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« Reply #165 on: May 09, 2023, 06:43:34 pm »
>Then where are you recruiting from? "Third Positionist" enemies no doubt.

Looks like you already know the answer to your own question! Fúck! Welp, I guess you got me.
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« Reply #166 on: May 09, 2023, 06:45:28 pm »
>You are still illiterate

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« Reply #167 on: May 09, 2023, 06:48:01 pm »
@Ascesis

“Not completely per se, no. But I've always been comfortable with adhering to a dynamic worldview that acknowledges its faults, and changes in order to reach its ultimate mission.”

Well, I think there are serious problems even with the original ideology. For example, I no longer agree with their idea that the Neolithic agricultural lifestyle led to the birth of a race of superior people. In fact, I think the opposite is true – that agriculture caused degradation  of the human genome. Humans have essentially been domesticated and this is not a good thing. This isn’t my own idea. I’ve encountered in it in a few places. It’s what Varg teaches, for example. I don’t believe that Neolithic people were vegan or vegetarian. There never was a vegan race of humans except for some castes in India (although that doesn’t mean that the ideology of veganism is wrong). And not all pre-agricultural people were superior to modern people. Some groups were superior but very specific conditions had to be present.

The reason I think this is that many of the traits that I dislike in human beings are explained better as adaptations to living in a highly organised hierarchical society that is in competition with other such societies than as adaptations to living as hunter-gatherers.

1. People in agricultural societies are more violent and tribalistic

As people born after WW2, we take for granted how peaceful society has been since then. The reason for this peace has been that everyone is scared of the nuclear bomb. Before the end of WW2, war was virtually endemic in civilised society. A society that can produce a large surplus population is going to use that population as cannon fodder to try to pillage and conquer neighbouring societies every generation. That’s why the majority of men have violent tendencies and why there are so many murderers and rapists. Of course, there were warlike societies before agriculture but in more isolated areas with abundant resources (the ‘specific conditions’ I referred to earlier), there were more peaceful societies. It’s much easier for small bands of hunter-gatherers to avoid conflict and maintain equilibrium with their environment than a hierarchical society capable of producing a large excess population.

Consider that pit bull terriers, which are used as fighting dogs, are more domesticated than wolves, but this doesn’t mean they are less aggressive. They are extremely aggressive but they are loyal to their master, just like a domesticated human who fights for their king and country, or for some bullshit Abrahamic religion.

2. People in agricultural societies have no integrity or idealism

Pre-agricultural people were in control of their environment and their own destiny. People in hierarchical societies are controlled by their rulers. They have to follow whatever ideology or religion their rulers demand, often on pain of death. If they are a member of a professional body, they have to follow the regulations of that professional body even if they do not agree (which actually makes sense because an organisation cannot function if everyone just does what they want, which is why civilised people evolved to be like that, but it does not produce free humans who can think critically and act with integrity). For example, I am a covid conspiracy theorist. If I was a teacher, I would have been told to stand in front of my students wearing a mask and tell them to wear a mask and get the vaccine. If I was a doctor, I would have been told to recommend the vaccine to my patients. If I had then said no, I would no longer have a job or somewhere to live. A Palaeolithic hunter-gatherer who says no to someone who is more respected in his band can go and pitch his tent somewhere else.

It stands to reason that people living under conditions where they have no control over anything would evolve to just accept whatever conditions they find themselves in and blindly obey authority figures, particularly when obeying authority figures and high social cohesion does give the society as a whole an advantage over other societies in warfare.

These are the people who believed in individual liberties and the value of consent at one moment, then that people should be forcibly injected with an experimental medical treatment that could have potentially killed a thousand times more people than it saved at another, just because an authority figure told them to believe it. These are the people who believed in Christianity for centuries just because the people around them did and authority figures told them to believe it. These are the people who simply do not have the ability to envision an alternative to the way the world is. You’ll go to one of these domesticated people and say something like ‘Corporations are destroying the planet’ and they’ll say ‘But we live in a Capitalist society so there’s nothing we can do about it’ or you’ll say ‘there is no longer true freedom of speech in this country’ and they’ll say ‘that’s what every country’s like’.

