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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #75 on: May 03, 2024, 02:10:37 am »


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Uninhabitable meaning that heat waves are becoming longer and hotter. The limitations to the human body will not allow it to cool once the wet bulb temperature reaches 98.6 which we are approaching now during the the most intense heat waves

With the temperature continually rising, we can only expect that this will become more prevalent throughout the year as well as widespread in area affected. So if you read between the lines, these areas will not be safe to go outside at certain points of the year for any length of time.

Soon after the insurance companies will bail, the economy will crash in that area.

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If we don't do anything we will be the frogs that get cooked slowly in that story.

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Time to move up north or down south

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Australia?

Australia is a good option, as it is one of the most to blame for global warming:



If Australia refuses to accept climate refugees, it should be militarily invaded.

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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #76 on: May 03, 2024, 07:25:25 pm »


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Seriously, DW?! "Communities like these will have to find ways to adapt in the years ahead"? They are suffering the consequences of production and consumption patterns of developed countries, and THEY HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO ADAPT?

So long as the way to adapt is by migrating to the countries which are to blame.

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Fingers crossed what happens when the international community, particularly the global south becomes more aware about how other countries remotely destroyed their living environment.

They eliminate the gene pool behind the Industrial Revolution?

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Migrate to Alaska

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Cool in New England

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Here in Scotland it's spring but still under 10'C.

You know where to go. Will you start moving soon?

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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #77 on: May 31, 2024, 05:17:48 pm »


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If you're at the point where you have to burn through electricity to power AC all day just to survive indoors, you do have to start questioning whether that location is a viable long term habitat for humans.

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I honestly feel mostly sorry for all the animals being affected by this, who are completely innocent, and also all the people in the poor regions of the world who’s lifestyles have not caused this but yet they are the first who will die from either the heat itself, or from lack of water or food as a result, or the famine that this will cause.

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There's no way the whole Indian subcontinent and the other at-risk areas will be able to protect all the people that live there.

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let human wave russia

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it’s gonna get a lot more crowded here in New England

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I'll celebrate when the habitable area reaches Finland.

Any country with a significant number of global warming deniers is probably a good destination country for climate refugees.
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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2024, 03:58:20 pm »
Expect more of the same soon:

Residents of Gardj Sugdub are the first of 63 communities living along Panama's Caribbean and Pacific coasts to be relocated due to their island sinking beneath sea levels.
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The Gunas of Gardi Sugdub, an island with a 200-year-old history and home to about 300 families, will be relocated to the mainland as part of a $12m (Ł9.4m) project to bring people to safer shores.

Steven Paton, director of the Smithsonian Institution's physical monitoring program in Panama, said the upcoming move "is a direct consequence of climate change through the increase in sea level".
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Some residents have decided to stay until it's no longer safe to do so, an official with Panama's ministry of housing said, adding no one is currently being forced to leave against their will.
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"The islands on average are only a half-meter above sea level, and as that level rises, sooner or later the Gunas are going to have to abandon all of the islands almost surely by the end of the century or earlier," Mr Paton said.

Why stop at mainland Panama, a tropical habitat which will heat up even more within the foreseeable future? Why not take the chance to relocate to a cooler habitat by making use of the already operational routes described here?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/drowning-kidnap-and-jaguars-travelling-the-deadly-darien-gap-migrant-route-to-th/msg22710/#msg22710
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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2024, 12:32:26 pm »
They could have become climate refugees and Operation Gaddafi activists simultaneously, but instead:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/diplomats-least-550-pilgrims-died-192230946.html

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Diplomats on Tuesday said at least 550 pilgrims died during the hajj, underscoring the gruelling nature of the pilgrimage which again unfolded in scorching temperatures this year.

At least 323 of those who died were Egyptians, most of them succumbing to heat-related illnesses
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At least 60 Jordanians also died, the diplomats said, up from an official tally of 41 given earlier on Tuesday by Amman.

The new deaths bring the total reported so far by multiple countries to 577, according to an AFP tally.
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The hajj is one of the five pillars of Islam and all Muslims with the means must complete it at least once.

The pilgrimage is increasingly affected by climate change, according to a Saudi study published last month that said temperatures in the area where rituals are performed were rising 0.4 degrees Celsius (0.72 degrees Fahrenheit) each decade.

