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Aryanism vs Hyperboreanism
« on: March 10, 2023, 11:48:45 pm »
An extremely annoying misappropriation of  Aryanism is Hyperboreanism. Here is a Twitter user calling this out:
>RW Anglos/Scandis/Germanics tell you Northern Europe is the based Hyperborean Thulean Doggerlander Apollonian urheimat of the Aryan Solar Civilization >the sun comes out for 5 minut...
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>RW Anglos/Scandis/Germanics tell you Northern Europe is the based Hyperborean Thulean Doggerlander Apollonian urheimat of the Aryan Solar Civilization

>the sun comes out for 5 minutes/month

Nice try

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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2023, 05:57:11 pm »
Our old enemy Pierce on the topic:

https://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/Massive/books/William%20Luther%20Pierce%20Who%20We%20Are.pdf

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These Upper Paleolithic White men and women exhibited a large degree of sexual
dimorphism, or physical difference between the sexes. The average height of the women was
nearly seven inches less than that of the men, and their skulls were not only smaller but
showed other secondary sexual differences, resulting in a less "masculine" and more
"feminine" facial appearance. Whereas the men had distinctly craggy, faces, those of the
women had softer contours.

Racial Variation

Sexual dimorphism varies greatly among the present-day races. Mongoloids, for
example, have relatively slightly developed secondary sexual characteristics, while
Europeans, on the average, show much greater secondary differences between the sexes. And
among the subraces of the White race sexual dimorphism increases from south to north, with
Mediterraneans exhibiting the least dimorphism and Nordics the most.
In general, a large degree of sexual dimorphism in a race is an indication of
evolutionary adaptation to markedly different male and female social roles. When men and
women have similar lifestyles, there is relatively little need for them to differ physically
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except in their reproductive organs. But in the big-game hunting society of Upper Paleolithic
Europe, the men went out into the forests or the tundra to do the hunting and killing, and the
women stayed at home to bear and raise the children -- for a thousand generations.

I agree, which is why it is no coincidence that Western civilization is more patriarchist than non-Western civilizations:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-and-sexism/

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Upper Paleolithic Whites had broad, rugged faces with large, wide jaws, prominent
chins, and -- judging from the nasal openings in their skulls -- prominent noses of narrow-to-
medium width.

I know.

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There can be little doubt, however, that the Neolithic revolution began in the Middle
East. At the time when the first cereal grains were being cultivated in the Middle East more
than 10,000 years ago, the climate in Europe was wholly unsuitable for farming.

I know.
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Re: Aryanism vs Hyperboreanism
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2023, 06:01:28 pm »
"I agree, which is why Western civilization is not coincidentally more patriarchist than non-Western civilizations:"
This is in addition to the Turanian blood!

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Re: Turanian diffusion
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2024, 09:19:28 pm »
Turanist, the Defender of Western Civilization, got spotted




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Re: Aryanism vs Hyperboreanism
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2024, 09:31:51 pm »
You should tell him who the real Aryans are.

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Re: Aryanism vs Hyperboreanism
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2024, 10:03:33 pm »

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Re: Blood memory
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2024, 02:31:53 am »
Conflicting racial views between Hitler and Himmler

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And the general idea was that the Aryans had come from Germany, or the Nordic region of northern Europe, and had moved east to India, with some believing that an Aryan society still existed in the Himalayas, which is why Himmler sent Ernst Schäfer on an expedition to Tibet. I will point out, though, that Hitler didn't believe in everything I've mentioned so far. He didn't actually believe that there were Aryans in Tibet, like Himmler did. And I can't see evidence of him agreeing with the theories of Hyperboreans or some of the more outlandish stuff like that. Although he may have believed in reincarnation just like the Hindus do.

It was from the Race Pope that Hitler got the idea that Aryan blood is what builds nations, and when Aryan blood is mixed with lesser blood civilization collapses. So Hans Günter was highly influential on Hitler and Himmler, and many other National Socialist as well. But it was all garbage. There's no evidence for any of what Günther or any of these other guys believed. It's all just superstitious nonsense.

