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True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« on: January 29, 2022, 10:43:57 pm »
Mainstream academic accidentally stumbles across the justification for folkish imperialism:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/whack-mole-experts-call-hong-041901476.html

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"Only Hong Kong and China are saying they are trying to eradicate the virus," he said. "It would have worked if other countries did the same but the fact they don’t think that way means the virus is always flowing."

In other words, China would be theoretically justified in invading all non-eradicationist countries, on the condition that it imposes the same eradicationist rules everywhere. It is the non-eradicationist countries preventing the eradication from succeeding, therefore it is justified for the eradicationist countries to invade them. (Similarly, a hypothetical vegan country would be justified in invading all non-vegan countries for the sake of eradicating cruelty to animals, and so on.)

In contrast, wishing to bring progress to additional territories is an invalid reason for invasion. A non-industrial country does not prevent an industrial country from successful industry, therefore the industrial country is unjustified in invading the non-industrial country. A non-compulsory-schooling country does not prevent a compulsory-schooling scountry from successful compulsory schooling, therefore the compulsory-schooling country is unjustified in invading the non-compulsory-schooling country. And so on. (In fact it is the other way round: the non-industrial/non-compulsory-schooling/etc. countries should invade the industrial/compulsory-schooling/etc. countries in order to eradicate industry/compulsory schooling/etc.!)

In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).

Most fundamentally, consider reproduction. Reproducers are not justified in invading non-reproducers, because reproduction will succeed so long as some people reproduce (irrespective of the remainder not reproducing). On the other hand, non-reproducers are justified in invading reproducers, because non-reproduction will only succeed if everyone refrains from reproducing simultaneously.

So, what is the common feature of all ideas that can succeed only if everyone practices them simultaneously, and what is the common feature of all ideas that can succeed with merely a fraction of people practicing them?

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True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2022, 08:34:45 pm »
The False Left opposes imperialism, whereas the True Left only opposes colonialism. Indeed, the True Left is not only not opposed to non-colonial imperialism, but in fact even supports it in cases where it is explicitly anti-colonial. Example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa#:~:text=The%20Annexation%20of%20Goa%20was,the%20%22Liberation%20of%20Goa%22
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The Annexation of Goa was the process in which the Republic of India annexed Estado da India, the then Portuguese Indian territories of Goa, Daman and Diu, starting with the armed action carried out by the Indian Armed Forces in December 1961. In India, this action is referred to as the "Liberation of Goa".
Anti colonial imperialism in modern times could in fact accurately be called Hitlerism.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2022, 10:17:47 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/msg14085/#msg14085

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Western air conditioners increase total heat(!!!), but merely pumps it outside, thus cooling the inside (at least until eventually the heat outside gets back in).

Non-Western air conditioners do not increase total heat, instead cooling by making heat dissipation more efficient.

It should be obvious which is worse.

more non-Western superiority on display:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweltering-asians-places-where-extreme-211454232.html

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Much of the world right now is dealing with mind-numbing heat. But there are places where such stifling, health-imperiling temperatures are common — and air conditioning isn’t. Asian immigrants from regions where sweltering is the norm have been offering their time-tested advice on how to stay cool without electricity or technology.

In parts of Asia that have long grappled with heat waves, families have developed their own cooling rituals over generations. Some say they have slept on the floor in kitchens, where tile surfaces retain less heat, or spread bamboo mats around the house for the same reason. Others advised wearing lungis, thin cloths tied around the waist, and eating cold seasonal foods like noodles or lassi to help keep the heat at bay.
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Putting a touch of water on each wrist to help cool the body through the veins is a common practice in the villages, said climate expert and United Nations consultant Saad Amer.

At the very least, none of these methods increase total heat, unlike Western air conditioners.

But what happens if non-Westerners use these superior cooling methods while Westerners keep using their inferior Western air conditioners? Answer: the world keeps becoming hotter until eventually even the superior non-Western cooling methods will not work.

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But for vulnerable populations at the forefront of the climate crisis, these measures can only go so far, he added.

When temperatures climb and resources dwindle, simple measures are futile, leaving the world’s most vulnerable “unable to function,” he said.

Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail when others are not also living the same way. We must crush the inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the superior way. This is the same conclusion as we reached here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg10902/#msg10902

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In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).

So when are we going to eradicate Western civiization?

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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2022, 12:20:12 am »
Excellent summary of what happens when non-Yahwists encounter Yahwists:

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China: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
Europe: "I'm taking your stuff now"
China: "How could this happen?! Nothing is broken!"

Let's break it down:

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China: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"

This is the correct approach.

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Europe: "I'm taking your stuff now"

This is Yahweh rewarding those who follow his approach instead.

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China: "How could this happen?! Nothing is broken!"

Because you forgot to first destroy those who cannot resist the temptation to fix what is not broken. As I was saying:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg14823/#msg14823

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Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail when others are not also living the same way. We must crush the inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the superior way.

We cannot just be non-Yahwist. We must be anti-Yahwist.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2023, 12:33:55 am »
https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status/1582691839077122048
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I'm Indian from India and I have no problem accepting the superior intellectual achievements of the West over the last 500 years.