Temperatures hit 51.8 degrees Celsius (125 Fahrenheit) at the Grand Mosque in Mecca on Monday

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Singapore-based futurist Parag Khanna (SFS’99, G’05) uses the lens of geopolitics to research the forces driving mass migration. In his new book, MOVE: The Forces Uprooting Us, he forecasts that despite two years of COVID-19 lockdown, the future of human civilization will be defined by mobility.

What drives voluntary and involuntary mobility around the world, Khanna explains, are forces like political instability, imbalances in labor markets, and climate change. His research analyzes trends in civil wars and conflicts, failing economies, technological disruption from AI and automation, and climate change displacement, and then synthesizes takeaways.

“These deep, fundamental drivers of human mobility long predate COVID and will long outlast COVID,” Khanna says. “The mass migrations of the past are not only going to continue, but also expand significantly, because all of these drivers are in overdrive.”

In MOVE, Khanna predicts that more Asian populations will move into Central Asia and Russia, and that both Asian and African populations will move into Europe. In the Americas,

he sees Canada taking leadership in accepting migrants, to the benefit of its cultural and economic future. And within the United States, he sees many people becoming climate migrants.

“There’s a large number of climate refugees in America, from forest fires, floods, and rising sea levels,” Khanna says. “America itself needs to think about climate adaptation and migration as a domestic issue, as well as a global one.”

MOVE also explores youth subcultures like #VanLife—in which young people voluntarily forego hyperconsumerism to live sustainably while staying digitally connected—as an important signal of change.

“One of the things I learned in this process of research is to take young people really seriously,” Khanna says. “We need to rebuild our economic, social, and political institutions to cater to their values, because they’re actually the right values to have for the kind of world we’re in today.”

Khanna says his interdisciplinary work was deeply influenced by his undergraduate experiences in the Walsh School of Foreign Service, especially in Professor Charles Pirtle’s Map of the Modern World class.

“Georgetown is one of just a handful of institutions that continue the tradition of teaching classical geopolitical theory. Very few people have the breadth of knowledge across disciplines to actually teach it. And Charles Pirtle was that man for an entire generation.”

Khanna remains close with Pirtle and connects his book to Pirtle’s class in particular.

“One of the most important things that he taught us is the complex layering of physical, political, and human geography,” Khanna says. “That’s really fundamentally what MOVE is about.”
Singapore-based futurist Parag Khanna (SFS’99, G’05) uses the lens of geopolitics to research the forces driving mass migration. In his new book, MOVE: The Forces Uprooting Us, he forecasts tha...
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Will climate change drive humans extinct or destroy civilization?
Almost certainly not—but unless we act quickly to stop warming the planet, there will be very severe consequences for many, many people.
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“Human extinction is not really the main worry,” says Schlosser. “There are going to be some really, really bad regional and local consequences. Consider island nations of the world—the type of warming that we're heading toward, with the expected sea level rise that could force them in many places to retreat or possibly abandon their homeland, is an existential threat to them.”

For many people, asking if climate change is the “end of the world” may be a way of asking if it’s the end of their world—if they should be taking steps to cope with widespread breakdowns in infrastructure or public services or the food supply. “And it depends upon where you live,” says Schlosser.
“I would give a very different answer if you were living in the Northeast United States as opposed to an island nation or the coastal plains of Bangladesh or in the middle of the Sahel.”

In part, this is due to unequal climate impacts: low-lying coastal areas facing two or three feet of sea level rise will suffer greatly whether they’re wealthy Miami or impoverished Kiribati. But there is also a basic injustice at work. Wealthier countries and regions have the most resources to prepare for, soften and recover from climate impacts. This means they’re more able to bounce back after a disaster strikes.

“The most vulnerable populations are the poorest populations,” says Schlosser. “If we do nothing about climate change, conditions are going to get worse for people who are poor and don't have the means to cope with it.”
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https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/will-climate-change-drive-humans-extinct-or-destroy-civilization

Climate Change, the Erosion of State Sovereignty, and World Order
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CLIMATE CHANGE AND ITS ATTENDANT impacts on natural resources have traditionally been treated as a“soft security” issue—a challenge to be managed, but not necessarily a disruptive factor in international security. Until recently, climate change was primarily the domain of specialized negotiators, such as environmental ministers and individuals present at the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). However, this has begun to change. In response to a growing body of research demonstrating a significant relationship between a changing climate and state fragility, the foreign policy and security establishments of a growing number of nations have become increasingly concerned. A flurry of national security strategies, defense papers, and intelligence assessments have suggested that climate change is a“threat multiplier”...
https://climateandsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/werrell_femia_final-article_climate-change_state-sovereignty_world-order.pdf

