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Re: Why You All Suck
« Reply #210 on: May 11, 2023, 03:44:40 pm »
I love how the more I debate 90sRF, the more he has to resort to obvious idiocy. Its all the same to me if its mental acrobatics, or argumentative fallacies. Enjoy.

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Re: Why You All Suck
« Reply #211 on: May 11, 2023, 03:57:03 pm »
Get this idiot out of here.

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Re: Why You All Suck
« Reply #212 on: May 11, 2023, 04:07:20 pm »
Is my voice really that loud in your head?

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« Reply #213 on: May 11, 2023, 04:30:42 pm »
You:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19415/#msg19415

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And while I'm at it, I want to make my perspective clear to you all: I am no longer bothering to debate with 90sRF

You (a day later):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19455/#msg19455

"Its about letting noble genetics win over ignoble genetics, regardless of which broad group(s) either come from..."

Exactly. So if I first eliminate all bloodlines traced to 10th century "Europe", and then let noble genetics win over ignoble genetics among the remaining bloodlines only, I have completed the Aryanist mission, since I have been regardless of where the noble genetics came from (ie. it was of no concern to me that none of the noble genetics came from 10th century "Europe").

In contrast, if I insist that noble genetics from all parts of the world be included in the final victory over ignoble genetics, I would be operating according to an ethnic/geographic quota, which would be the opposite of being regardless of where the noble genetics came from (because a rule is in force that there must be representation from all parts of the world where noble genetics can be found).

The burden is on you to become literate enough to figure this out.
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« Reply #214 on: May 11, 2023, 04:53:50 pm »
>So if I first eliminate all bloodlines traced to 10th century "Europe",

Everyone in 10th century Europe was ignoble? Shocking.

>if I insist that noble genetics from all parts of the world be included in the final victory over ignoble genetics, I would be operating according to an ethnic/geographic quota, which would be the opposite of being regardless of where the noble genetics came from (because a rule is in force that there must be representation from all parts of the world where noble genetics can be found).

Yet another desperate strawman. The priority here is the survival of noble genetics regardless of where they come from, not a supposed ethnic quota. You are already operating on an ethnic quota, by saying anyone you decide to call "white" should go extinct. You are projecting.

>You (a day later):

I knew you'd try to take it an as opportunity to say even more indefensible nonsense, and clearly the investment paid off. I love how the more I debate you, the more you have to resort to obvious idiocy. Its all the same to me if its mental acrobatics, or argumentative fallacies. Enjoy (your time in the cringe compilation).

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« Reply #215 on: May 11, 2023, 06:32:02 pm »
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Everyone in 10th century Europe was ignoble? Shocking.

Whites are ignoble from the classical era, they produce the greatest evil that is a democracy, Judaism, scientific racism, and scientific empiricism, which no other group of people from any ethnic did that thing. Therefore no use in noticing "whites" case by case

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The priority here is the survival of noble genetics

If survival of noble genetics required to delete genetics of "whites" then we happily to do that

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by saying anyone you decide to call "white" should go extinct. You are projecting.

In the past "whites" always projected "colored people" as inferior for the sake of justifying their oppression of them, if we talk negatively about "whites" that's today retaliation until "whites" are afraid to call themselves "white"

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>Aryanist position (unchanged since the beginning): it does not matter ethnicitywise which bloodlines we use to breed the Aryan population we want. Direct logical implication (used today): it does not matter if our eventual Aryan population includes zero bloodlines currently classified as "white".

And? The same applies to "blacks", Arabs, Asians, Latinos, Et cetera.

Fortunately, the reality of nature shows that "blacks", "Arabs", and "Latinos" still contain agrarian Aryan blood which is less contaminated with "white" blood, so there are some of the people from that ethnicity who produce the leftist way of life which from it that ethnic groups will spare from annihilation. "white" blood dominantly embedded on Indo-Europeans which resulting continuous inferior western way of life which produced from them. Therefore it's possible to make "whites" got annihilated. On "Asians", still got our suspicion because they always try to imitate "whites" in their way of life, they produce western industrial living and capitalism which almost matches with  criteria provided by "whites". Your argument about the possibility of "zero Aryan genes" from "blacks", "Arabs", "Asians", and "Latino" just speculation now...

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Yet another desperate strawman. The priority here is the survival of noble genetics regardless of where they come from, not a supposed ethnic quota. You are already operating on an ethnic quota, by saying anyone you decide to call "white" should go extinct. You are projecting.

Because you cannot accept the reality that "whites" produce the most evil thing in this world which make them get judged with the most negative notions. Recall










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« Reply #216 on: May 11, 2023, 07:36:56 pm »
"Everyone in 10th century Europe was ignoble?"