Many of them are good thinkers, but only within set paradigms. They cannot move out of the paradigm given to them because they have evolved to be soldiers and workers and just to follow instructions. A simple example: They might be able to follow an algorithm to multiply numbers well and do it very quickly and accurately but will not understand how it works and certainly not be able to come up with a new and better algorithm.

They don’t care about truth. They only care about saying whatever will get them status or help them achieve their goals, like in the days when someone could be accused of witchcraft for making herbal tea and everyone would just go along with it because they were afraid to be the one who spoke out even though everyone (including the accusers) knew it wasn’t true.

And there are other traits I could list, but those two are some good ones to start with.

So, to conclude, I used to think that kings and aristocracies were good and were needed because ordinary people are stupid and evil and need to be kept in line. I now think that kings, aristocracies and dictators are the ones who made ordinary people stupid and evil in the first place (by warring with other societies to gain more power for themselves), and are therefore bad, but since I acknowledge that ordinary people are stupid and evil I am still sceptical about democracy.

So, if we want to improve the human genome, we should do what we can to i) encourage one world government (since that will eliminate wars and hence eliminate the need for countries to have large populations so they can defend themselves against other countries). Preferably the one world government will be some kind of federation so that people can choose what laws they live under – basically like the United Nations was supposed to be except that all the countries will be small and of roughly the same size and power so that it actually works and ii) encourage the advancement of technology, since by automating jobs we will eliminate the need for people who are dumb enough to be able to concentrate on menial tasks day in day out and create a demand for people who can build and understand machines, which is good because you have to be able to think critically to understand highly technical subjects, although there are a small number of people capable of thinking critically about technical subjects but not about social issues. I know that you are all anti-technology, but it does have its good points and in recent years there has actually been a lot of progress in green technology.
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« Reply #168 on: May 09, 2023, 06:56:16 pm »
>I don’t even think that you actually believe this.

Yes, I do. "Blacks" get an entire month, it can't get anymore obvious than that.

>“white” tribalists being intentionally inflammatory and saying slogans like “White is beautiful” or “White pride!”, and “black” Americans trying to rediscover their self-confidence.

I can be racist as long as I pretend that it's to "rediscover self-confidence"? Got it

>There are no swaths of black-empowered movements proclaiming “black” people to be superior to every other group on the planet,

You think "black" people can't be racist chauvinist? Got it

>And if we’re speaking historically, there were never any “black” supremacist examples of colonialism either.

But they certainly don't hesitate to put BLM & LGBT flags on US bombs, do they?

>Eurocentrism isn’t just a problem among “black” Americans.


Gahahhahahhaa oh jeeze. I'll tell you in private

>should spend more time fighting against “white” racism and the past that caused that kind of statement to have that stigma in the first place.

Right on brother, but you need to realize that the "black is beautiful" shirts nevertheless increase racial tensions for both "whites" and "blacks"

>and then when they go to put their plan into motion, we never hear from them again at some point?

Because why would they clue everyone in? If there were Aryanists in prison right now for their activism, or Aryanists infiltrating high-profile dissident groups, or Aryanists with high priced properties, you would have no idea. Can't prove a negative, but I need you to put this into perspective.

>Clearly 90sRetroFan isn’t as easy to outclass as some people say.

There's a difference between getting someone to acknowledge that they are wrong, and simply giving up when someone is clearly not going to stop their dishonest and evasive debating strategies.

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« Reply #169 on: May 09, 2023, 06:57:42 pm »
>You arrogant "white" nuisance have the nerve to call God a schizophrenic  delinquent, now move aside dumbass, the divine calling to destroy western witness compels me to move, and your in the way.

You should try smiting us if that doesn't work

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« Reply #170 on: May 09, 2023, 07:02:40 pm »
>An argument in the finest tradition of this website... So, it isn’t that whites shouldn’t reproduce so that native Americans can inherit the land. It’s that both whites and native Americans shouldn’t reproduce so that the noble Capybara can inherit the land! To paraphrase Diogenese the Cynic “Behold! An Aryan!”

