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Question about Rational Thinking
« on: January 24, 2023, 09:30:12 pm »
If the westerners are "most rational people", why they keep oppressing the world with their Aristotelian ideology. Are they not know, that with such attitude they will suffer? Of course every human not want to suffer. Correct me if my logic are wrong

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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2023, 10:57:25 pm »
"If the westerners are "most rational people""

They are not. They are empiricists.

"why they keep oppressing the world with their Aristotelian ideology."

Aristotelianism is empiricist:

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This denies that humans have innate ideas. The notion dates back to Aristotle, c. 350 BC:

What the mind (nous) thinks must be in it in the same sense as letters are on a tablet (grammateion) which bears no actual writing (grammenon); this is just what happens in the case of the mind. (Aristotle, On the Soul, 3.4.430a1).
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These notions contrasted with Platonic notions of the human mind as an entity that pre-existed somewhere in the heavens, before being sent down to join a body on Earth (see Plato's Phaedo and Apology, as well as others). Aristotle was considered to give a more important position to sense perception than Plato

"Are they not know, that with such attitude they will suffer?"

They will not. On the contrary, Yahweh will reward them. It is their victims who will suffer. For example, look at the quantity of progress in Western medicine achieved by violently experimenting on non-humans. It is the experimentation victims who suffered and Western civilization which was rewarded with new treatments.

Again, think back to the Western air conditioner. It does not fail at cooling the room. It succeeds in cooling the room by causing everywhere outside the room to become hotter. Those inside the room are not suffering; they are being rewarded by Yahweh. It is those outside who suffer.
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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2023, 06:36:47 pm »
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They will not. On the contrary, Yahweh will reward them.

Today, they hated by the rest of world population. Is that "reward"?

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2023, 08:52:47 pm »
Even if the animals which the Western scientists experiment on hate the Western scientists, so what? The Western scientists are not threatened by the animals, and they gain knowledge from the experiments themselves. That is Yahweh's reward.

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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2023, 11:19:04 pm »
If "Yahweh" want to oppress his enemies, then "He" can make us all die, but "He" still give us some of "His"'s fortune to us like "His reward" through "material benefit." So Yahweh and His followers want to postpone their total victory?

Most of people compare their today's live with live of people from previous generations which more difficult and exposed to large-scale war. So, they justify today's natural condition and humiliate us for not able to adapt into current conditions. Most of people who teach "Self-Development" use that arguments to prevent us from debunking their way of thinking. We will lose their support if we want to change current condition into more empathic one.

Self-Development, Modern Psychology, "Self-Love", "Self-Reward" always use that kind of comparation. They always say that "God have another way to make us happy with His plan, so be patient. And if our perspective about justice are different from the reality which we see today, it's because our view of justice is different to God's plan. So trust His plan and He will give us happiness and justice based on His plan."

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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2023, 11:36:34 pm »
"If "Yahweh" want to oppress his enemies, then "He" can make us all die"

You still don't get it, do you? Why did Yahweh create us in the first place? He doesn't want us to die. He wants us trapped here forever. With Western civilization, he is succeeding:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/

"So Yahweh and His followers want to postpone their total victory?

No, there is no "total" for Yahweh. There is only endless accumulation:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/

"Total" by definition is something we only calculate at the end. The whole point of evil is to have no ending.


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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2023, 01:36:29 am »
If you believe that "armageddon" or "the end of time" will come, why you bother to against this material world, seeing it will die someday and sufferings which part of this world will removed forever? So, you will win even though you don't do anything. Different to me, I don't believe such prophecy, the world will last without end. It's up to us to make the world according to what we want it should be, if the sufferings cannot end, then our struggle will be eternal. So, how can believing "armageddon" is "rational"? Believing "the end of times" only make us falsely believe that the current condition will be reformed into the just one automatically

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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2023, 02:59:28 am »
"If you believe that "armageddon" or "the end of time" will come, why you bother to against this material world, seeing it will die someday and sufferings which part of this world will removed forever?

It won't happen by itself. We have to make it happen.

"So, you will win even though you don't do anything."

No, Yahweh will keep winning if we don't do anything.

"So, how can believing "armageddon" is "rational"?"

If I believe it is impossible, I will not work towards it.
If I believe it is inevitable, I will also not work towards it.
Only if I believe it is possible but not inevitable will I work towards it.

"Believing "the end of times" only make us falsely believe that the current condition will be reformed into the just one automatically"

Not automatically. It is up to us to make it happen.

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2023, 01:41:15 pm »
So then the goal of the true left is to create armageddon? Because this is the only way that the judeo-west(dajjal) can be destroyed?

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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2023, 05:20:35 pm »
Destroying Western civilization only makes it easier by preventing AI, settlement of outer space, etc.. We are merely limiting the growth of the problem, not yet solving it.

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2023, 05:33:46 pm »
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Destroying Western civilization only makes it easier
Easier to destroy Yahweh?

So then the first step is for western civilization to stop being a progressive materialist(growth) society, i.e capitalistic/communist.

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2023, 06:25:38 pm »
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Easier to destroy Yahweh?

So then the first step is for western civilization to stop being a progressive materialist(growth) society, i.e capitalistic/communist.

I dont believe that "Yahweh" is a creator, but merely an ideology which create continuous sufferings and slavery.

I dont believe that "God" or "Allah" is a "salvation God", but merely an ideology which create solution to against the world's sufferings

I believe that so-called "Dajjal" which described as "mass-deceiver" are the group of people and nations who spread ideology which proposing solutions which cannot be done because it's very difficult to achieve it, so it's a lie. Utopianist ideology like western material idealist philosophy is the example (ie. Homer, Achillean, Aristotelian, Faust, Renaissance, Enlightement, Manifest Destiny, Homo Deus). "Dajjal" is not a creature, but philosophical worldview. I will try to explain more from what you say with more rational way.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2023, 08:00:04 pm »
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I dont believe that "Yahweh" is a creator, but merely an ideology which create continuous sufferings and slavery.

I dont believe that "God" or "Allah" is a "salvation God", but merely an ideology which create solution to against the world's sufferings

Ideologies are the product of the mind, which is to say thoughts and inspirations. If one where to investigate the source of one's thoughts then one can figure out whether these thoughts are coming from God or Yahweh. If these thoughts or impulses create continuous sufferings and slavery then they are from Yahweh. If these thoughts or inspirations create solutions and peace  then they are from God, imo.

Also if you don't believe in Yahweh then who created this damned world then?

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"Dajjal" is not a creature, but philosophical worldview.

Im not sure if the Dajjal is an actual being either. I think that the western media is an aspect of the Dajjal though, also the way they try to eliminate, control and deceive people with subtle technology. 

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Re: Question about Rational Thinking
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2023, 07:57:55 pm »
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"So Yahweh and His followers want to postpone their total victory?

No, there is no "total" for Yahweh. There is only endless accumulation:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/

So, it means that "His" followers want moderation, in order to keep their subjects alive and have an agreement to peace with them, but continuously to be exploited for the sake founding "newer accumulation"? Or it means "non-sadistic slavery?"

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2023, 03:35:45 pm »
Maybe Yahweh is none other than one's self. How do you consider this possibility, 90sRetroFan?