce biological descendants who will also be noble in action. Aryan (as used to describe blood) refers to the latter phenomenon, or what we call heritable nobility.
(* This can also be simulated to a high degree of credibility by any sufficiently cunning individual who wants to pretend to be noble.)
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“ * This can also be simulated to a high degree of credibility by any sufficiently cunning individual who wants to pretend to be noble.)”
This must be why many Hollywood movies feature Jews playing the role of noble characters, precisely because they are good at feigning their personality on screen.
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I told you so:
scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=pjn.2017.351.358
Statistical analysis revealed that age at menarche was negatively correlated with endomorphy and mesomorphy components (r = -0.22 and r = -0.123, respectively), but positively correlated with ectomorphy component (r = 0.207). Conclusion: The findings indicated that age at menarche increases with increasing ectomorphy, but decreases with endomorphy and mesomorphy components. Thus, girls with high endomorphy and mesomorphy attained menarche earlier than did girls with high ectomorphy.
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"Could the philosophies of pre-modern peoples outside the West reflect a childlike stage of cognitive development?"
Yes!
"Why did Europeans reach Piaget's final stage of “formal operational reasoning” long before the Rest?"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny_in_humans#Between_races,_ethnicities_and_among_primates
Montagu said that the "Mongoloid skull generally, whether Chinese or Japanese, has been rather more neotenized than the Caucasoid or European...,"[52] and Montagu added that "Chinese peoples" are "perhaps" the best representatives of neoteny out of the Mongoloids.[53] ... Montagu also observed that "the skeleton of the classic Mongoloid type is very delicately made, even down to the character of the sutures of the skull which, like those of the infant skull, are relatively smooth and untortuous.
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Montagu said that Negroids have the following neotenous traits relative to Caucasoids: flattish nose, flat roof of the nose, small ears, narrower joints, frontal skull eminences, later closure of the premaxillary sutures, less hairy, longer eyelashes and cruciform pattern of the lower second and third molars.[3]
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Example of Jewish non-neoteny:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecw74LhUcAIJlu2?format=jpg&name=medium)