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Re: Why You All Suck
« Reply #75 on: May 05, 2023, 06:28:13 pm »
>No problem, since I was the one warning against doing this before you even showed up... Those who identify as "white" for this reason are not to be prematurely assumed to be "white" on account of their self-identification alone.

This addresses people who CONSCIOUSLY call themselves "white", not UNCONSCIOUSLY. And even if you were truly saying this the entire time, then why argue me with me on this? You lost this one. Moving on.

>The most reliable way to tell whether or not apparent anti-racists who say they are "white" are actually "white", as always, is whether or not they voluntarily refrain from reproducing.[/quote]

You again have ignored my point that reproduction does not magically make someone fervently believe in something, but also somehow not, at the same time. You lost this one. Moving on.

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« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2023, 07:01:31 pm »
"This addresses people who CONSCIOUSLY call themselves "white""

No, the anti-racists who call themselves "white" to acknowledge privilege (which they use to mean undeserved advantage rather than advantage deserved on account of greater inherent importance) are calling themselves "white" without consciousness of "whiteness" as a claim of greater inherent importance over "non-whites".

"reproduction does not magically make someone fervently believe in something"

The intention to reproduce reflects that they already believe in it.

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Re: Why You All Suck
« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2023, 07:01:38 pm »
My question:

"(the Chinese) do have a space program, and they do have industry, they do have AI, Et cetera."

Your response:

>Copying whom?


Technocrats. I'm not responsible for something bad, if someone else did it first?

You show a stunning amount of (willful) ignorance of Chinese history, if you ignore all of its eras of violence and technological innovation made by the Chinese well before the Italian Renaissance.

But does this mean the Chinese should go extinct? Yes, as does most of Humanity No. The Han Chinese, much like "whites", are a broad and often vaguely defined group of people. They have been violently Sinicizing people for millennia, which makes the definition of "Han Chinese" just about as vague as "white" is. Consider how the "white" club used to only include the English & French, but eventually, "white" began to mean Germans, Iberians, Italians, and Slavs. Nowadays, when you look at American census forms you'll even see Arabs & Hispanics grouped together as "white". Differences do exist between the Han and "whites", but this fact remains.

My point is that, when you look at broad and often loosely defined groups of people, you see a microcosm of Humanity; the noble, ignoble, and mediocre. Yes, the spiritual Jews exist within all these groups and should be dealt with. But will you actually decrease ethnic discrimination, and ethnic tensions, by lumping the noble and ignoble in one broad group, and say they should all just go extinct, while not applying the same standards to other groups? I think you all know the answer to this.

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« Reply #78 on: May 05, 2023, 07:09:37 pm »
>No, the anti-racists who call themselves "white"... The intention to reproduce reflects that they already believe in it.

Everything I said before can be applied to what you said here. This is the umpteenth time I've told you to stop ignoring the question. From now on, everytime you do this, I will take it as an official concession of defeat from you. Give me a real answer, or shut up. Moving on.
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« Reply #79 on: May 05, 2023, 07:45:21 pm »
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Telling 90sRF to stop using verbal Jewry to ignore my arguments, or else I'll take it as a sign that I won the argument... Means I lost the argument? Outstanding.

What would YOU think about the validity of your opponent's beliefs if they repeatedly ignored your arguments by twisting your words, strawmans, bad faith, and dumb Ad Hominems?

90sRetrofan's data arguments even not yet answered by you through data and another philosophical logic. So, you still not yet able to answer him. We don't have reason to agree with you. Even on several times until your recent post, you just judging him without any historical, political, and ideological logic. You just showing your inability to answer, once again. You lost and you will be our target like how other "whites" being on our subject of retaliation

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« Reply #80 on: May 05, 2023, 07:55:17 pm »
"I'm not responsible for something bad, if someone else did it first?"

If one country arms itself with a new weapon that it invented, and then the other country (which did not invent that weapon) reacts by arming itself with the same weapon, are both to blame, or only the country which invented the weapon?

"will you actually decrease ethnic discrimination, and ethnic tensions"

A world with no ethnic tensions but in which "white" bloodlines continue to exist will create more new problems than a world with ethnic tensions but with "white" bloodlines eliminated. Ethnic tensions have existed throughout history. Ethnic tensions are not the reason why the world is in the terrible condition it is in today. The world is in the terrible condition it is in today because of what "whites" have been adding to it from roughly the Renaissance onwards.