I actually laughed out loud reading these ;D

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« Reply #171 on: May 09, 2023, 07:23:16 pm »
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Let’s just pray that the rightist death squads that are gearing up don’t take us out first then. Or that the coming refugee crisis doesn’t send the majority to the right.

So, order the leftist to get armed for defense and counter-attack, simple...

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Or that our enemies don’t develop technology that will make it impossible to defeat them.

So, order the leftist to get armed for defense and counter-attack, simple...

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(And before you try arguing it, no, the refugees will not help your blue shift. They will be shot/bombed where they stand or left at the border to die.)

So, order the leftist to get armed for defense and counter-attack, simple...

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....yes it is. It it WAY more socially acceptable to be a racially aware "black" in the States, than it is to be a racially aware "white". No one questions the "black" guy wearing the "black and beautiful", but switch both with "white" and everyone will lose their minds. Saying everyone gets to be racist but one group, is only really going to make that one group racist.

Your ignorance of the "whites" word is an offensive term is your problem

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Tribalism is tribalism. You are basically saying that slave identities are okay, but enslaver identities are not, although at this point they're honestly both slave identities.

When "white" identity got abandoned, we can remove "black" identity too. But sadly people like you prevent it to succeed.

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You think "blacks" have never had trouble with Koreans & Latinos? lol

Because Koreans and Latinos tend to close to "whiteness".

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This "group" includes people who are not responsible for things people who vaguely look like them did. Learn basic Aryanism.

If they not responsible for "whiteness", they will agree to hate themselves as "white" when they got reprimanded of their unconscious self-identification of "white"

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No, its OUR problem if people become racist. The entire point is to stop that from happening, whereas you your boy 90sRF straightup acknowledged that his politics are increasing racial tensions and injustices, but does not care. If you're entire argument is "well people suck lol" then why are you even here

Increasing anti-whiteness and making them suffers is our struggle. If our struggle against it is your problem, then you are our mortal enemy

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He has not provided any "facts", only argumentative fallacies.



He even providing data which you always ignore without showing the another data to refute it. It's you who always doing argumentative fallacies. Answer that data first



Now, answer my data, which genes which must be eliminated first before others?

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I don't care, "blacks" still cling to it more than "whites" cling to "whiteness." Tribalism is tribalism, now answer the question.

People from other ethnic can support "blacks" whereas "whites" not want the "colored people" even though they support them. Therefore "whites" are tribalism, and "blacks" are still possible to become integrationist.

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"Whites" do not have nearly the same racial and spiritual homogeneity that Jews do. Why not apply this to "black" people too? Don't get me wrong, just saying that "whiteppl suck" isn't enough. Autarkic living, and a complete moral paradigm shift needs to follow. But this applies to everyone else as well, not just "whites".

Your ignorance on Jews's total association with "whites" and their similar behaviour is your fatal problem

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...That's what I did. You think your Leftist schizo forum is Ascesis' source of recruitment?

You just doing soft opposition to "whiteness" which hamper our struggle

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Who would you rather die, an average "white" guy or a "black" Zionist politician?

Both of them, but of course we will use total ruthlessly to "whites" more than to anyone. And your argument about "black" Zionist politicians is not proven in reality, showing that Zionist prefer Indo-Europeans ("whites") rather than the "colored people"

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Me calling Leftists hypocrites has nothing to do with how the media portrays them. It has to do with you saying things like whites should stop reproducing so that native Americans can have back the land that was stolen from them but Arabs in North Africa can stay there and do not have to give North Africa back to the Berbers and Copts.

The Arabs until today don't have problems with their fellow countrymen like how "whites" with "blacks" on the West, so your comparation is not match

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The Khoisan held most of sub-saharan Africa before the Bantu expansion. A displacement easily comparable in magnitude to the displacement of native Americans by Europeans.

There's no apartheid on their struggle of expansion, so they still make possibility to result integration. Different to "whites" and "blacks". So, destroy "whites"

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“Jews will answer the same thing if they got questioned about the history of their ancestor's settlement's progress on Islamic land. I don't take their argument seriously”

More laughable imitations of 90sRF’s bullshit.

Just answer my argument, or admit your inability to do it

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Sure. Most Aryanists, even if we disagree one a few topics, are largely negotiable and rational people. You and your yes-men do not represent most Aryanists.

