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True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« on: January 29, 2022, 10:43:57 pm »
Mainstream academic accidentally stumbles across the justification for folkish imperialism:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/whack-mole-experts-call-hong-041901476.html

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"Only Hong Kong and China are saying they are trying to eradicate the virus," he said. "It would have worked if other countries did the same but the fact they don’t think that way means the virus is always flowing."

In other words, China would be theoretically justified in invading all non-eradicationist countries, on the condition that it imposes the same eradicationist rules everywhere. It is the non-eradicationist countries preventing the eradication from succeeding, therefore it is justified for the eradicationist countries to invade them. (Similarly, a hypothetical vegan country would be justified in invading all non-vegan countries for the sake of eradicating cruelty to animals, and so on.)

In contrast, wishing to bring progress to additional territories is an invalid reason for invasion. A non-industrial country does not prevent an industrial country from successful industry, therefore the industrial country is unjustified in invading the non-industrial country. A non-compulsory-schooling country does not prevent a compulsory-schooling scountry from successful compulsory schooling, therefore the compulsory-schooling country is unjustified in invading the non-compulsory-schooling country. And so on. (In fact it is the other way round: the non-industrial/non-compulsory-schooling/etc. countries should invade the industrial/compulsory-schooling/etc. countries in order to eradicate industry/compulsory schooling/etc.!)

In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).

Most fundamentally, consider reproduction. Reproducers are not justified in invading non-reproducers, because reproduction will succeed so long as some people reproduce (irrespective of the remainder not reproducing). On the other hand, non-reproducers are justified in invading reproducers, because non-reproduction will only succeed if everyone refrains from reproducing simultaneously.

So, what is the common feature of all ideas that can succeed only if everyone practices them simultaneously, and what is the common feature of all ideas that can succeed with merely a fraction of people practicing them?

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True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2022, 08:34:45 pm »
The False Left opposes imperialism, whereas the True Left only opposes colonialism. Indeed, the True Left is not only not opposed to non-colonial imperialism, but in fact even supports it in cases where it is explicitly anti-colonial. Example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa#:~:text=The%20Annexation%20of%20Goa%20was,the%20%22Liberation%20of%20Goa%22
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The Annexation of Goa was the process in which the Republic of India annexed Estado da India, the then Portuguese Indian territories of Goa, Daman and Diu, starting with the armed action carried out by the Indian Armed Forces in December 1961. In India, this action is referred to as the "Liberation of Goa".
Anti colonial imperialism in modern times could in fact accurately be called Hitlerism.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2022, 10:00:49 pm by rp »

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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2022, 10:17:47 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/msg14085/#msg14085

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Western air conditioners increase total heat(!!!), but merely pumps it outside, thus cooling the inside (at least until eventually the heat outside gets back in).

Non-Western air conditioners do not increase total heat, instead cooling by making heat dissipation more efficient.

It should be obvious which is worse.

more non-Western superiority on display:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweltering-asians-places-where-extreme-211454232.html

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Much of the world right now is dealing with mind-numbing heat. But there are places where such stifling, health-imperiling temperatures are common — and air conditioning isn’t. Asian immigrants from regions where sweltering is the norm have been offering their time-tested advice on how to stay cool without electricity or technology.

In parts of Asia that have long grappled with heat waves, families have developed their own cooling rituals over generations. Some say they have slept on the floor in kitchens, where tile surfaces retain less heat, or spread bamboo mats around the house for the same reason. Others advised wearing lungis, thin cloths tied around the waist, and eating cold seasonal foods like noodles or lassi to help keep the heat at bay.
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Putting a touch of water on each wrist to help cool the body through the veins is a common practice in the villages, said climate expert and United Nations consultant Saad Amer.

At the very least, none of these methods increase total heat, unlike Western air conditioners.

But what happens if non-Westerners use these superior cooling methods while Westerners keep using their inferior Western air conditioners? Answer: the world keeps becoming hotter until eventually even the superior non-Western cooling methods will not work.

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But for vulnerable populations at the forefront of the climate crisis, these measures can only go so far, he added.

When temperatures climb and resources dwindle, simple measures are futile, leaving the world’s most vulnerable “unable to function,” he said.

Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail when others are not also living the same way. We must crush the inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the superior way. This is the same conclusion as we reached here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg10902/#msg10902

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In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).

So when are we going to eradicate Western civiization?

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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2022, 12:20:12 am »
Excellent summary of what happens when non-Yahwists encounter Yahwists:

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China: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
Europe: "I'm taking your stuff now"
China: "How could this happen?! Nothing is broken!"

Let's break it down:

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China: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"

This is the correct approach.

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Europe: "I'm taking your stuff now"

This is Yahweh rewarding those who follow his approach instead.

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China: "How could this happen?! Nothing is broken!"

Because you forgot to first destroy those who cannot resist the temptation to fix what is not broken. As I was saying:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/msg14823/#msg14823

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Just living in a superior way ourselves is doomed to fail when others are not also living the same way. We must crush the inferior first, and only afterwards get back to living in the superior way.

We cannot just be non-Yahwist. We must be anti-Yahwist.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2023, 12:33:55 am »
https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status/1582691839077122048
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I'm Indian from India and I have no problem accepting the superior intellectual achievements of the West over the last 500 years.

Only an idiot or fraud would deny it.
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Terrible caste supremacist ideas being floated by highly well-read people who should know better.
By the same logic, West has a way more compelling case for superiority as they dominated almost every field for 500 yrs while Indians produced very little of substance.



https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status/1482180531651760128
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Moral of the story.

If you're not constantly adventurous and innovative as a people then you're finished.

Gone. Khatam. Khallas. You have no future. Others will eat you alive.

This goes to what the other user was talking about in the Gentilism thread. Turanists seem to believe that Hindus should embrace their "Faustian" innovativeness to become more adventurous than "Whites"
« Last Edit: January 24, 2023, 12:43:00 am by rp »

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Re: Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2023, 01:22:17 am »
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If you're not constantly adventurous and innovative as a people then you're finished.

Unless you wipe out the constantly adventurous and innovative people first. This is the true lesson that should have been learned from the colonial era. What we cannot afford to do is pretend the constantly adventurous and innovative people do not exist or pretend they are not dangerous. But just as wrong is to acknowledge them and then emulate them. The only correct way is to acknowledge them and then destroy them.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2023, 01:39:49 am »
"But just as wrong is to acknowledge them and then emulate them."
That can only happen unless you recognize adventurousness and innovativeness as inferior. But yet here we have this guy not only acknowledging but praising the achievements as "superior".


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Re: True Left breakthrough: folkish imperialism
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2023, 02:01:59 am »
"recognize adventurousness and innovativeness as inferior."

You should reply on the Twitter thread promoting this idea.