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Re: War
« Reply #120 on: September 09, 2024, 07:53:50 pm »


This video is how I am afraid the CCP (even post-Xi) will think and thus choose negotiation over invasion. But the great opportunity now is not merely to take back Russian-occupied territory that belongs to China, but to maximize Russian deaths (in particular young Russian deaths, thereby reducing reproductive potential) to the point where Russia cannot recover. Sure, China may lose people too, but China is currently far more able to take the loss than Russia is due to the initial population difference. This is why wars, despite being expensive (as the video accurately points out), made so much sense in ancient times. It is a chance to damage enemies demographically to a greater extent than is generally possible via negotiation.

To illustrate this, let's use an extreme example. Russia's total population is ~150 million. If in theory we could eliminate all 150 million Russians at the cost of also eliminating 150 million Chinese (ie. 1 to 1 trade), this would be a spectacular demographic victory because Russia would end up at 0 population whereas China (with its current population of ~1.4 billion) would still have 1.25 billion* remaining.

(* If China plays its cards well, it could even improve its gene pool qualitatively via this event!)

The problem begins when you look only at your own losses instead of comparing your losses to the enemy's losses. Then you (as the video recommends) tend to try to minimize your own losses and end up letting the enemy survive.

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Re: War
« Reply #121 on: October 25, 2024, 12:28:39 am »
I fear that the end is near. Israel/US could easily strike Iran's nuclear sites using "bunker busters", which can be delivered using B2 spirit bombers without being detected by radar. Then, Israel can conduct airstrikes on the missile defense batteries and achieve air superiority due to having 5th gen stealth fighters (F35) in contrast to Iran's older air force. Then, all it would take is some more airstrikes on airfields to achieve full air supremacy.
However, there is a caveat in all this: to get to Iran, Israeli jets must first fly over Iraq. The U.S must resolutely tell Israel that it will shoot down any aircraft that enters Iraqi airspace.

Not as good as declaring war on Israel, but it is a start toward left hawk foreign policy. Indeed, this is what noted anti Duginist hawk and Cold Warrior Brzezinski (who was behind the left hawk policy of arming Mujahideen against the Soviets) suggested as well:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/if-israel-attacks-iran
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U.S. Should Shoot Down Israeli Planes
If Israel tries to attack Iran, Brzezinski says
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Michael Weiss
September 21, 2009

Does Zbigniew Brzezinski, who served as Jimmy Carter’s former national security adviser, want U.S. planes to shoot down Israeli planes if Israel attempts a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear weapons program? That seems to be what he’s asking for in a interview with Gerald Posner published on The Daily Beast.

When asked how aggressive the Obama administration should be in forestalling an Israeli attack, Brzezinski reminded Posner that the U.S. still controls Iraqi air space and added, just to be clear, “If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.” By “Liberty,” Brzezinski was referring to the incident in which Israeli jets and torpedo boats hit the USS Liberty in international waters during the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel said it was an accident, the result of friendly fire. Brzezinski, unless he chooses his analogies carelessly, seems to think otherwise.

Unfortunately, I think the U.S. has relinquished control of Iraqi airspace to the Iraqi government after the U.S. withdrew (another reason why we opposed the non interventionist policy of withdrawal).

The only hope is Iran's nuclear facilities being so deep underground that it renders bunker busters ineffective.


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Re: War
« Reply #122 on: October 25, 2024, 04:13:46 am »
If Turkey (NATO member) could get Israel (non-NATO) to attack it, then NATO could be made to go to war against Israel by treaty obligation. Can Turkey be the one to shoot down Israeli aircraft entering Iraqi airspace as per your plan? (Of course it could do better and attack Israel directly.)

At least Turkey is broadly thinking about this topic:


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Re: War
« Reply #123 on: October 25, 2024, 11:48:43 pm »
I see what you are saying, but I seriously doubt Turkey would do such a thing, as it being a Sunni state has no incentive to defend its rival Shia state Iran. A formal security agreement between the concerned parties must be reached first.

Turkey can of course anytime attack Israel (which it is more than capable of doing, having the strongest military in the region), but I doubt Erdogan is willing to do so:


Another small hope is that Iran has already developed and tested nuclear weapons, as there have been numerous occasions of unusual seismic activity being recorded (which Iran has passed off as earthquakes).