We are anti-democracy whereas you justify your stand with democratic thinking. You are away from National Socialism


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« Reply #172 on: May 09, 2023, 07:37:32 pm »
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Preferably the one world government will be some kind of federation

You are liberal, you're not part of our movements

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so that people can choose what laws they live under

Including Mosaic Law, including western law? Alright, thank you for showing who you are

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encourage the advancement of technology, since by automating jobs we will eliminate the need for people who are dumb enough to be able to concentrate on menial tasks day in day out and create a demand for people who can build and understand machines, which is good because you have to be able to think critically to understand highly technical subjects, although there are a small number of people capable of thinking critically about technical subjects but not about social issues

Jews will like you and you got employment from them

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Right on brother, but you need to realize that the "black is beautiful" shirts nevertheless increase racial tensions for both "whites" and "blacks"

The "whites" who are aware of their evilness will surrender for the sake of reducing racial tensions, and people like you will not want to do that.

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There's a difference between getting someone to acknowledge that they are wrong, and simply giving up when someone is clearly not going to stop their dishonest and evasive debating strategies.

You always evading


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« Reply #173 on: May 09, 2023, 07:42:29 pm »
"You are liberal, you're not part of our movements"

I never claimed to be part of your movement and also I wasn't talking to you.

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« Reply #174 on: May 09, 2023, 07:43:35 pm »
@Junito

>For example, I no longer agree with their idea that the Neolithic agricultural lifestyle led to the birth of a race of superior people. In fact, I think the opposite is true – that agriculture caused degradation  of the human genome. I don’t believe that Neolithic people were vegan or vegetarian. There never was a vegan race of humans except for some castes in India (although that doesn’t mean that the ideology of veganism is wrong). And not all pre-agricultural people were superior to modern people. Some groups were superior but very specific conditions had to be present.

I'm okay with this and have always been aware of these observations; its just that to me, ultimately, the most essential part of its worldview is its philosophy and ideals. Its only natural and healthy for its exact views on history to change. But nevertheless, I will defend the Neolithic Revolution saying that although it was certainly no utopia, it at least made beauties like Veganism, art, and truly transcendent religion (that wasn't just ancestor worship), possible.

>Humans have essentially been domesticated and this is not a good thing.

Tell me more about this. I've heard this idea a bit, namely from Konrad Lorenz, but wanna get a better understanding of what you think this entails before I give an opinion on it

>A society that can produce a large surplus population is going to use that population as cannon fodder to try to pillage and conquer neighbouring societies every generation. That’s why the majority of men have violent tendencies and why there are so many murderers and rapists. Of course, there were warlike societies before agriculture but in more isolated areas with abundant resources (the ‘specific conditions’ I referred to earlier), there were more peaceful societies. It’s much easier for small bands of hunter-gatherers to avoid conflict and maintain equilibrium with their environment than a hierarchical society capable of producing a large excess population.

If you ask me, this is why Aryanists should make a distinct between Aryan permacultural society, and Monsanto monocultural society, if that makes sense. If I am correct, the Aryan Diffusion series makes mention that population explosion often occured whenever frugal Aryan agrarianism combined with aggressive Hunter-Gatherers (who weren't afraid to hunt, raid, and fertilize crops with fish for more food), for what its worth.

The Aryanist line is generally just that agrarianism alone provides opportunities for environmentally "low-impact" and noble living, but that yes, ignoble people have used the idea of farming for ignoble purposes

>Consider that pit bull terriers, which are used as fighting dogs, are more domesticated than wolves, but this doesn’t mean they are less aggressive. They are extremely aggressive but they are loyal to their master, just like a domesticated human who fights for their king and country, or for some bullshit Abrahamic religion.

Good point

>It’s much easier for small bands of hunter-gatherers to avoid conflict and maintain equilibrium with their environment than a hierarchical society capable of producing a large excess population.

The issue here is overpopulation, which is something Aryanism has always been staunchly against. You're right that large agriculture-based societies become cancers, but killing small animals in the woods for a living isn't the only alternative option

>Pre-agricultural people were in control of their environment and their own destiny.

