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Childcare Issues
« on: July 09, 2020, 07:28:16 pm »
16 signs of bad parenting
https://www.momjunction.com/articles/everything-need-know-bad-parenting_00256/
The first **** one on the list:

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1. The child is reprimanded even if he spoke the truth:

The child did something wrong and acknowledged it, nevertheless, you scold him for committing a mistake. And you have forgotten that he was courageous enough to be truthful.

It is no surprise that such paternalistic attitudes are replicated in the False Left, who castigate anyone that dares speak the truth about taboo subjects.

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Re: Childcare Issues
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2020, 11:56:54 pm »
To clarify, the linked article itself does not necessarily promote childcare attitudes that we endorse. To use your excerpt as an example:

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The child did something wrong and acknowledged it, nevertheless, you scold him for committing a mistake. And you have forgotten that he was courageous enough to be truthful.

"Wrong"/"mistake" according to whom? The wording appears to suggest that the child is using the parent's definition of "wrong". This is the real problem.

Most importantly, the article claims towards the end that cruel parenting causes children to become socially unsuccessful adults. This itself is a False Left position. The True Left position (in academic agreement with our enemies the traditionalists) is that cruel parenting (by thoroughly killing Original Nobility) causes children to become (morally desensitized and hence) socially successful adults. Our disagreement with traditionalists is that we argue that social success is no justification for moral desensitization, and more generally that no amount of future benefits for the adult that the child will become can justify present cruelty to the child as a child.
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Re: Childcare Issues
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2020, 06:16:22 pm »
BTW, what do you make of False Leftists who use the term "childish" with a negative connotation, but nevertheless reproduce? Aren't they essentially disparaging their own offspring? How can we expect them to raise their child with love when they hold contempt for its very existence? This type of attitude, coupled with the fact that they identify as "white" who obviously carry tribalist ancestry, makes my blood boil, and under a National Socialist state, I would sentence them to maximum punishment. For this alone I will fight to my death for National Socialism.

Fortunately, as many "blacks" are moving to the True Left, they are recognizing the true nature of these "Karen" parents, who, far from being "loving mothers", exhibit the same attitude to their children as they do to "non-whites" when they are ethnically profiling them.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2020, 09:02:12 pm »
BTW, what do you make of False Leftists who use the term "childish" with a negative connotation, but nevertheless reproduce? Aren't they essentially disparaging their own offspring? How can we expect them to raise their child with love when they hold contempt for its very existence? This type of attitude, coupled with the fact that they identify as "white" who obviously carry tribalist ancestry, makes my blood boil, and under a National Socialist state, I would sentence them to maximum punishment. For this alone I will fight to my death for National Socialism.

Fortunately, as many "blacks" are moving to the True Left, they are recognizing the true nature of these "Karen" parents, who, far from being "loving mothers", exhibit the same attitude to their children as they do to "non-whites" when they are ethnically profiling them.

I for one can honestly state I've never used the word "childish" to insult an adult or anyone for that matter, so I had actually never given the use of the word that much thought and analysis until I met 90RF. Once I actually thought it through and became aware of how the word was being used it started to make my blood boil also. Now-a-days as soon as I hear an adult use the word "childish" to put down another adult I instantly lose all respect for that adult. After witnessing how western adults use that word to attempt to insult Trump over the last four plus years, as if they are so superior to him for no other reason than the fact that they too are just as adulterated as Trump himself is, I wouldn't even bat an eyelid if I saw you rounding them up and loading them onto a freight car in your National Socialist state. Just imagining how psychologically damaging that is to children is enough to make me want to choke one of these western adults to death....

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Re: Childcare Issues
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2020, 01:09:19 am »
@rp

"what do you make of False Leftists who use the term "childish" with a negative connotation, but nevertheless reproduce? Aren't they essentially disparaging their own offspring?"

Many False Leftists that I have encountered are obsessed with the action of experiencing. They consider reproduction, as well as raising children, to be particular experiences that they want to try out as a way to enrich their own lives, without concern for the initiated violence against the children involved. To the extent that they attempt to justify their decision, they claim they are giving their offspring a chance to experience stuff in turn. Of course they would not apply such despicable reasoning to initiating violence against people who already exist (e.g. "I'm going to punch you in the face to give you a chance to experience being punched in the face! It doesn't matter that you never asked for it! You should thank me anyway! (And maybe later you can have your turn to punch someone else in the face!)").