Anyway all this war talk is depressing. It is taking a toll on my mental health.

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Re: War
« Reply #124 on: November 10, 2024, 07:21:56 pm »
Not to underestimate our enemies, but it seems like post WW2 Atlantic Westerners don't have the stomach for war, due to domestication by the counterculture::
https://x.com/hindookissinger/status/1852432304779743634?t=RPCX6dwXbvaFFSerKxhRUg&s=19
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There's a huge difference in fighting when you've air superiority and your enemies are insurgents as opposed to fighting a nation state, and that too something like Russia that has tanks, artillery, missiles and planes in such numbers like a kid throwing candies on Halloween.
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There was this account of a UK soldier who had served many years in Iraq and Afg who volunteered for Ukraine he couldn't take it after a month and returned. Said didn't have PTSD after years, but got it after Ukraine being under constant artillery barrage.

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« Reply #125 on: November 10, 2024, 07:34:50 pm »
If so, this is even more reason to attack Russia now. The more fronts Russia has to fight simultaneously, the less dangerous it is for those attacking Russia on each front. If the Ukraine war is allowed to wrap up before another front of war is launched, how hard will it be to generate enthusiasm for war from scratch against Russia among those whom you describe?

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Re: War
« Reply #126 on: November 10, 2024, 07:53:16 pm »
Agree. And as rightism gains hold in the U.S., there is also the growing danger of them joining Identitarians to attack "non Whites" instead of Russians.

But do you agree my theory applies to Identitarians in the Atlantic West as well?

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Re: War
« Reply #127 on: November 10, 2024, 08:07:30 pm »
I would prefer to err on the side of caution and hence assume otherwise. After all, they are the ones who have rejected Counterculture lifestyle.


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Re: War
« Reply #128 on: November 25, 2024, 01:36:28 am »
We can dream:


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Re: War
« Reply #129 on: November 29, 2024, 07:51:16 pm »
If no one else will:


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Re: Duginism
« Reply #130 on: March 05, 2025, 11:10:39 pm »
If it is impossible to confront Duginism directly, I support this (given the rise of racism/machinism of "Whites" in the U.S. as well):
@KanwalSibal USA & Russia should go to war - full on. nothing of value would be lost. there would be fewer whites/christians in the world. that is ALWAYS a good thing. @iamyesyouareno @A...
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USA & Russia should go to war - full on.

nothing of value would be lost. there would be fewer whites/christians in the world.

that is ALWAYS a good thing.

@iamyesyouareno @AnnCoulter @MattWalshBlog @michaeljknowles @charliekirk11 @RichardBSpencer @JesseKellyDC

But, as the very next reply notes, the time at which this is least likely to happen is right now.
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Unfortunately, that is impossible. This incident has cemented rus-u.s partnership for the next decade. This was always the plan. Putin gets ukraine, U.S gets access to the Arctic. Multipolarity 101.


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Re: Re: Duginism
« Reply #131 on: March 06, 2025, 02:23:20 am »
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Multipolarity 101.

And this is why I was saying:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg28598/#msg28598

As for war against Russia, I would prefer attrition to maximize between Russia and EU countries first. (This would also free up more space for climate refugees.)


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Re: Re: Duginism
« Reply #132 on: March 06, 2025, 02:55:48 am »
Well at least now we know Britain and France are going to put boots on the ground in Ukraine. Russia will definitely not be deterred due to its massive nuclear arsenal, which means more attrition between EU and Russia. I hope this draws the U.S. in as well due to treaty obligation, as I would like to see "Whites" (including Jews), especially machinists, genocided.

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Re: War
« Reply #133 on: March 06, 2025, 03:31:19 am »
"Britain and France"

By the same logic, I would prefer attrition from Poland etc. to maximize first.

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Re: Australia
« Reply #134 on: March 11, 2025, 06:03:52 pm »
Australia doesn't have nukes and is not in NATO. In the new world order, I fail to see significant obstacles to China invading Australia to take its natural resources valued at $20 trillion, a...
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Australia doesn't have nukes and is not in NATO.
In the new world order, I fail to see significant obstacles to China invading Australia to take its natural resources valued at $20 trillion, a bargain even if it costs China $2 trillion.
Australia's population is only 26 million.

The question is, why isn't China doing this?
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