This is just romanticization my guy. They wouldn't have been as rugged as they were, if they truly did have so much control. No societies have yielded the forces of nature as much as agrarian ones have. At the very least, I'm sure we could agree that people without self-determination exist in both Agrarian & Hunter-Gatherer societies.

>People in hierarchical societies are controlled by their rulers.


Hunting tribes were/are definitely dominated by brutish personalities, considering the typically harsh environments that demands forceful personalities, high sexual dimorphism, and the Alpha-Beta dynamic.

>People in hierarchical societies are controlled by their rulers. They have to follow whatever ideology or religion their rulers demand, often on pain of death. If I had then said no, I would no longer have a job or somewhere to live. A Palaeolithic hunter-gatherer who says no to someone who is more respected in his band can go and pitch his tent somewhere else. A Palaeolithic hunter-gatherer who says no to someone who is more respected in his band can go and pitch his tent somewhere else.

This all can  easily go both ways. A high-stakes Hunter-Gatherer lifestyle can, depending on the situation, favor people willing to speak up just as much as the tension of the moment can lead to violence for anyone who does not fall in line (Genghis Khan, and his childhood, are a great example). Furthermore, people can and often do establish their own homes separate from everyone else, in agrarian societies as well.

>These are the people who believed in individual liberties and the value of consent at one moment, then that people should be forcibly injected with an experimental medical treatment that could have potentially killed a thousand times more people than it saved at another, just because an authority figure told them to believe it.... You’ll go to one of these domesticated people and say something like ‘Corporations are destroying the planet’ and they’ll say ‘But we live in a Capitalist society so there’s nothing we can do about it’ or you’ll say ‘there is no longer true freedom of speech in this country’ and they’ll say ‘that’s what every country’s like’.

Absolutely, but the issue here is runaway human ignobility getting drunk off of something noble (agrarianism), turned into something rotten

>They might be able to follow an algorithm to multiply numbers well and do it very quickly and accurately but will not understand how it works and certainly not be able to come up with a new and better algorithm.

The entire paradigm of the education system needs to be overhauled for this reason. Been studying some math lately, and I quickly realized that all math really is, is following a formula. Its more so about pedantically following a rule book, than it is puzzle solving. This obviously is not always the case, but the point remains

>I now think that kings, aristocracies and dictators are the ones who made ordinary people stupid and evil in the first place (by warring with other societies to gain more power for themselves), and are therefore bad, but since I acknowledge that ordinary people are stupid and evil I am still sceptical about democracy.

Its a feedback loop between the two, if you ask me. National Socialism managed to strike a good balance between acknowledging how some people are better than others, but in a way that uplifted everyone, rather than make a snobby clique.

>encourage one world government (since that will eliminate wars and hence eliminate the need for countries to have large populations so they can defend themselves against other countries). Preferably the one world government will be some kind of federation so that people can choose what laws they live under – basically like the United Nations was supposed to be except that all the countries will be small and of roughly the same size and power so that it actually works and ii)

I wonder if/how BRICS could be used as a stepping stone to all of this. Right now its undermining the West, but whether or not it merely replaces it, is another issue

>encourage the advancement of technology, since by automating jobs... I know that you are all anti-technology, but it does have its good points and in recent years there has actually been a lot of progress in green technology.

We could honestly do mind-blowing wonders with the technology we already have. Technology has exploded so much that we really don't know what to do with it, so if anything, we should focus on making good with what we already have, rather than expand technological knowledge, which is virtually guaranteed to end horribly the moment someone either stupid or ignoble get their hands on it. Generally, technology should be avoided when possible BUT I will acknowledge that if used intelligently but noble people, it can do some amazing things.

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« Reply #175 on: May 09, 2023, 07:55:21 pm »
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I never claimed to be part of your movement and also I wasn't talking to you.

I just want to show to the members that your arguments shows that you are our enemy

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Its a feedback loop between the two, if you ask me. National Socialism managed to strike a good balance between acknowledging how some people are better than others, but in a way that uplifted everyone, rather than make a snobby clique.