Source :

The INSANE world of National Socialism’s Aryan Religion

https://youtu.be/fGUq3V8kl30?si=MaikSxOVScAaiQyo

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Re: Aryanism vs Hyperboreanism
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2024, 03:32:12 am »
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the general idea was that the Aryans had come from Germany, or the Nordic region of northern Europe

Hitler never said this. On the contrary, recall the following former blog post which showed Hitler's opposite tendency of belief in southern superiority:

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Among the different varieties of nationalism that have emerged in the world, since the French Revolution, most are very largely gynecocratic: an eminent example is the nationalism of 1789, which abolished rank inequalities (in favor of a motherly and egalitarian conception of the nation), but also Hitlerian nationalism or Soviet nationalism. This led Julius Evola to point out that, “The modern world shows a return of the themes that were proper to the ancient Southern gynecocratic civilizations;” and that, “Socialism and communism” ultimately prove “materialized and technological revivals of the ancient telluric, Southern principle of equality and promiscuity of all beings in Mother Earth.”

Obviously I disagree with their choice of intentional perjoratives to describe Hitlerism, such as “egalitarian” or “gynecocratic”(????), but the main point is that they are finally being forced to admit that Hitlerism is nothing like what they as recently as a decade ago used to presume it was (ie. neo-Nazism), but rather what we have been adamantly and ceaselessly saying – from the very beginning of our activism – it actually was (ie. authentic National Socialism). Not “egalitarian” (in the sense of ignoring quality), of course, but simply anti-racist. Nor “gynecocratic”, but simply anti-sexist.

I do broadly agree with two of Evola’s adjectives “telluric” and “Southern” to describe authentic National Socialism, though of course Evola had little in-depth grasp of the characteristics of what he has accurately labelled. Here are some quotes reflecting Hitler’s essentially Mediterranean blood memory (consistent with the location of Asgard in our Aryan Diffusion theory):

“The southern peoples are not acquainted either with a meat diet or with cooking. I lived marvellously in Italy. I don’t know any country that enlivens one more.” – Adolf Hitler

“Once when I was travelling to Florence, I thought, as I passed through it, what a paradise this land of southern France is ! But when I reached Italy—then I realised what a paradise on earth can really be!” – Adolf Hitler

We know to-day why our ancestors were not attracted to the East, but rather to the South. Because all the regions lying east of the Elbe were like what Russia is for us to-day. The Romans detested crossing the Alps. The Germanic peoples, on the other hand, were very fond of crossing them—but in the opposite direction. … For any Roman, the fact of being sent to Germania was regarded as a punishment—rather like what it used to mean to us to be sent to Posen. You can imagine those rainy, grey regions, transformed into quagmires as far as eye could see. The megalithic monuments were certainly not places of worship, but rather places of refuge for people fleeing from the advance of the mud. The countryside was cold, damp, dreary.” – Adolf Hitler

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(It was Himmler who was the Nordicist, and this is what Hitler once said to him:

“You’ll understand, Himmler, that if I want to establish a genuine civilisation to the North and East, I’ll have to make use of men from the South. If I were to take official architects of the Prussian Government to beautify Berlin, for example, I’d do better to abandon the project!” – Adolf Hitler)

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He didn't actually believe that there were Aryans in Tibet, like Himmler did.

It is unknown whether or not Hitler believed this, but even if he did, he would not have imagined that they arrived at Tibet from the north as Himmler would have imagined. This is the important point. We also have the explicit Hitler quote:

“I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own.” – Adolf Hitler

so to the extent that, according to your quote:

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Hitler got the idea that Aryan blood is what builds nations, and when Aryan blood is mixed with lesser blood civilization collapses.

by implication Hitler would estimate China and Japan to have contained a higher fraction of Aryan blood than Germany. Thus if Hitler believed that Aryan blood exists in Tibet, it would have been easier for him than for Himmler to postulate where it came from.

