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Questions & Debates / Re: National Socialists were socialists
« Last post by antihellenistic on January 03, 2026, 08:01:26 am »
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"social stratification"

Complaining about this makes you an egalitarian.

Putting an end to social stratification that obstructs the formation of a life grounded in empathy and simplicity cannot be condemned. Social stratification produced by apartheid practices and capitalism is justified in being transformed. A form of stratification based on the degree to which individuals understand empathy and the allocation of the means and results of production—ranging from those who understand it most to those who are least willing to do so—is the appropriate form of social stratification. I have not been an egalitarian from the outset of this discussion.



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Issues / Re: Demographic Blueshift
« Last post by 90sRetroFan on January 02, 2026, 10:22:14 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2bF7QA4wY

Woke comments:

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Tommy Tuberville is the enemy within, not Mamdani.

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Tubberville has already proven himself to be a great hero of Mother Russia

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Hell with the " enemy is within the gates " ..........the enemy is within the White House " !!!!

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The enemy is white nationalism, not Islam.

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These attacks on Mamdani are created by racist biggoted individuals whose only aim is ethnic cleansing which is currently being demonstrated by the deportions of minorities and people of color willy nilly without due process and that includes US citizens. The American people need to keep voting for more people like Mamdanni.

I am reserving my judgement on Mamdani himself for now as I am not yet sure he will be as leftist as we need him to be, but at least if Mamdani can win, perhaps someone even further left can also win somewhere else.
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News / Re: Red coup
« Last post by 90sRetroFan on January 02, 2026, 05:59:58 pm »
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Questions & Debates / Re: National Socialists were socialists
« Last post by 90sRetroFan on January 02, 2026, 07:03:09 am »
"social stratification"

Complaining about this makes you an egalitarian.

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Questions & Debates / Re: National Socialists were socialists
« Last post by antihellenistic on January 02, 2026, 06:01:42 am »
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"voluntary transaction activities do not result in a “non-violent” condition."

Yes, they do. Voluntary = non-violent.

Voluntary transactions give rise to a social order structured around economic activity governed by the laws of the market mechanism. These laws systematically generate social stratification, in which actors who are aggressive, competitive, dynamic, and innovative are structurally positioned to prevail in transactions and to appropriate the circulation of money within the economy. Conversely, those who are weak, vulnerable, sensitive, and more empathetic are structurally disadvantaged, tending to lose in market competition and to be excluded from access to economic circulation. Their systematic failure produces structural poverty and social brutalization, arising from the dominance and victorious position of aggressive market actors.

To date, you have failed to provide a concrete historical or empirical example in which the application of market mechanism laws has succeeded in abolishing social brutality, racism, and socially conditioned aggressiveness. For this reason, I continue to maintain my position.

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Disadvantages of a Market Economy

Disadvantage =/= violence.

Poverty, social violence, and practices of domination exercised by actors who are aggressive, dynamic, innovative, and psychopathic over those who are sensitive, empathetic, and cooperative constitute structural consequences of the enforcement of market laws and of economic activity that is not centrally planned, but instead unfolds spontaneously and through voluntary transactions. These consequences function as material barriers to the establishment of socialism and to the abolition of violence that has arisen from the operation of these so-called natural laws of the market economy.

And yet, where exactly is the socialist movement that still accepts economic activity organized around voluntary transactions governed by so-called natural market laws? I contend that no genuine socialist movement has ever accepted such an economic conception, for it stands in direct contradiction to the very foundations of socialism itself.

Moreover, there is no historical evidence that Hitler—the figure you hold up as a model—ever endorsed the application of market laws or so-called “voluntary transactions.”  You should therefore cease invoking Hitler as an inspiration in both online and offline political discussion forums. Hitler supported a planned economic structure rather than an economy based on voluntary transactions governed by supposedly natural market mechanisms.

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War has given rise to poverty everywhere, this indicates a chronic crisis in the body of an obsolete system [Additional information from my friend]
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Issues / Re: Media decolonization
« Last post by 90sRetroFan on January 02, 2026, 12:59:37 am »
Not this Eurocentric (and implicit Arctic Alliance) **** again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA-py0UdQ8Q

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF8iA--YWJQ

The analysis is accurate, but it assumes Xi behaves like a rational player. What if he does not? So long as Eurocentrist Xi has no intention to collect, the bargaining debt Russia has accumulated means nothing no matter how large it is in theory.

