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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #120 on: February 08, 2023, 10:10:02 pm »





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« Reply #121 on: February 20, 2023, 07:38:53 am »
Good example of what degeneracy is (video at link):
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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #122 on: February 20, 2023, 07:39:40 pm »
They have these in Russia too:



Again, anyone who thinks Russia is not part of Western civilization is too stupid to be worth even talking to. It doesn't get more Western than this!

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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #123 on: February 21, 2023, 03:14:10 pm »
In western dancing one's focus is on trying to follow the dance choreography perfectly, which leads to rigidity and is adult like. Whereas non-western dancing should be about moving however one feels like, which is spontaneous and like a child.

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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #124 on: February 21, 2023, 05:38:31 pm »
This is not true; choreography is part of non-Western dancing also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg10956/#msg10956 (second video only)

What makes Western dancing inferior is the high sexual dimorphism within the choreography:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg2449/#msg2449


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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #125 on: February 25, 2023, 05:08:34 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg18139/#msg18139

let's look at the Mariinsky Theatre:















What else do you expect from them?

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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #126 on: February 28, 2023, 07:54:04 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-secretly-living-gymnast-girlfriend-204542640.html

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Alina Kabaeva, a 39-year-old Olympic rhythmic gymnastic champion who has long been linked with the 70-year-old Russian leader, lives in a villa on Putin’s estate on Lake Valdai, about 250 miles north west of Moscow, according to a report from Russian investigative news site The Project.
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Photographs of that mansion, leaked by a construction executive who worked around the house until 2005, showed opulent interiors reportedly inspired by Putin’s love for his hometown of St Petersburg and its eighteenth-century Hermitage Museum.







The decor matches Kabaeva herself (not a compliment):


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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #127 on: March 06, 2023, 09:05:44 pm »
Here is an enemy Twitter account specializing in posting photos of Western ugliness accompanied by effusive captions which are entertaining precisely because of how sincere they are:

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit

Examples:

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"Beauty will save the world" - Fyodor Dostoevsky


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The mesmerizing stained glass windows of Sainte-Chapelle, Paris.


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Imagine how morally depraved a society must be to demolish something like this.


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A beautiful building tells a thousand stories.


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How do we go back to being a society that builds things like this?


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MAKE ARCHITECTURE ART AGAIN


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MAKE CEILINGS ART AGAIN


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This is the Basilica of Notre-Dame de Fourvière in Lyon - one of the most astonishing ceilings in all of architecture.


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Beauty will lead you to God.


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MAKE LIBRARIES INSPIRE AGAIN


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"God is in the details."


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If only it were real...


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More is more.


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Dear artists, what is preventing you from painting like this?


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Dear architects, what is preventing you from building like this?


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“Styles may change, details may come and go, but the broad demands of aesthetic judgement are permanent.”

- Sir Roger Scruton


etc. etc.

Why are Westerners so oblivious to their own bad taste?

Finally, note the endorsement:



See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10157/#msg10157

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10259/#msg10259

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg14084/#msg14084

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg14902/#msg14902

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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #128 on: March 08, 2023, 09:23:29 am »
I checked out Culture Critic's account, and they even included non-Western infrastructure.

Here are buildings before and after Western embellishments:
https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1633164111998513165/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1633164540786405382/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1633164681266229261/photo/1

Here's an evolution of a building that existed from 1902:
https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1633082678080679941/photo/1
The one from 1980 looks more simple than the one from 1902 and 2016.

At least Culture Critic, though with different taste than us, said correctly about the superiority of architecture:
https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1632720648484143104/photo/1
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"Form follows function" - the three words that killed architecture.
Should "Form follows function" be the motto for True Left aesthetics?

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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #129 on: March 08, 2023, 01:31:03 pm »
"Should 'Form follows function' be the motto for True Left aesthetics?"

Perhaps that accompanied with "Keep it simple stupid!"?

And for those that like videos CNN just put one up in regards to Putin's home, to reiterate the point from this post: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/?message=18212

Never-before-seen images of Putin's lavish home and reputed girlfriend
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Roman Badanin, an independent Russian journalist who left Russia after facing the threat of a prison sentence, discusses his investigation into Russian President Vladimir Putin's secret, lavish lifestyle and details about his reputed girlfriend. #CNN #News


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What is it with dictators and gold furniture? Pathetic.

See also:

The American Media’s Awkward Fawning Over Hitler’s Taste in Home Decor

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When digging through archives for records of female architects and designers active in the 1930s, Dr. Despina Stratigakos, an architectural historian at the University at Buffalo, came across something unexpected.

She found old files from the Nazi party–and owing to their notoriously meticulous record keeping–they contained invoices for things like wooden chairs, carpets, and velvet curtains. One name in particular kept popping up: that of Gerdy Troost, Adolf Hitler’s close confidante and preferred interior designer.

Troost was responsible for decorating Hitler’s homes, from apartments in Berlin and Munich, to the Berghof, his vacation residence in the Bavarian Alps. And in the 1930s, this was excellent fodder for the nascent lifestyle magazines that were quickly growing in popularity in the United States...


Interestingly, America and Germany share the fact that both countries waged a revolutionary war against Western Civilization even though both arose from it.

Continuing with the article:

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According to Stratigakos, the propaganda machine had two goals for Hitler’s public persona: “There was this thundering leader, the messiah on the podium. And then there was this guy who was shown playing with his dogs, who was really relatable and evoked our empathy. The two depictions really worked well together,” she continues, “People really like the powerful leader, but one that they could actually relate to.”

And making Hitler seem relatable was exactly what his interior designer, Troost, intended to do. “I wanted to show [in the book] that these ‘fluff’ pieces are not harmless. I want people to pay attention to them,” says Stratigakos. “People seem to think, ‘Oh it’s just decor, or it’s mundane, and it doesn’t have any moral value to it.’ But people need to look at this kind of media as critically as they look at more political media.”