Yes, better make good balance rather than making "whiteness" and "whites" keep preserved, they are the snobby clique

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Generally, technology should be avoided when possible BUT I will acknowledge that if used intelligently but noble people, it can do some amazing things.

As long as you preserve machines, not automation, you will preserve complexification and resulting potential western society which is totally evil. As long as you preserve "whites" you never succeed in your goal. Noble people focus on integrating people, not getting distracted by the "amazing features" of technology


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« Reply #176 on: May 09, 2023, 08:02:17 pm »
@Junito

>For example, I no longer agree with their idea that the Neolithic agricultural lifestyle led to the birth of a race of superior people. In fact, I think the opposite is true – that agriculture caused degradation  of the human genome. I don’t believe that Neolithic people were vegan or vegetarian. There never was a vegan race of humans except for some castes in India (although that doesn’t mean that the ideology of veganism is wrong). And not all pre-agricultural people were superior to modern people. Some groups were superior but very specific conditions had to be present.

I'm okay with this and have always been aware of these observations; its just that to me, ultimately, the most essential part of its worldview is its philosophy and ideals. Its only natural and healthy for its exact views on history to change. But nevertheless, I will defend the Neolithic Revolution saying that although it was certainly no utopia, it at least made beauties like Veganism, art, and truly transcendent religion (that wasn't just ancestor worship), possible.

>Humans have essentially been domesticated and this is not a good thing.

Tell me more about this. I've heard this idea a bit, namely from Konrad Lorenz, but wanna get a better understanding of what you think this entails before I give an opinion on it

>A society that can produce a large surplus population is going to use that population as cannon fodder to try to pillage and conquer neighbouring societies every generation. That’s why the majority of men have violent tendencies and why there are so many murderers and rapists. Of course, there were warlike societies before agriculture but in more isolated areas with abundant resources (the ‘specific conditions’ I referred to earlier), there were more peaceful societies. It’s much easier for small bands of hunter-gatherers to avoid conflict and maintain equilibrium with their environment than a hierarchical society capable of producing a large excess population.

If you ask me, this is why Aryanists should make a distinct between Aryan permacultural society, and Monsanto monocultural society, if that makes sense. If I am correct, the Aryan Diffusion series makes mention that population explosion often occured whenever frugal Aryan agrarianism combined with aggressive Hunter-Gatherers (who weren't afraid to hunt, raid, and fertilize crops with fish for more food), for what its worth.

The Aryanist line is generally just that agrarianism alone provides opportunities for environmentally "low-impact" and noble living, but that yes, ignoble people have used the idea of farming for ignoble purposes

>Consider that pit bull terriers, which are used as fighting dogs, are more domesticated than wolves, but this doesn’t mean they are less aggressive. They are extremely aggressive but they are loyal to their master, just like a domesticated human who fights for their king and country, or for some bullshit Abrahamic religion.

Good point

>It’s much easier for small bands of hunter-gatherers to avoid conflict and maintain equilibrium with their environment than a hierarchical society capable of producing a large excess population.

The issue here is overpopulation, which is something Aryanism has always been staunchly against. You're right that large agriculture-based societies become cancers, but killing small animals in the woods for a living isn't the only alternative option

>Pre-agricultural people were in control of their environment and their own destiny.

This is just romanticization my guy. They wouldn't have been as rugged as they were, if they truly did have so much control. No societies have yielded the forces of nature as much as agrarian ones have. At the very least, I'm sure we could agree that people without self-determination exist in both Agrarian & Hunter-Gatherer societies.

>People in hierarchical societies are controlled by their rulers.


Hunting tribes were/are definitely dominated by brutish personalities, considering the typically harsh environments that demands forceful personalities, high sexual dimorphism, and the Alpha-Beta dynamic.

>People in hierarchical societies are controlled by their rulers. They have to follow whatever ideology or religion their rulers demand, often on pain of death. If I had then said no, I would no longer have a job or somewhere to live. A Palaeolithic hunter-gatherer who says no to someone who is more respected in his band can go and pitch his tent somewhere else. A Palaeolithic hunter-gatherer who says no to someone who is more respected in his band can go and pitch his tent somewhere else.