Worse, if instead of playing the both ethically and strategically correct move of taking Russian territory, Xi decides to play the both unethical and strategically imbecilic move of invading Taiwan, China could find itself facing problems similar to those that Russia is currently facing, thereby negating the advantageous position it currently holds over Russia.

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If China was to attack Russia right now, who would help putin.

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Outter Manchuria was stolen off China 🇨🇳  - plain an simple. Outter Manchuria is China 🇨🇳 and must be taken back.

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All Xi need to do is quietly move the borders west & north.

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Yeah, why should Xi bother with Taiwan, when it can have russia’s east with almost no resistance

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Hopefully China takes parts of Russia and stops bothering Taiwan.

Meanwhile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY3k256el4o

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Questions & Debates / Re: National Socialists were socialists
« Last post by 90sRetroFan on January 01, 2026, 11:24:01 pm »
"voluntary transaction activities do not result in a “non-violent” condition."

Yes, they do. Voluntary = non-violent.

"A “non-violent” condition can only be realized if economic activities based on the principles of “free enterprise” and “freedom of transactions” are brought to an end in the sphere of general society through the enforcement of a planned economy."

This is self-contradictory.

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Disadvantages of a Market Economy

Disadvantage =/= violence.
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Questions & Debates / Re: National Socialists were socialists
« Last post by antihellenistic on January 01, 2026, 08:55:37 pm »
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"Voluntary transactions lead to economic outcomes that tend to prioritize the groups that win those transactions"

Yes, non-violent transactions tend to prioritize those who do not initiate violence. That's the point.

Voluntary transaction activities that have been operating for a long time have resulted in the exploitation of labor in the pursuit of improving the quality and quantity of production, with no clear endpoint. They have also led to the circulation of money and transactions being concentrated only among certain groups that win the competition for market share, rather than circulating among people who have acted ethically, empathetically, and non-aggressively but have failed to compete in securing market share. Thus, voluntary transaction activities do not result in a “non-violent” condition. A “non-violent” condition can only be realized if economic activities based on the principles of “free enterprise” and “freedom of transactions” are brought to an end in the sphere of general society through the enforcement of a planned economy.

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Disadvantages of a Market Economy

- Inevitable periods of economic crisis due to the usual business cycle ebb and flow

- Possibly higher unemployment levels as compared to command economies

- Wider economic and social gaps

- Possible exploitation of labor

- Basic necessities may be harder to provide as they are affected by demand and supply

Profiteering is favored over social welfare

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Market Economy Overview and definition of a market economy

https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/economics/definition-market-economy/

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...In a market economics systems, the rich have far more choice and economic freedom. Production is geared to meet the needs and wants of the wealthy, thus basic services for the poorer members of society may be neglected.

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...The absence of government control means that public goods, such as street lighting, public roads and national defence, may not be provided. Relief of poverty in society might only be done through voluntary charities.

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The advantages and disadvantages of the market economic system

https://www.uyir.at/explore/eshaaan/the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-the-market-economic-system

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"rather than providing assistance and protection to vulnerable, weak, and exploited people who are trapped in precarious working conditions as a result of the operation of such voluntary economic transactions"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-national-socialists-were-socialists-3223/msg30564/#msg30564

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You keep talking about workers being exploited by the private sector, but the sufficient solution is for the state to ensure that public sector jobs are readily available, so that workers dissatisfied with their private sector jobs can easily switch to public sector jobs. You, however, want to eliminate private sector jobs altogether. Then what if the public sector is exploitative? I want to maintain the private sector precisely to guard against this possibility, so that workers dissatisfied with their public sector jobs can also easily switch back to private sector jobs. But what is your solution for workers exploited by the public sector if no private sector exists as an alternative?

To provide protection for individuals who are sensitive but lack the intellectual capacity to compete under the laws of “free enterprise” and the “market economy,” economic activities based on those laws should be restricted to specific zones only. Furthermore, no individual should be allowed to own capital, so that they can be more easily guided to live in an fair, empathetic, and less aggressive manner.
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True Left vs Right / Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Last post by 90sRetroFan on January 01, 2026, 06:14:24 pm »
Today we will look at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mousetrap

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A mousetrap is a specialized type of animal trap designed primarily to catch and, usually, kill mice. Mousetraps are usually set in an indoor location where there is a suspected infestation of rodents. Larger traps are designed to catch other species of animals, such as rats, squirrels, and other small rodents. Trap types differ significantly in effectiveness, potential harm to wildlife and pets, and the level of suffering caused, with some raising serious welfare and environmental concerns.



Note that they come from one and only one civilization. Can you guess which one?