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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #81 on: July 10, 2024, 12:12:49 am »
Like I was saying (2:00-2:20):


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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #82 on: July 10, 2024, 09:28:32 pm »

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Once the air temperature hits 122 degrees, our bodies can no longer dissipate heat and our core temperature rises. But another study cites a much lower limit of 89.6 degrees—the temperature at which humans start sweating.
Extreme heat literally dries us to death. In the age of global warming, what’s humanity’s limit?
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What temperature is fatal to the human body?

44 °C (111.2 °F) or more – Almost certainly death will occur; however, people have been known to survive up to 46.5 °C (115.7 °F). 43 °C (109.4 °F) – Normally death, or there may be serious brain damage, convulsions, and shock. Cardio-respiratory collapse will likely occur. 42 °C (107.6 °F) – Subject may turn red.

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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2024, 04:16:40 am »

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Re: Climate refugees
« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2026, 01:36:10 am »
What I have been saying (and which Western civilization alone is to blame for):



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once uh we reach 3° C above pre-industrial baseline half of the human population in the whole earth dies
8:068 minutes, 6 secondswhich right now is about 8.2 billion so about 4.1 billion people die. Um and and that is going to happen by
8:148 minutes, 14 secondsaround 2050 or so.

The only thing yet undecided is which 4.1 billion die, most importantly whether or not the 4.1 billion will include all "whites" (what we want), whether the 4.1 billion will be all "non-whites" (what our enemies want), or if something in between then how the distribution will work out.

In this regard, my prediction is not only that if rightists are in power all the dying will be "non-whites" (since they will not try to save "non-white" lives at all, and if anything may use the opportunity to kill even more "non-whites" than need to die), but also that if False Leftists are in power almost all the dying will still be "non-whites" (because False Leftists will indiscriminately try to save lives as efficiently as possible which means first saving those easiest to save who will disproportionately be "whites"). The only way we will get anything close to what we want is if True Leftists are in power who proactively discriminate against "whites".

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The only way you can maybe avoid it is to geoengineer the atmosphere to reflect
25:3125 minutes, 31 secondssunlight before it enters the atmosphere or the lower atmosphere and heats up the earth.
25:3825 minutes, 38 secondsUh but that I've talked about in some other videos is fraught with a lot of problems. Uh, I
25:4625 minutes, 46 secondsthink we would just screw things up even further um doing that. But you could you
25:5325 minutes, 53 secondscould put a tint essentially on the earth uh and uh cool it down some temporarily.
26:0226 minutes, 2 secondsBut as soon as you stop putting that tint on because the way that they've tried to figure out how to do this, the
26:1026 minutes, 10 secondstint essentially will last about 5 10 years or so. Once it wears off, the earth heats up again, but even farther because we'd still been burning fossil fuels, increasing the greenhouse gases.
26:2226 minutes, 22 secondsSo, I I I don't I just don't see I don't see that being a solution. And you need fossil fuels to keep putting the tint
26:3026 minutes, 30 secondson, but the fossil fuels are running lower and lower and lower. Uh, at some point it gets to the point where you
26:3826 minutes, 38 secondshave to choose between putting the continuing to put the darker and darker tint in the sky and having food.
26:4626 minutes, 46 secondsWell, people are going to choose food at that at that point.
26:5226 minutes, 52 secondsAnd then you can no longer tint the sky anymore and everything heats up in an inferno.

I agree.

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The fear of death is exactly why we got here in the first place. I've had this theory for over a decade now that thanatophobia, especially and specifically in the West, is the root cause of most of the ills of this world. The desire for eternal youth, for unrestricted growth (cancer) is a direct result of the paralyzing fear of death that is baked into our culture.

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Unfortunately those 4.1 billion will be all young populations in south america, south asia and africa these people will starve and die from heat while countries in the northern hemosphere will scramble to survive by genociding migrants from these areas.

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Or perhaps we're in the fourth turning and we need those with integrity to help exemplify what sovereignty in action looks like.

Sovereignty in action looks like "white" genocide.
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