No, but I am not obliged to worry about preserving every noble bloodline. Again:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19436/#msg19436

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The mission of Aryanism is to end up with a purely Aryan population. Nowhere do the mission parameters specify that this purely Aryan population must include descendants of every Aryan bloodline currently around.

"The priority here is the survival of noble genetics regardless of where they come from, not a supposed ethnic quota."

Yes, so stop complaining about me doing "white" genocide prior to starting Aryanization. Because after "white" genocide I will still have more than enough noble genetics to comfortably do Aryanization with. Every time you complain about this, you confirm that your priority is not noble genetics regardless of where they come from, but noble genetics which MUST include a "white" quota.)

"You are already operating on an ethnic quota, by saying anyone you decide to call "white" should go extinct."

Zero is not a quota. It is absence of a quota.

You are the one insisting on a non-zero "white" contribution to the eventual Aryan population, so you are the one operating on an ethnic quota.
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« Reply #217 on: May 11, 2023, 08:49:12 pm »
"Ascesis" is living proof those with much "white" blood will never fully understand true left idealism of beliefs.

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« Reply #218 on: May 11, 2023, 08:52:46 pm »
“The Mongols were quite numerous, though”
“Doesn't this also happen(ed) quite a bit in the Middle East, where people largely live off of livestock to survive?”

These two groups are pastoralists, not hunter-hatherers. Aryanism.net distinguished between farmers, hunters, and herders, and I suppose it is sensible to make this distinction, although I have concentrated on the differences between farmers and (some but not all groups of?) hunter-gatherers in this thread, and not talked about herders.

“But in that case, can we also agree that we don't have to worry as much about a expansionist agrarian civilization overturning self-restricting agrarian civilizations, as people did in ancient times?”

Yes. I’m not saying that it would be bad to move towards a low impact agrarian civilization in the present day. I’m only saying that the original transition from hunting to settled civilization caused a mental degradation of humanity. I'm just trying to explain what domesticated behaviour and thinking consists of and how domestication caused people to behave and think like that.

“We can say the same thing about agrarian society, that the people in charge will only be supported as long as they're respected.”

No. The thing that gives rulers in large, highly organised societies power is that everyone might have no respect for the leader, but each person can’t be sure what other people think. So in theory someone could kill the tyrant and everyone could just agree that it was good and the tyrants guards could just not arrest the assassin, but in practise the assassin will not kill the tyrant because he will think “The guards might decide to side with me but what if they don’t and they arrest me”. And if he does kill the tyrant, one of the (let’s say) two guards might think “I agree with him killing the tyrant but I can’t side with him because then the other guard might kill me” and the other guard might be thinking exactly the same thing as well. Now imagine that there are 100 guards thinking “I agree with the assassin but how likely is it that the other guards won’t arrest me if I take his side?”

“Unless you're in England”

You got it in one. Proud citizen of Bongistan.

“Is it a bad thing that civilization conflicts with undomesticated thinking?”

Yes, if you agree that the domesticated thinking include the traits I listed before and that those traits are negative, and hence that undomesticated thinking is positive.

“Personally, I think the modern disconnection from Sun, Earth, wind, water, and stars has caused enormous physical, psychological, and spiritual damage.”

Well yes, none of us want to look up at the night sky and see one of Musk-san’s space billboards advertising Coca-Cola.


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Re: Why You All Suck
« Reply #219 on: May 11, 2023, 09:01:59 pm »
>No, but I am not obliged to worry about preserving every noble bloodline.

So far, you have acknowledged that your politics will increase tribalism, now you openly state that noble people of a certain broad ethnic group should go extinct, while giving ignoble people of different broad ethnic groups a pass. Keep talking.

>but noble genetics which MUST include a "white" quota.

Nope, just that noble genetics should survive, regardless of where they come from. This is the second time you've tried this strawman. Keep talking.

>Zero is not a quota. It is absence of a quota.


Quota or otherwise, you are advocating for ethnic discrimination. Or dare I say, racism.

>You are the one insisting on a non-zero "white" contribution to the eventual Aryan population,

Nope, just that noble genetics should survive, regardless of where they come from. This is the third time you've tried this strawman. Keep talking.

>you are the one operating on an ethnic


I'm not operating on an ethnic anything, you are the one who wants to cause counterproductive and unnecessary division so you can reinforce colonial identitarianism.

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Re: Why You All Suck
« Reply #220 on: May 11, 2023, 09:02:32 pm »
>"Ascesis" is living proof those with much "white" blood will never fully understand true left idealism of beliefs.