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« Reply #81 on: May 05, 2023, 07:55:57 pm »
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Ascesis : Everything I said before can be applied to what you said here. This is the umpteenth time I've told you to stop ignoring the question. From now on, everytime you do this, I will take it as an official concession of defeat from you. Give me a real answer, or shut up. Moving on.


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Western Civilization is trash

Annual municipal solid waste generated per capita (kilograms/capita/day)





Waste collection rates, by income level (percent)





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No other country is drowning in waste as much as the US

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From an environmental perspective, waste incineration is preferable to landfill. However, just 17 out of the 38 countries in the report dispose of more waste through incineration than by landfill. They are Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Slovenia, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

Switzerland is the only country that does not send any waste to landfill. The Swiss produce 706kg of waste per capita, of which 333kg are incinerated and 210kg are recycled.4

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Environmental organizations such as the Friends of the Earth Germany estimate that less than 16% of the recyclable waste earmarked for recycling in Germany can be reused. The biggest problem is caused by mixtures of recyclable materials in items such as a yogurt pot with a cardboard sleeve and aluminium lid. If these are not separated before arrival, there is a high probability it will be registered at the recycling plant but will still end up being incinerated.

Small, very thin materials and some food packaging are difficult to recycle, as their reprocessing needs sophisticated technologies that are not easily available. The challenging recycling process is subsequently reflected in the price of secondary raw materials making these highly uncompetitive on the market.

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What a Waste explores global solid waste management trends and data. The accompanying What a Waste publication will include global, regional, and urban trends on solid waste management from technic...
datatopics.worldbank.org


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This chart shows the annual kilograms of municipal solid waste generated per capita in countries around the world.
Statista Daily Data · statista.com


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What a Waste explores global solid waste management trends and data. The accompanying What a Waste publication will include global, regional, and urban trends on solid waste management from technic...
datatopics.worldbank.org


4. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921344916301574

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The comprehensive analysis ranks 38 member states of the OECD according to the environmental impact of their waste management.
WMW · waste-management-world.com
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The Afro or so-called "black people" produced far-less waste as always almost all the time.



White race always doing anything which always waste of time



Had this invasion happened, there will be no more Waste Western Civilization

Hitler invasion of Britain plan on 1940s



Question to Ascesis : Which genes from my posted previous data facts which must be eliminated first from that real data you "white sympathizer?"
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Re: Why You All Suck
« Reply #82 on: May 05, 2023, 08:24:34 pm »
>Western Civilization is trash

Go piśs girl, I agree. This isn't anything new to me

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« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2023, 08:49:32 pm »
"White race always doing anything which always waste of time"

Ascesis wasting everyone's time proves he needs to reconsider his priorities or his ideology. You can't convince us "white" people should be appealed to for "mass propaganda" just because YOU used to identify as white and don't want to alienate other "self questioning whites" who might find this site. If they are truly worthy they will join us without worrying about those who hold back for petty egoistic reasons.

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« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2023, 08:55:41 pm »
@Ascesis “If one country arms itself with a new weapon that it invented, and then the other country (which did not invent that weapon) reacts by arming itself with the same weapon, are both to blame, or only the country which invented the weapon?”

This comment by 90sRetroFan is basically how I imagine China’s situation at the moment. China has a high enough average IQ to compete with western civilization directly, but they really don’t seem to be as inherently competitive by nature. China’s urge to rapidly progress technologically and societally seems to be partially motivated by an inferiority complex, and partially motivated by fear of the West.

Had China been left alone, they likely would not favor progress nearly as much, and would have been considered a “more stagnant and backwards society” (in other words, a superior society) by comparison, rather than the current westernized powerhouse of innovation that they’ve become (they appear to be outcompeting certain western countries in a lot of scientific and technological sectors at the moment). It’s like that one rightist article that 90sRetroFan linked. They mentioned how compared to the West, most other historical civilizations had more of an attitude of “Why fix perfection?”, so they generally stuck with the same architecture, the same art styles, and the same music for far longer, whereas the West, especially during and after the Renaissance, constantly felt the need to invent new art styles, new architecture, new music, and new ways of living in an attempt to “outdo” what’s already been done.

In a vacuum, the second reason (fear of the West) is more understandable to us, because they dealt with the Century of Humiliation (among other things) at the hands of the West, so their attitude has become “We won’t be humiliated again, so we can’t afford to be left behind.” The issue is that along the way, this fear can be corrupted into an adoption of the enemy’s values, so now many Chinese see endless (and competitively rapid) technological and societal progress as a good thing
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« Reply #85 on: May 05, 2023, 09:05:36 pm »
I think I found the relevant article (and response) for my last comment:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/?message=16791

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« Reply #87 on: May 05, 2023, 09:49:38 pm »
>but they really don’t seem to be as inherently competitive by nature.