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An early reference to mousetraps is found in the Ancient Greek parody The Battle of Frogs and Mice: "... by unheard-of arts they had contrived a wooden snare, a destroyer of Mice, which they call a trap.".[43]

In English, reference to a mousetrap is made as early as the 14th century in The Canterbury Tales by Chaucer. The reference is located in the prelude section, written in the late 1300s. While introducing the Nun, Chaucer writes in lines 144-145, "She wolde wepe, if that she saugh a mous/Kaught in a trappe, if it were deed or bledde." Mousetraps are also referenced in Shakespeare's Hamlet (Act III, scene 2)
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A mousetrap (Spanish: ratonera) figures prominently in the second chapter of the 1554 Spanish novel Lazarillo de Tormes, in which the hero Lazarillo steals cheese from a mousetrap to alleviate his hunger.

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A historical reference is found in Alciatis Emblemata[40] from 1534. Several trap designs were described by Leonard Mascall in 1590.[41]

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The trap that is credited as the first patented lethal mousetrap was a set of spring-loaded, cast-iron jaws dubbed "Royal No. 1".[1][2] It was patented on 4 November 1879 by James M. Keep of New York, US patent 221,320.[3]
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The spring-loaded mousetrap was first patented by William C. Hooker of Abingdon, Illinois, who received US patent 528671 for his design in 1894.[4][5] A British inventor, James Henry Atkinson, patented a similar trap called the "Little Nipper" in 1898, including variations that had a weight-activated treadle as the trip.[6][7]
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It is a simple device with a heavily spring-loaded bar and a trip to release it. Cheese may be placed on the trip as bait, but other food such as oats, chocolate, bread, meat, butter and peanut butter are also used. The spring-loaded bar swings down rapidly and with great force when anything, usually a mouse, touches the trip. The design is such that the mouse's neck or spinal cord will be broken, or its ribs or skull crushed, by the force of the bar. The trap can be held over a bin and the dead mouse released into it by pulling the bar.
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In 1899, John Mast of Lititz, Pennsylvania, filed a U.S. patent for a modification of Hooker's design that can be "readily set or adjusted with absolute safety to the person attending thereto, avoiding the liability of having his fingers caught or injured by the striker when it is prematurely or accidentally freed or released."[9]
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An electric mousetrap delivers a lethal dose of electricity when the rodent completes the circuit by contacting two electrodes located either at the entrance or between the entrance and the bait. The electrodes are housed in an insulated or plastic box to prevent accidental injury to humans and pets. They can be designed for single-catch domestic use or large multiple-catch commercial use. See U.S. patent 4,250,655 and U.S. patent 4,780,985.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4250655

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Inventor Rupert H. Munns

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4780985

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Inventor Claude G. Coots

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A style of trap that has been used extensively by researchers in the biological sciences for capturing animals such as mice is the Sherman trap.
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Glue traps are made using natural or synthetic adhesive applied to cardboard, plastic trays or similar material. Bait can be placed in the center or a scent may be added to the adhesive by the manufacturer.
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Trapped mice eventually die from exposure, dehydration, starvation, suffocation, or predation, or are killed by people when the trap is checked.
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Bucket traps may be lethal or non-lethal.[24] Both types have a ramp which leads to the rim of a deep-walled container, such as a bucket. The variations are many with some being single-catch and some multi-catch.[25]

The bucket may contain a liquid to drown the trapped mouse. The mouse is baited to the top of the container where it falls into the bucket and drowns. Sometimes soap or caustic or poison chemicals are used in the bucket as killing agents.
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There are several types of one-time use, disposable mousetraps,[26][27] generally made of inexpensive materials which are designed to be disposed of after catching a mouse. These mousetraps have similar trapping mechanisms as other traps, however, they generally conceal the dead mouse so it can be disposed of without being sighted.
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Traps using motion and heat sensors are used in places like sewers.[28] Sensors detect the prey and trigger a chisel-like spear-mechanism that kills the target.[28] Sewage flow removes target from the trap which is ready to kill again.[28]
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Strong concerns have been raised about the environmental harm and the level of suffering caused by some types of traps, relative to their effectiveness.

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A 2003 study ranked different rodent control methods according to their level of humaneness.[34] The researchers noted that preventive steps, such as sealing entry points, are effective but underused.

Since when have Westerners preferred prevention?  ::)

Related:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/misinformation-about-racial-origins/msg3083/#msg3083

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https://www.gutenberg.org/files/17093/17093-h/17093-h.htm

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-powered_mousetrap
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