Only an idiot or fraud would deny it.
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Terrible caste supremacist ideas being floated by highly well-read people who should know better.
By the same logic, West has a way more compelling case for superiority as they dominated almost every field for 500 yrs while Indians produced very little of substance.



https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status/1482180531651760128
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Moral of the story.

If you're not constantly adventurous and innovative as a people then you're finished.

Gone. Khatam. Khallas. You have no future. Others will eat you alive.

This goes to what the other user was talking about in the Gentilism thread. Turanists seem to believe that Hindus should embrace their "Faustian" innovativeness to become more adventurous than "Whites"
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Re: Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2023, 01:22:17 am »
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If you're not constantly adventurous and innovative as a people then you're finished.

Unless you wipe out the constantly adventurous and innovative people first. This is the true lesson that should have been learned from the colonial era. What we cannot afford to do is pretend the constantly adventurous and innovative people do not exist or pretend they are not dangerous. But just as wrong is to acknowledge them and then emulate them. The only correct way is to acknowledge them and then destroy them.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2023, 01:39:49 am »
"But just as wrong is to acknowledge them and then emulate them."
That can only happen unless you recognize adventurousness and innovativeness as inferior. But yet here we have this guy not only acknowledging but praising the achievements as "superior".


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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2023, 02:01:59 am »
"recognize adventurousness and innovativeness as inferior."

You should reply on the Twitter thread promoting this idea.



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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2023, 02:16:12 pm »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-the-us-is-willing-to-send-ukraine-cluster-munitions-now/ar-AA1dxdL2

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States has decided to send cluster munitions to Ukraine to help its military push back Russian forces entrenched along the front lines.

The Biden administration is expected to announce on Friday that it will send thousands of them as part of a new military aid package worth $800 million, according to people familiar with the decision who were not authorized to discuss it publicly before the official announcement and spoke on condition of anonymity.
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The move will likely trigger outrage from some allies and humanitarian groups that have long opposed the use of cluster bombs.

Such groups do not understand the principle explained in this topic.

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Proponents argue that Russia has already been using the controversial weapon

These proponents understand the principle explained in this topic.

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The U.S. initially considered cluster bombs an integral part of its arsenal during the invasion of Afghanistan that began in 2001, according to HRW. The group estimated that the U.S.-led coalition dropped more than 1,500 cluster bombs in Afghanistan during the first three years of the conflict.

It is consistent to oppose this but support the current decision.

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In the 1980s, the Russians made heavy use of cluster bombs during their 10-year invasion of Afghanistan. As a result of decades of war, the Afghan countryside remains one of the most heavily mined countries in the world.

This is why.

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During the monthlong 2006 war with Hezbollah, HRW and the United Nations accused Israel of firing as many as 4 million cluster munitions into Lebanon. That left unexploded ordnance that threatens Lebanese civilians to this day.

Homework: should cluster munitions be used against Israel?

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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2023, 11:28:05 pm »
Our enemies accurately understand (and hence dislike) folkish imperialism:

https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2023/08/why-is-the-west-so-weak-and-russia-so-strong-the-role-of-human-capital-and-western-education

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Let’s say there are three companies with combined 100% market share in some sector. There is no real competition between them and everybody can just relax because the customers can’t go anywhere else. These companies can get away with absolute incompetence on most levels, including in management. They don’t need to think about efficiency, safety, productivity or costs, except on their websites and in annual reports.

What our enemies call "incompetence" is what we call ethicality. For example, imagine if these three companies all cared about the environment. They will therefore all agree to not do anything as part of their business that will harm the environment. This will probably mean that productivity/cost is sub-maximal. But so long as none of them deviate from their mutually agreed ethical rule that harming the environment is off-limits, they can stably share the market.

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However, if a competitor with competent employees manages to infiltrate the sector, those three companies will hit a wall. There will be an enormous crisis and one or more of them will most likely go under.

Now imagine a fourth company turning up which does not care about the environment. If allowed to compete against the existing three, it will surely (by being willing to unscrupulously use operational methods that harm the environment) outcompete the existing three by maximizing productivity/cost beyond what the existing three (with their commitment to environmentalism and their consequent operational limitations) are willing to do. This will either cause the existing three ethically superior companies to shut down, or pressure them into also adopting the ethically inferior practices of the newcomer.

The only way the existing three can avoid such a fate is to destroy the newcomer (with the help of the state if necessary). This is what we support, and what our enemies oppose:

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Monopoly and oligopoly is the rule and the main objective of most large western companies is to prevent anyone from infiltrating their sector – usually by bribing regulators or by buying the competition. This is a necessity because a huge number of western companies are now run by incompetent management and staffed by incompetent people

From our enemies' perspective, ethicality is "incompetence" while unethicality is "competence". From a Darwinian perspective they are correct, since the ethical will indeed be outcompeted by the unethical over time:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/exposing-people-with-the-western-darwinian-worldview/

unless the ethical destroy the unethical before we are outcompeted by them. Our enemies know this, which is why they describe describe our pursuit of ethics via folkish imperialism in a negative tone:

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Many people have noticed that meritocracy has been systematically abandoned in the West and the relationship between competence and reward severed in giant swaths of the economy – and almost completely in government. What few people seem to realize is that this is a necessity for the West’s ideological goals to be reached. High-level competence cannot be promoted because it is a threat. It cannot therefore be rewarded.