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And I can't see evidence of him agreeing with the theories of Hyperboreans or some of the more outlandish stuff like that.

He could have agreed that Hyperboreans existed, but disagreed they were Aryans. We also have this quote:

"In the Nordic legend we read of a struggle between giants and gods." - Adolf Hitler

The burden is on Himmler who has to account for who the gods are if he believes Aryans = Hyperboreans (= giants):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/aryanism-vs-hyperboreanism/msg18365/#msg18365
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Most ancient Europeans had dark skin, eyes and hair up until 3,000 years ago, new research finds
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Most prehistoric Europeans had dark skin, hair and eyes well into the Iron Age, about 3,000 years ago, new research finds.

Scientists found that the genes that cause lighter skin, hair and eyes emerged among early Europeans only about 14,000 years ago, during the late stages of the Paleolithic period — also known as the "Old Stone Age." But these light features were only sporadic until relatively recently, said study senior author Silvia Ghirotto, a geneticist at the University of Ferrara in Italy.

Lighter skin may have carried an evolutionary advantage for Europeans because it enabled people to synthesize more vitamin D — needed for healthy bones, teeth and muscles — in Europe's weaker sunlight. But lighter eye color — blue or green, for example — does not seem to have had major evolutionary advantages, and so its emergence may have been driven by chance or sexual selection, Ghirotto told Live Science in an email.
Entire article:
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Most ancient Europeans had dark skin, eyes and hair up until 3,000 years ago, new research finds
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Most prehistoric Europeans had dark skin, hair and eyes well into the Iron Age, about 3,000 years ago, new research finds.

Scientists found that the genes that cause lighter skin, hair and eyes emerged among early Europeans only about 14,000 years ago, during the late stages of the Paleolithic period — also known as the "Old Stone Age." But these light features were only sporadic until relatively recently, said study senior author Silvia Ghirotto, a geneticist at the University of Ferrara in Italy.

Lighter skin may have carried an evolutionary advantage for Europeans because it enabled people to synthesize more vitamin D — needed for healthy bones, teeth and muscles — in Europe's weaker sunlight. But lighter eye color — blue or green, for example — does not seem to have had major evolutionary advantages, and so its emergence may have been driven by chance or sexual selection, Ghirotto told Live Science in an email.
Entire article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/most-ancient-europeans-had-dark-skin-eyes-and-hair-up-until-3-000-years-ago-new-research-finds/ar-AA1AN5EZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=670257622da94c94ad25fbc00ad0e3c8&ei=29

Ah, now I see why you moved this post here? Turns out Max Muller was right, and Bryant has in fact been proven wrong?:

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Muller may have well felt the need to stress that "an ethnologist who speaks of an Aryan race, Aryan eyes and hair, and Aryan blood is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolicocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar"; after all, it was he who had been a principal cause in such misconceptions through his earlier remarks on the common blood that the "English soldier" shared with the "dark Bengali".
(Muller 1854a, 29-30; ) quoted from Bryant, E. F. (2001). The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture : the Indo-Aryan migration debate. Oxford University Press. chapter 1.

Surprise, surprise! Even back in Muller's time, the Aryanist was actually the anti-racist, while the westerner remains the true racist...

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Re: Aryanism vs Hyperboreanism
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2025, 07:49:01 pm »
Ah, now I see why you moved this post here? Turns out Max Muller was right, and Bryant has in fact been proven wrong?:

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Muller may have well felt the need to stress that "an ethnologist who speaks of an Aryan race, Aryan eyes and hair, and Aryan blood is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolicocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar"; after all, it was he who had been a principal cause in such misconceptions through his earlier remarks on the common blood that the "English soldier" shared with the "dark Bengali".
(Muller 1854a, 29-30; ) quoted from Bryant, E. F. (2001). The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture : the Indo-Aryan migration debate. Oxford University Press. chapter 1.

Surprise, surprise! Even back in Muller's time, the Aryanist was actually the anti-racist, while the westerner remains the true racist...