World War II had already begun when Life decided to publish photos of Hitler’s living spaces, as well as photos of some of his paintings. Apparently, the feature had been planned well before Germany invaded Poland, beginning World War II, but the editors decided to run it anyway. The magazine’s editorial staff, naturally aware of world events, decided to write slightly mocking image captions, lampooning Hitler’s sensibilities and the hypocrisy of his taste when compared to his leadership style.

But American readers were not happy about this. “People actually wrote in, taking Life magazine to task for treating Hitler sarcastically,” says Stratigakos. “One of the letters I remember reading even says something along the lines of, ‘you know, Hitler’s house is far more tasteful than Roosevelt’s.’ So the response was really surprising. American readers did not appreciate the magazine making fun of Hitler’s taste.”

All this while the war had started, and the wheels of industrial genocide had begun to turn. “People bought into this notion of a non-political, domestic Hitler, and this was exactly what the propagandists wanted,” notes Stratigakos. “There were built-in audiences for these kind of stories. It’s profoundly uncomfortable, and truly haunting.”
entire article: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-american-medias-awkward-fawning-over-hitlers-taste-in-home-decor

Perhaps it was merely a sense of shared blood memory? I suppose blood memory could make a person uncomfortable and feel haunted at times, almost as if their ancestors were speaking directly to them?

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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #130 on: March 08, 2023, 05:05:06 pm »
"non-Western infrastructure."

I wouldn't call the pre-embellishment buildings in those examples non-Western. They still have the structural symmetry and dimensional proportions of Western architecture, which is why they can be convincingly embellished so easily. I explain this here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10255/#msg10255

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It's not just motels, even US roadside restaurants capture the essence of American (ie. non-Western) aesthetics:



Contrast with the Western functional counterpart (note the emphasis on structural symmetry that is thoroughly absent from the American style):


Whereas the latter building could if required be embellished similarly to the examples you posted, the former cannot. This is what makes the former authentically American.

"Should 'Form follows function' be the motto for True Left aesthetics?"

False Left architecture also subscribes to this motto, therefore it is insufficient to indicate True Left aesthetics. The difference is that False Left architecture flaunts modernity:



whereas True Left architecture is nostalgic for antiquity:



in line with our general progressive vs regressive attitudes respectively:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/

I further claim that the American roadside restaurant posted above is closer to True Left than False Left architecture. Would you agree? See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10112/#msg10112

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Hitler’s house is far more tasteful than Roosevelt’s

I agree. Here is FDR's house for comparison:



See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/msg10610/#msg10610
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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #131 on: March 08, 2023, 06:55:07 pm »
Fair enough.

I guess for the building built in 1902 and fixed in 1980, even Counterculture-era has its limits and that sometimes just because elements is not favorable to our enemies it doesn't mean it's favorable to us, whether it's non-Aryan elements trying to be more Aryan or Aryan elements trying to be less Aryan.
I'm thinking if Culture Critic doesn't like Western infrastructure renovated for Counterculture, then they would definitely be upset over truly Counterculture infrastructure. Maybe that logic also applies to Star Wars.

As for the roadside restaurants, I see that it's smaller and simpler than the buildings I shared. Hitler's decor also looks made to last while in the same way doesn't look too unique. Same with the Pueblo house.

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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #132 on: March 24, 2023, 06:14:58 pm »
Latest from Culture Critic:

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1639287202579460097 (video)

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Paris in the 1920s - what made people stop dressing like this?

Random based commenter:

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How beautiful are these women? The stuff of dreams.


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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #133 on: March 28, 2023, 07:32:23 pm »
More Culture Critic:

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1640864150850097160

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This is what libraries are supposed to look like.

They are supposed to elevate the soul.





When our enemies say "the soul", they mean hubris.

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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #134 on: April 02, 2023, 05:52:39 pm »
Culture Critic asks:

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1642111558623830016

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What inspired human beings to build places like this?





Rightist answers:

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Because we can. Beauty is closer to God.

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When you believe in the higher dignity of man, you want to house him in a fitting manner

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God

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classical education.

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Class and vision

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Faith in God

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The divine.

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Sense of greater being.

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People that have a strong connection with both their own intellect and the underlying creative force that drives all things. You can feel the divine inspiration that went into structures like this.

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Good taste and no urge for perpetual victimhood

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The urge for beauty and perfection and the belief in God.

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Divine intervention

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A firm belief in God.

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A belief that life was fulfilling and beautiful

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A profound appreciation of the gift of life given us by a forgiving and loving God.

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Fancying the finer things in life.

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Class

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At root, the rediscovery of the greek thinkers and philosophers, which led to a rebirth of reason, a grand view of human nature, and the desire to externalize that grandeur in the physical world.

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A sense of style, grandeur, design, creativity and a source of inspiration for others.

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Holy divinity at it’s finest.

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A need for greatness and refinement.

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A belief in something greater than themselves. An acknowledgement of a Supreme Creator.

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cheap labor

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Tremendous wealth inequality?

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Slavery and wealth concentration.

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Colonialism

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Slavery and lack of rights, for the workforce.

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Autocrats, typically, who lorded it over peasants who were never allowed into places like this.

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A lack of basic, human priorities.

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Lots of money and free time

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Make believe and stories

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Likely cheap (slave) labor and inefficient markets.

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Modern societies should only be able to build such things when the needs of the common folk are met. If the people have enough art can flourish, otherwise it is just trading blood for beauty.

True Leftist answers:

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Horror movies

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mental illness

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Resident Evil 2

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Ego

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Pride. Ostentation.

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Devil

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Greed. Ambition. Power. Vanity. …

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horniness