I'm "white"?

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« Reply #221 on: May 11, 2023, 09:13:30 pm »
>These two groups are pastoralists, not hunter-hatherers. Aryanism.net distinguished between farmers, hunters, and herders, and I suppose it is sensible to make this distinction, although I have concentrated on the differences between farmers and (some but not all groups of?) hunter-gatherers in this thread, and not talked about herders.

True, but both pastoralists and hunters are undeniably linked. Especially with the Mongols

>Yes. I’m not saying that it would be bad to move towards a low impact agrarian civilization in the present day. I’m only saying that the original transition from hunting to settled civilization caused a mental degradation of humanity. I'm just trying to explain what domesticated behaviour and thinking consists of and how domestication caused people to behave and think like that.

Okay I gotchu, fair is fair. My takeaway is that we should breed Humanity to learn how to properly handle technology, both socially and genetically (if possible). I swear, most of our issues stem from that. In the meantime I'm gonna try to do a deep dive on Human domestication when I get the chance

>No. The thing that gives rulers in large, highly organised societies power is that everyone might have no respect for the leader, but each person can’t be sure what other people think. So in theory someone could kill the tyrant and everyone could just agree that it was good and the tyrants guards could just not arrest the assassin, but in practise the assassin will not kill the tyrant because he will think “The guards might decide to side with me but what if they don’t and they arrest me”. And if he does kill the tyrant, one of the (let’s say) two guards might think “I agree with him killing the tyrant but I can’t side with him because then the other guard might kill me” and the other guard might be thinking exactly the same thing as well. Now imagine that there are 100 guards thinking “I agree with the assassin but how likely is it that the other guards won’t arrest me if I take his side?”


This is true, and honestly says a lot about the auto-helplessness that paralyzes people from action. But my point remains that you can still have tyrants in a primitive tribe, even from a strictly Human perspective. It doesn't take much for brutish personalities to start hogging the spot light

>You got it in one. Proud citizen of Bongistan.

Lord help you lol. You should move to the Canadian Shield, plenty of homesteading opportunities there. I'm sure they need workers too, super Northern climates seem to always have a labor shortage

>Yes, if you agree that the domesticated thinking include the traits I listed before and that those traits are negative, and hence that undomesticated thinking is positive.

Which traits, the ones talked about in those links?

>Well yes, none of us want to look up at the night sky and see one of Musk-san’s space billboards advertising Coca-Cola.

Umm ackshutally sweaty according to 90sRF anything consensual is okay, including pedophilia and space billboards you illiterate cracker

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« Reply #222 on: May 11, 2023, 09:18:11 pm »
>"Ascesis" is living proof those with much "white" blood will never fully understand true left idealism of beliefs.

I'm "white"?

If you aren't then why have you spent days on here defending "whites" despite supposedly not identifying as such. You refuse to accept the truth set in front of you. So its safe to assume you come from at least some "white" (or eurocentrist "non-white"?) blood and are struggling to fully let go. * I'm not pretending I don't have some "white" blood also, but I've completely rejected "whiteness" because it's the inverse of everything good *
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« Reply #223 on: May 11, 2023, 10:14:54 pm »
>If you aren't then why have you spent days on here defending "whites" despite supposedly not identifying as such.

People can't defend those outside their group? Ok. Like what's your point? "A-HA! YOU HAVE BEIGE SKIN (but so do I)". What's the argument there? Is that all I get?

>You refuse to accept the truth set in front of you. So its safe to assume you come from at least some "white" (or eurocentrist "non-white"?) blood and are struggling to fully let go. *

I'm some kind of "white" because I disagree? Because I don't think argumentative fallacies should be considered valid arguments? Listen I happen to think you're a well-meaning guy but I don't think you even believe in this yourself. If you did, I don't think you would have been making such flimsy and timid arguments this entire time

>I'm not pretending I don't have some "white" blood also, but I've completely rejected "whiteness" because it's the inverse of everything good

Rejecting "whiteness" is good but pretending that everything opposite of "white" is good, by default, is the same shallow reactionary mentality that makes Liberalism a mutually complementary force to Wignattery

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« Reply #224 on: May 11, 2023, 10:24:03 pm »
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but pretending that everything opposite of "white" is good, by default, is the same shallow reactionary mentality

What's good about "whites?"

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Jews will also say the same thing as "whites" had I questioned them. Like this :

Rejecting "whiteness" Jewishness is good but pretending that everything opposite of "white" Jews is good, by default, is the same shallow reactionary mentality that makes Liberalism a mutually complementary force to Wignattery
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