What they call "meritocracy" is Darwinian meritocracy. (Also, what they call "the West" is actually Counterculturedom.)

What our enemies most fear happening:

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This will get progressively worse and we will soon reach a point where complex systems which underpin society cannot be kept running. That will require some kind of “reset” to a less complex society, with less prosperity of course.

is what are are aiming at.  :)

But we will only succeed if we are willing to practice folkish imperialism with total ruthlessness against those who threaten us with their greater competitiveness consequent to their disregard for ethics:

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IQ and objectivity/independent thinking are somewhat correlated but let’s assume they are not. Let’s say that we have a pool of potentially objective and rational people that is 30% and a pool of people with IQ of 125 that is 5%. That means that the pool of high-level general competence people is 5% of 30%, or 1.5% of the population.

If we are really generous and assume that 50% of the population is objective and rational and an IQ of 115 is sufficient for those jobs, then we have 16% of 50%, which is a pool of 8% of the population.

The importance of this cannot be overstated. This group, whether we define it as 1.5% of the population or 8% of the population, is extremely valuable. This is essentially the only group in society that can reliably evaluate complex situations and make subsequent rational decisions. Without it, modern technological society simply cannot be built or maintained – let alone advanced. Let me rephrase this – if we do not identify and utilize this group, we cannot run our complicated societies except into the ground.

This group must be removed from existence ASAP. Let me rephrase this - if we do not identify and totally exterminate this group, we will end up in:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/

Our enemies accurately point out the demographics of this group:

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A significant number of companies are now specifying which groups will not be hired in their job advertisements. Since they can’t overtly say “we don’t hire smart, independent thinkers” they usually use “white men” as a proxy for that group for some reason. That group is considered to be a particular threat

It is! Who do you think was behind the Industrial Revolution in the first place?

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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2023, 02:51:40 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/adams-goes-latin-america-tour-112914440.html

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Adams maintained the position that the border "should remain open."

"We believe the borders should remain open," Adams told reporters Tuesday. "That's the official position of this city.
But we have made it clear there should be a decompression strategy that we could properly deal with the volumes that's coming into our city, and no cities should have to carry the burden of a nation … of the national government."

Adams intentionally contradicted his chief adviser Ingrid Lewis-Martin, who recently drew criticism from city council members for insisting the U.S. close the southern border.
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Reiterating the city is "at capacity," Adams said at one point about 10,000 migrants were arriving per month, and more recently, the city has recorded an influx of about 600 new migrants a day or about 4,200 new migrants a week.
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Since the migrant crisis began, New York City has opened 210 emergency sites, including 17 other large-scale humanitarian relief centers.

New York has more than done its part. What we need is every US city, town and other settlement doing at least as much for refugees as New York is already doing. But of course rightists are too inferior to see it that way, as seen in their comments:

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So it's please come just dont come to my city !!!!!!

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Yep, come on in but don't come in my backyard.

Refugees should obviously go to the cities which have not yet hosted any refugees! How is this not common sense?!

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what a hypocrite

Adams is the opposite of a hypocrite! He is expects others to do their parts as someone who has already done more than his part! How many more refugees is Adams supposed to host before he can demand others also host refugees?

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I say Texas, Arizona and New Mexico need to double up on the buses, send one an hour.  Doesn't look like NY has learned it's lesson.

Again we are back to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg10902/#msg10902

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In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is justified.

Adams has a mandate to despotically rule all the parts of the US which are not hosting refugees, in order to get them hosting their fair share. This is the key principle that leftists need to learn.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2023, 08:24:24 pm »
Appreciation:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nyc-mayor-residents-puebla-mexico-211729032.html

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NYC mayor to residents of Puebla, Mexico: 'Mi casa es su casa,' but 'there's no more room'
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“We are neighbors. We are familia. Mi casa es su casa. Your struggles are my struggles,” Adams said inside the legislative chamber shortly after state Gov. Sergio Salomón Céspedes dubbed him "Mayor of Puebla York.”

Migrants "are our future and we cannot lose one of them,” Adams said.
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“There is no more room in New York. Our hearts are endless, but our resources are not," he said.

Those whose hearts are endless are those who should be given resources to match (taken from those whose hearts are not endless).

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In his address to Puebla’s state congress earlier, the mayor emphasized the role of New York City’s migrant community during the pandemic. “During COVID-19 it was your children that kept our stores open, the first responders, transportation professionals, healthcare professionals,” he said. “We survived COVID because your children were in our city.”

This point should be mentioned more often.

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After the speeches by Puebla's governor and the city mayor, members of congress began chanting “Adams hermano, ya eres poblano,” a welcome that translates to “Brother Adams, you are already a Pueblan.”

Why are those asking for Biden to drop out of the 2024 election not proposing Adams to replace him?

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