The negative connotation they attach to "childishness" goes back to the same attitude: experiencing lots of stuff is good, so children are inferior because they have experienced less stuff, and the way to improve them is by increasing the variety of their experiences (again, whether the children themselves want it or not). Don't get me started on all the classes/camps/etc. that False Leftist parents often sign up their offspring for!

"How can we expect them to raise their child with love when they hold contempt for its very existence?"

I do not expect them to do so. As soon as we have eliminated rightist bloodlines, they will be next.

@NS

"After witnessing how western adults use that word to attempt to insult Trump over the last four plus years"

You know what I'm fearing will happen post-Trump? If Trump goes down in history as a villain (which of course he should), I'm then worried that when future children express their Original Nobility, these same adults who today (inaccurately) call Trump "childish" will then (just as inaccurately) say to children: "Stop being so Trumpish!" We have so much work to do.....
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2020, 01:44:50 am »
“Don't get me started on all the classes/camps/etc. that False Leftist parents often sign up their offspring for!”

Thankfully, my (non-Western) parents were critical of these attitudes among other parents. It may have something to do with them being “r type” selection parents.

“They consider reproduction, as well as raising children, to be particular experiences that they want to try out as a way to enrich their own lives, without concern for the initiated violence against the children involved.”

Well guess what, other living beings aren’t yours to “experiment” with for your pleasure. But when presented with this they will accuse you of being a “totalitarian” who wants to restrict their “freedom” of having a child... Then again, what can you expect from those who belong to a civilization that has literally experimented with non-human animals for several millennia.

“ I do not expect them to do so. As soon as we have eliminated rightist bloodlines, they will be next.”

Contrast this to True Leftists, who (either consciously or subconsciously) recognize they possess tribalist ancestry and thus choose to raise step/adopted children, whom they raise with infinitely more love and care, possibly even more than “r-type” selection parents (including mine).

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2020, 04:36:31 am »
"True Leftists, who (either consciously or subconsciously) recognize they possess tribalist ancestry and thus choose to raise step/adopted children"

It's not even about fear of one's own ancestry, but just simple awareness that orphans (who are also likely to possess tribalist ancestry) presently exist who need care. It's the same logic as adopting existing homeless dogs etc. rather than having new ones bred specifically for you.

"whom they raise with infinitely more love and care, possibly even more than “r-type” selection parents"

I'm not sure why you say "even". r-strategists are far from good parents in an absolute sense. They are only better than K-strategists under the (highly realistic) assumption that both types tend to prioritize the adults that the children will become over the children themselves, whereupon the r-strategists (who characteristically invest less effort into each offspring due to the greater total number of offspring) will be expected to initiate less violence on each child (though not necessarily less violence in total) compared to K-strategists.

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2020, 09:29:32 am »
"It's not even about fear of one's own ancestry,"
What about those that choose to become step-parents though?

"I'm not sure why you say "even"."
Well there are some non-Aryan "foster" parents, which is what I was getting at, but in the context of True Leftist parents, you are correct.

"They are only better than K-strategists under the (highly realistic) assumption that both types tend to prioritize the adults that the children will become over the children themselves, whereupon the r-strategists (who characteristically invest less effort into each offspring due to the greater total number of offspring) will be expected to initiate less violence on each child (though not necessarily less violence in total) compared to K-strategists."

Ok. I was merely trying to make a distinction between Western and non-Western parents using r/k selection theory, and I assumed that non-Western and Western parents are r and k strategists respectively, but this is not necessarily always true though, is it? But in any case, would you agree that non-Western parents are at least somewhat better than Western parents?
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2020, 04:19:21 pm »
"What about those that choose to become step-parents though?"

They often believe in the superiority of a two-parent family, a traditionalist position. To be fair, they are not genetically selfish, but when the children themselves never asked for a step-parent (but often have no choice but to accept the step-parent becoming part of their lives as a result of the decision made unilaterally by the biological parent), their intrusion is additional initiated violence. (At least orphans have an option to refuse adoption.)

