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« Reply #105 on: December 04, 2021, 05:29:58 am »
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US rejects calls for regulating or banning ‘killer robots’

US official proposes ‘non-binding code of conduct’ at United Nations but campaigners disagree
US official proposes ‘non-binding code of conduct’ at United Nations but campaigners disagree
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #106 on: December 04, 2021, 05:52:58 am »
We have moved one step closer to permanent enslavement:

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Team builds first living robots—that can reproduce

To persist, life must reproduce. Over billions of years, organisms have evolved many ways of replicating, from budding plants to sexual animals to invading viruses.

Now scientists at the University of Vermont, Tufts University, and the Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering at Harvard University have discovered an entirely new form of biological reproduction—and applied their discovery to create the first-ever, self-replicating living robots.

The same team that built the first living robots (“Xenobots,” assembled from frog cells—reported in 2020) has discovered that these computer-designed and hand-assembled organisms can swim out into their tiny dish, find single cells, gather hundreds of them together, and assemble “baby” Xenobots inside their Pac-Man-shaped “mouth”—that, a few days later, become new Xenobots that look and move just like themselves.

And then these new Xenobots can go out, find cells, and build copies of themselves. Again and again.

“With the right design—they will spontaneously self-replicate,” says Joshua Bongard, Ph.D., a computer scientist and robotics expert at the University of Vermont who co-led the new research.
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People have thought for quite a long time that we’ve worked out all the ways that life can reproduce or replicate. But this is something that’s never been observed before,” says co-author Douglas Blackiston, Ph.D., the senior scientist at Tufts University and the Wyss Institute who assembled the Xenobot “parents” and developed the biological portion of the new study.
By Joshua Brown, University of Vermont Communications (BURLINGTON, Vermont) – To persist, life must reproduce. Over billions of years, organisms have evolved many ways of replicating, from buddin...
Wyss Institute · wyss.harvard.edu



I think the article is overselling things a bit. It seems that the scientists have basically used computer algorithms to arrange already-living cells into patterns, conceptually recreating the self-replicating patterns in this:


Not quite Terminator level, but we are getting exponentially closer to it at each moment.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #107 on: December 04, 2021, 06:14:20 am »
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Brain Implant Translates Paralyzed Man's Thoughts Into Text With 94% Accuracy
A man paralyzed from the neck down due to a spinal cord injury he sustained in 2007 has shown he can communicate his thoughts, thanks to a brain implant system that translates his imagined handwrit...
ScienceAlert · sciencealert.com


This is converting brain signals that control hand movement to convert hand movements for letters into words--not actual mind reading. But we are one step closer to a hell where slavemasters will be able to read our thoughts.

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« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2021, 08:24:40 pm »


Remember: if not for the bloodlines of those like the guy in the background, we would never have had to worry about what is going on in the foreground.

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« Reply #109 on: December 22, 2021, 08:18:15 pm »
Not only will this world become ever more complicated, but virtual worlds will ever more closely resemble this world:



Eventually there will truly be no escape.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #110 on: December 29, 2021, 09:11:59 pm »
Whether this specific post is fake or not, the concerns it raises are very real.

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Last summer, I helped billionaires achieve biological immortality

I'm a 3rd year PhD student and last summer I interned at a startup (Calico) owned by Alphabet, Google's parent company.

The company's mission is to solve aging. My work centered around using cutting edge artificial intelligence (in collaboration DeepMind, another Alphabet company) to control gene regulation and cellular regeneration.

Most people don't realize how close we actually are to achieving biological immortality.
And billionaires are going big into this. Peter Thiel with Unity Biotechnology, Bezos with Altos Labs and many more that aren't publicly known. The technology will also undoubtedly play a big role in space exploration.

If you ever wondered why someone would need so much wealth when you can't spend it in one lifetime, there it is. They plan on spending it in multiple lifetimes.


Meanwhile, the rest of us will live a small miserable life laboring away.

Anti-aging technology shouldn't be reserved for the elite few. We need to seize and make the technology/ research accessible to the public before its too late. Even if they don't live forever forever, extending their lifespans to a few centuries is still scary.

Edit: I'm tired of people defending billionaires and thinking the tech will tickle down to the average person. My whole point in making this post was to raise awareness about why we need to seize the means of research.
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/rlkifx/last_summer_i_helped_billionaires_achieve/

Are you ready to become vampire hunters in a post-apocalyptic wasteland? (As well as hunters of those who work for the vampires).