You don't become the world's factory/leading tech hub without aggressive international capitalism my guy

en.wikipedia.org


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/11/world/asia/china-saudi-arabia-iran-us.html

>China’s urge to rapidly progress technologically and societally seems to be partially motivated by an inferiority complex, and partially motivated by fear of the West.

I know what you're trying to say, and I agree those are ignoble motivators. But considering the extreme changes China has undergone the past century, I think they are capable of being motivated by their own selfishness.

>Had China been left alone, they likely would not favor progress nearly as much,


I don't want to talk about speculative "what ifs". I want to talk about what they are actually doing, and what they are doing is turning their country into a concretized Hellscape. Are we going to allow ignoble people pass the ball of guilt to each other?

If we want, I bet we could trace the roots of the industrial revolution back to the Renaissance; should we say the English were the real victims, and that Northern Italians from centuries ago are the real villains? The concept of "whiteness" didn't exactly exist back then to begin with

>In a vacuum, the second reason (fear of the West) is more understandable to us, because they dealt with the Century of Humiliation (among other things) at the hands of the West

We can make excuses for Euros too. After centuries of constant warring and general misery, I really can't hold it against anyone living in the Middle Ages wanting to explore human anatomy for better medicine, so people maybe wouldn't die in their thirties. Its a shame that Renaissance culture was so degenerate, and that their discoveries kicked off a series of horrors. But how much is this even a genetic issue to begin with? I'm sure it is to some degree, but this image strikes me as a more in-depth answer as to what induces technological growth:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6hopzFu6_zU/Tw76-0zY2PI/AAAAAAAAADA/QNMib3ZKWcE/s1600/feudalism+to+Renaissance.png

For the record, I want to make it clear that I maintain that Western Civilization is evil, and must be eradicated. I just don't believe in counter-productively trying to use racism to end racism.
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« Reply #88 on: May 05, 2023, 09:54:49 pm »
>You can't convince us "white" people should be appealed to for "mass propaganda"

You are twisting my words into your own cope. Did you forget that I agreed that people who spontaneously don't call themselves "white" should be recruited for activism? My only point was that applying a paradoxical standard to the masses will only lead to more ethnic discrimination, and tensions between ethnic groups

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« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2023, 10:21:50 pm »
>If one country arms itself with a new weapon that it invented, and then the other country (which did not invent that weapon) reacts by arming itself with the same weapon, are both to blame, or only the country which invented the weapon?

The country would be to blame, not the entire "race". Or more specifically, that country's regime. However, there would come a point where the "defensive" nation would lose their defensive status once they begin preying on other countries, and developing even more insane weaponry. Iran & North Korea are proof that a nation does not need to be China an industrial nightmare developing even more paradigm-shifting weaponry for defense.

>A world with no ethnic tensions but in which "white" bloodlines continue to exist will create more new problems than a world with ethnic tensions but with "white" bloodlines eliminated.

If this is true for "whites", then its true for everyone else, especially industrialized nations. If any good comes from such a genocide, it will be the erasure of "whites" living a wasteful lifestyle at the expense of the ones who do not. So why mix the noble, ignoble, and the raceless? Why not go after those innovating upon industry and technology (regardless of skin color), rather than everyone who vaguely resemble those who started the industrial revolution?

Believe it or not, I'm comfortable with exterminating "white" Western Jingoists. I simply reject the notion that this animosity should apply to noble people with beige skin, but then for some reason, we should make excuses for "non-white" spiritual Jews.

>Ethnic tensions have existed throughout history. Ethnic tensions are not the reason why the world is in the terrible condition it is in today.

War is infamous for producing technological advancements made to overcome the other tribe. Westernism is a natural consequence of ethnic tension. You are lying to yourself if you downplay the importance of lowering tribalism in pursuit of a higher common ideal.

>The world is in the terrible condition it is in today because of what "whites" have been adding to it from roughly the Renaissance onwards.

"Whites", or people inventing technology? There are plenty of "non-whites" producing technology, and plenty of "whites" completely hateful of it. You know nothing of history if you believe that people who you would call "white" invented all technology, and never got ideas from other cultures you would consider "non-white". I already shared this with Galahad, but I think this simple image illustrates how the motivators for technological growth aren't even 100% genetic:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6hopzFu6_zU/Tw76-0zY2PI/AAAAAAAAADA/QNMib3ZKWcE/s1600/feudalism+to+Renaissance.png
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