This all can  easily go both ways. A high-stakes Hunter-Gatherer lifestyle can, depending on the situation, favor people willing to speak up just as much as the tension of the moment can lead to violence for anyone who does not fall in line (Genghis Khan, and his childhood, are a great example). Furthermore, people can and often do establish their own homes separate from everyone else, in agrarian societies as well.

>These are the people who believed in individual liberties and the value of consent at one moment, then that people should be forcibly injected with an experimental medical treatment that could have potentially killed a thousand times more people than it saved at another, just because an authority figure told them to believe it.... You’ll go to one of these domesticated people and say something like ‘Corporations are destroying the planet’ and they’ll say ‘But we live in a Capitalist society so there’s nothing we can do about it’ or you’ll say ‘there is no longer true freedom of speech in this country’ and they’ll say ‘that’s what every country’s like’.

Absolutely, but the issue here is runaway human ignobility getting drunk off of something noble (agrarianism), turned into something rotten

>They might be able to follow an algorithm to multiply numbers well and do it very quickly and accurately but will not understand how it works and certainly not be able to come up with a new and better algorithm.

The entire paradigm of the education system needs to be overhauled for this reason. Been studying some math lately, and I quickly realized that all math really is, is following a formula. Its more so about pedantically following a rule book, than it is puzzle solving. This obviously is not always the case, but the point remains

>I now think that kings, aristocracies and dictators are the ones who made ordinary people stupid and evil in the first place (by warring with other societies to gain more power for themselves), and are therefore bad, but since I acknowledge that ordinary people are stupid and evil I am still sceptical about democracy.

Its a feedback loop between the two, if you ask me. National Socialism managed to strike a good balance between acknowledging how some people are better than others, but in a way that uplifted everyone, rather than make a snobby clique.

>encourage one world government (since that will eliminate wars and hence eliminate the need for countries to have large populations so they can defend themselves against other countries). Preferably the one world government will be some kind of federation so that people can choose what laws they live under – basically like the United Nations was supposed to be except that all the countries will be small and of roughly the same size and power so that it actually works and ii)

I wonder if/how BRICS could be used as a stepping stone to all of this. Right now its undermining the West, but whether or not it merely replaces it, is another issue

>encourage the advancement of technology, since by automating jobs... I know that you are all anti-technology, but it does have its good points and in recent years there has actually been a lot of progress in green technology.

We could honestly do mind-blowing wonders with the technology we already have. Technology has exploded so much that we really don't know what to do with it, so if anything, we should focus on making good with what we already have, rather than expand technological knowledge, which is virtually guaranteed to end horribly the moment someone either stupid or ignoble get their hands on it. Generally, technology should be avoided when possible BUT I will acknowledge that if used intelligently but noble people, it can do some amazing things.

You never answer my counter-arguments, it's you who are evading from this discussion. Even though you're the first who create the debate

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« Reply #177 on: May 09, 2023, 08:10:53 pm »
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I'm not responding to you because I've already had to repeat myself fifty times to 90sRF, and a many more times with others — all because you retards can't answer my points without argumentative fallacies. So I'm not going to do it all over again for you, merely because you want to prove what a good boy you are to 90sRetroFan from trueleft.createaforum.com

Plus, I think its funny that the more I ignore you, the larger your font size and responses get. I know who you are, and your actual intentions. So no, I'm not going to take you seriously. But feel free to seethe out even more walls of text though, I will be happy to scroll right past them like I've been doing for the past week.

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« Reply #178 on: May 09, 2023, 08:27:37 pm »
“Tell me more about this. I've heard this idea a bit, namely from Konrad Lorenz”

I’d never heard of Konrad Lorenz, to be honest. And I haven’t fully thought it through. I can’t, for example, give you a list of which pre-agricultural populations I would consider to be superior. I heard about this idea at the start of 2021 here
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and at first I was arguing with the author, since at that time I believed in “Aryanism” and was saying the same things that you are saying now, but over time I realised that he is probably right. Like I said, Varg teaches a variation of this. And there is also a book called ‘Sex at Dawn’ which teaches a variation of this, although I admit I’m yet to read it.

“The issue here is overpopulation, which is something Aryanism has always been staunchly against.”