"I assumed that non-Western and Western parents are r and k strategists respectively, but this is not necessarily always true though, is it?:

This is highly untrue. Colonialism enabled the colonial powers to combine high offspring number with high investment into each offspring, thus gaining the advantages of both r and K simultaneously. Western boarding schools are one of the most cruel examples of this phenomenon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boarding_school

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The classic British boarding school became highly popular during the colonial expansion of the British Empire. British colonial administrators abroad could ensure that their children were brought up in British culture at public schools at home in the UK, and local rulers were offered the same education for their sons. More junior expatriates would send their children to local British-run schools, which would also admit selected local children who might travel from considerable distances. The boarding schools, which inculcated their own values, became an effective way to encourage local people to share British ideals, and so help the British achieve their imperial goals.

One of the reasons sometimes stated for sending children to boarding schools is to develop wider horizons than their family can provide. A boarding school a family has attended for generations may define the culture parents aspire to for their children. Equally, by choosing a fashionable boarding school, parents may aspire to better their children by enabling them to mix on equal terms with children of the upper classes.

"would you agree that non-Western parents are at least somewhat better than Western parents?"

I warn against generalization. I agree that the spread of Western civilization increased by orders of magnitude the institutionally initiated violence that children were subjected to (e.g. compulsory schooling, a uniquely Western institution). But whether or not individual parents' attitudes towards children would have been better had they never been exposed to Western civilization is much harder to say, and would have to be judged case by case anyway. I believe it is more likely that parents of any civilization will persistently tend to act in the interests of the adults that they intend the children to become (as opposed to the interests of the children themselves), and therefore that the difference between Western and non-Western in the context of parenting is merely a difference between what they estimate will give the future adults the biggest advantages, which in turn is based on what options are available in reality.
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2020, 04:59:05 pm »
"is merely a difference between what they estimate will give the future adults the biggest advantages,"
Ok. So its just that the Western estimate happens to involve much more violence. Hence why Jewish and Gentile (i.e. "White") parents are the primary targets of our criticism, and who are also deserving of state punishment.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2020, 12:06:10 am »
"Jewish and Gentile (i.e. "White") parents are the primary targets of our criticism"

I don't think most violent parenting is a product of prehistoric heritable traits, since mostly similar heritable traits for violent parenting continued to be selected for after complex economic society began.

I have a suspicion that parents with higher sexual dimorphism will tend to be worse, regardless of ethnicity.

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2020, 11:51:03 pm »
"the Western estimate happens to involve much more violence."

Having given this issue further thought over the last few days, I would like to add that, while both Western and non-Western parents are obliviously violent towards children, I get an anecdotal impression (notwithstanding many individual exceptions which I am sure exist) that non-Western parents' violence mostly occurs in serious contexts, whereas a significant fraction of Western parents' violence seems to be done in a joking manner. To the extent that the latter seems likely to cause more confusion in the victim than the former, it could be considered worse.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2020, 08:09:35 am »
I think the main problem is teaching that having and raising biological children is good thing or even the best thing in someone's life, which can be found in every country. You can use Google or any search engine to see natalist pictures.

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=natalism&client=ms-opera-mobile&channel=new&espv=1&prmd=inv&sxsrf=ALeKk020OQ-k97i5fye5rg70az_GaukBgQ:1596632716912&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifk7avkITrAhWk4XMBHWH1B0sQ_AUoAXoECBIQAQ&biw=393&bih=671

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2020, 07:08:03 pm »
Speak of the devil:

Trump SNEERS at Green New Deal: "It's childish -- it's for children"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYT-BvfhsTo

I agree with Timster and Snordster, "A child can see how to fix the inequities of this planet!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFFCaKtDzuA&list=PLYCsVFc4Sn5zRcgNLea5KhoAB6jV0eBMV


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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2020, 11:37:24 pm »
""A child can see how to fix the inequities of this planet!""

When as a child I was first taught about "non-whites" eventually getting to vote, supposedly for the sake of "equality", I immediately asked: if equality were indeed the goal, why "whites" did not have their franchise suspended for the same number of elections as "non-whites" had previously had their franchise denied? The idiot teacher said: "Two wrongs don't make a right." I argued that if A and B were running a marathon but A got accomplices to stop B from running for the first hour, the correct remedy was to stop A for an hour while letting B run, not to just let the marathon continue with B allowed to run but A allowed to keep the head start.

But I digress.....
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