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An international team led by researchers from the University of Konstanz and Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Germany have employed virtual reality to decode the algorithm that animals use when deciding where to go among many options. The study reveals that animals cope with environmental complexity by reducing the world into a series of sequential two-choice (binary) decisions — a strategy that results in highly effective decision-making no matter how many options there are. The study offers the first evidence yet of a common algorithm that governs decision-making across species and suggests that fundamental geometric principles can explain how, and why, animals move the way they do.
The geometry of decision-making in individuals and collectives.
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The most interesting part is that they somehow put fruit flies in a virtual reality?

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Single-animal immersive VR has been a thing for a few years now. With folks in that lab group definitely pushing the forefront. For example, you can pretty feasibly track a single fish in a bowl and project images in a distorted way that would look real to that fish (think of those big sidewalk chalk murals that rely on perspective, but tracked to your position). They're even working on scaling this sort of stuff up to barn-sized flight hangars for birds and such.
 
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so these animals are literally stuck in the matrix?
https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rldlwg/study_reveals_that_animals_cope_with/hph702l/

...Placing animals in the Matrix so scientists can learn how to design Terminator brains.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2022, 11:45:06 am »
This is a long article, but it is of the utmost importance to read to understand just how close the Demiurge is to winning.

The good news: the scientists interviewed in the article still think they are at least a generation away from being ready to send lifeforms to other solar systems using photonic propulsion.

The bad news: scientists are only a generation away from doing damage which we may never be able to reverse.

The good news: the scientists interviewed claim that the first experiments will not involve colonizing other planets, because they believe the micro-organisms they send will burn up in the atmosphere of other planets.

The bad news: they think that is "ethical" and permissable to proceed.

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Sending tardigrades to the stars

No longer solely in the realm of science fiction, the possibility of interstellar travel has appeared, tantalizingly, on the horizon. Although we may not see it in our lifetimes—at least not some real version of the fictional warp-speeding, hyperdriving, space-folding sort—we are having early conversations of how life could escape the tether of our solar system, using technology that is within reach.

For UC Santa Barbara professors Philip Lubin and Joel Rothman, it's a great time to be alive. Born of a generation that saw breathtaking advances in space exploration, they carry the unbridled optimism and creative spark of the early Space Age, when humans first found they could leave the Earth.

"The Apollo moon voyages were among the most momentous events in my life and contemplating them still blows my mind," said Rothman, a distinguished professor in the Department of Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology, and a self-admitted "space geek."

A mere 50 years have passed since that pivotal era, but humanity's knowledge of space and the technology to explore it have improved immensely, enough for Rothman to join experimental cosmologist Lubin in considering what it would take for living beings to embark on a journey across the vast distance separating us from our nearest neighbor in the galaxy. The result of their collaboration was published in the journal Acta Astronautica.

"I think it's our destiny to keep exploring," Rothman said. "Look at the history of the human species. We explore at smaller and smaller levels down to subatomic levels and we also explore at increasingly larger scales. Such drive toward ceaseless exploration lies at the core of who we are as a species."
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New propulsion technologies are required—and this is where the UCSB directed energy research program of using light as the "propellant" comes in.

"This has never been done before, to push macroscopic objects at speeds approaching the speed of light," said Lubin, a professor in the Department of Physics. Mass is such a huge barrier, in fact, that it rules out any human missions for the foreseeable future.

As a result, his team turned to robots and photonics. Small probes with onboard instrumentation that sense, collect and transmit data back to Earth will be propelled up to 20-30% of the speed of light by light itself using a laser array stationed on Earth, or possibly the moon. "We don't leave home with it," as Lubin explained, meaning the primary propulsion system stays "at home" while spacecraft are "shot out" at relativistic speeds. The main propulsion laser is turned on for a short period of time and then the next probe is readied to be launched.
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The core technology can also be used in a modified mode to propel much larger spacecraft within our solar system at slower speeds, potentially enabling human missions to Mars in as little as one month, stopping included. This is another way of spreading life, but in our solar system.

At these relativistic speeds—roughly 100 million miles per hour—the wafercraft would reach the next solar system, Proxima Centauri, in roughly 20 years. Getting to that level of technology will require continuous innovation and improvement of both the space wafer, as well the photonics, where Lubin sees "exponential growth" in the field. The basic project to develop a roadmap to achieve relativistic flight via directed energy propulsion is supported by NASA and private foundations such as the Starlight program and by the Breakthrough Initiatives as the Starshot program.

"When I learned that the mass of these craft could reach gram levels or larger, it became clear that they could accomodate living animals," said Rothman, who realized that the creatures he'd been studying for decades, called C. elegans, could be the first Earthlings to travel between the stars.
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Thousands of these tiny creatures could be placed on a wafer, put in suspended animation, and flown in that state until reaching the desired destination. They could then be wakened in their tiny StarChip and precisely monitored for any detectable effects of interstellar travel on their biology, with the observations relayed to Earth by photonic communication.