But can’t you see that any complex agricultural society needs to maintain a high population otherwise it will simply be conquered by its larger neighbours? I suppose you would argue that it need not fear neighbouring hunter-gatherers since they would have a small population and neighbouring farmers would not attack them because they are noble. But imagine one of the farmer societies went bad and did attack them simply to become more powerful. That society would win in the evolutionary contest and hence, by the principle of natural selection, all the farmer societies will end up being expansionist and having high populations since those are the societies that will win. This is just natural selection at work.

“but killing small animals in the woods for a living isn't the only alternative option”

I know it isn’t. I’m not saying that we should all become hunter-gatherers, only that people who are less domesticated are superior. we can have traits of the hunter-gatherers without becoming literal hunter-gatherers with stone age technology. As I said, I think that both the hunter-gatherers and the agriculturalists killed animals.

“Hunting tribes were/are definitely dominated by brutish personalities, considering the typically harsh environments that demands forceful personalities, high sexual dimorphism, and the Alpha-Beta dynamic.”

See – this is a stereotype about hunter-gatherers but I don’t think it has any basis in fact. High sexual dimorphism is needed by societies that are constantly at war (men) and produce many children (women). It wouldn’t be necessary for certain pre-agricultural societies. And why would there need to be an alpha-beta dynamic? Like I said, is it easier to say ‘no’ to someone with authority in a civilised society with laws and hierarchies backed up by the army and a police force or a in a small band of hunter-gatherers? Would there even be people in non-agricultural societies with significant authority?

“This is just romanticization my guy. They wouldn't have been as rugged as they were, if they truly did have so much control. “

I’m not saying that their lives weren’t hard or they weren’t at the mercy of the elements, but they were individually in control of how they responded to those challenges. You don’t have individual control if you live in a civilised society. How you live and what you’re allowed to do and say is dictated to you by others.

“Genghis Khan, and his childhood, are a great example”

The Mongols are an example of a pre-agricultural society that wouldn’t have had the right conditions for the sort of person I favour to develop. They were very warlike due to the lack of resources. And the horse meant that they could travel quite easily and could hence make war with many different groups of people. Native North Americans have a reputation as ‘noble savages’ – by practising empathetic childcare, for example. I wonder if this is due in part to the absence of the horse in America until Europeans came.

“The entire paradigm of the education system needs to be overhauled for this reason.”

But my point isn’t that the problem is with the education system, but with how certain people’s minds work naturally.

“I wonder if/how BRICS could be used as a stepping stone to all of this.”

Having five superpowers is preferable to having two superpowers as we did in the Cold War era, since that made the UN ineffective. The point of a world federation would be that if one state of the federation (or country of the UN) rebelled and invaded another, all the other states could attack and neutralise it. If you have two superpowers, that means you have two massive blocs of allies each effectively functioning as a separate, equally powerful federation. But I’m not fanatically anti-Western like the people on here. I would have no problem with America being one of the superpowers.

“which is virtually guaranteed to end horribly the moment someone either stupid or ignoble get their hands on it”

We’ve already seen over the last few years the pandemic being used as an excuse to implement mass surveillance through schemes such as ‘track and trace’ and their push for a cashless society and universal digital IDs that link to all your activities including your internet usage, shopping habits and so on, and who knows what damage the vaccines will cause in the long-term. And then there is the terrifying prospect of Elon Musk trying to drill holes in our heads and controlling our brains. So yes, the direction technology could potentially go in is frightening.
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« Reply #179 on: May 09, 2023, 08:30:16 pm »
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all because you retards can't answer my points without argumentative fallacies.

We already give answer and even scientific data. Now where is your data to prove your logical standpoint, all you do from 2 days ago just say to us with words like "ad hominem", "fallacy, "tribalist", and "straw man". That's even not data and logical thinking. We cannot agree with you then. You merely showing your own inability and ignorance on this forum, so, thank you. Your point is to defend every single potential "whites" who are suited for your counter-revolutionary movements

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Plus, I think its funny that the more I ignore you, ...

Keep writing on this forum, I will answer every single of your arguments to educate the members about your ignorance and hypocrisy. That's not a hard thing