"We can ask how well they remember trained behavior when they're flying away from their eathly origin at near the speed of light, and examine their metabolism, physiology, neurological function, reproduction and aging," Rothman added. "Most experiments that can be conducted on these animals in a lab can be performed onboard the StarChips as they whiz through the cosmos."
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Of course, being able to send humans to interstellar space is great for movies, but in reality is still a far away dream. By the time we get to that point we may have created more suitable life forms or hybrid human-machines that are more resilient.

"This is a generational program," Lubin said. Scientists of coming generations ideally will contribute to our knowledge of interstellar space and its challenges, and enhance the design of the craft as technology improves. With the primary propulsion system being light, the underlying technology is on an exponential growth curve, much like electronics with a "Moore's Law" like expanding capability.

Planetary protection and extraterrestrial propagation

We're bound to our solar system for the forseeable future; humans are fragile and delicate away from our home planet. But that hasn't stopped Lubin, Rothman, their research teams and their diverse collaborators, which include a radiation specialist and a science-trained theologian, to contemplate both the physiological and ethical aspects of sending life to space—and perhaps even propagating life in space.

"There are the ethics," Lubin explained, "of planetary protection," in which serious thought is given to the possibility of contamination, either from our planet to others or vice versa. "I think if you started talking about directed propagation of life, which is sometimes called panspermia—this idea that life came from elsewhere and ended up on the earth by comets and other debris, or even intentionally from another civilization—the idea that we would purposefully send out life does bring up big questions."

So far, the authors contend, there is no risk of forward contamination, as the probes nearing any other planet would burn up in their atmosphere or be obliterated in the collision with the surface. Because the wafercraft are on a one-way trip, there's no risk that any extraterrestrial microbes will return to Earth.
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"Some people have mused and published on ideas such as 'is the universe a lab experiment from some advanced civilization,'" Lubin said. "So people are certainly willing to think about advanced civilizations. Questions are good but answers are better. Right now we simply ponder these questions without the answers yet."

Another issue currently being contemplated in the wider space exploration community: What are the ethics of sending humans to Mars and other distant places knowing they may never come home? What about sending out small micro-organisms or human DNA? These existential inquiries are as old as the first human migrations and seafaring voyages, the answers to which will likely come the moment we're ready to take these journeys.

"I think we shouldn't, and won't, suppress the exploratory yearning that is intrinsic to our nature," Rothman said.
No longer solely in the realm of science fiction, the possibility of interstellar travel has appeared, tantalizingly, on the horizon. Although we may not see it in our lifetimes—at least not some...
phys.org



This must be stopped at all costs. Even a Terminator trapped on Earth can be destroyed, but once lifeforms get transported to other solar systems and galaxies, the only thing we can do is pray they died or that the solar system does not have the correct conditions for those organisms to evolve into more complex lifeforms.

en.wikipedia.org

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2022, 08:38:14 pm »
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"I think we shouldn't, and won't, suppress the exploratory yearning that is intrinsic to our nature," Rothman said.

Who is "our"? The first step is to clarify that Rothman (Jew?) does not speak for anyone other than Westerners. But too many non-Westerners, despite themselves not having the exploratory yearning, have been cowed by their Western education into believing that the exploratory yearning is an admirable thing to have, and thus are unwilling to admit in public that they themselves do not have it! This then allows Rothman to talk as though everyone has it and hence that he is speaking for everyone!

We must let people know that not having the exploratory yearning is something that we should be proud of, and that Westerners are inferior precisely because they have the strongest exploratory yearning of all people in history.

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« Reply #113 on: February 04, 2022, 08:12:57 pm »


Note the bloodlines of the machinists. If not for these bloodlines, we would never have had this problem. If we want to end this problem, we must eliminate these bloodlines.


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« Reply #114 on: February 10, 2022, 08:01:50 pm »
****:



More energy means more Western civilization.

Again, note the bloodlines of the machinists without whom none of this would have been happening. These are the bloodlines that must be eliminated ASAP.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #115 on: February 14, 2022, 06:51:13 am »
From December 2019:

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Chinese scientist who produced genetically altered babies sentenced to 3 years in jail

He Jiankui, the Chinese researcher who stunned the world last year by announcing he had helped produce genetically edited babies, has been found guilty of conducting "illegal medical practices" and sentenced to 3 years in prison.

A court in Shenzhen found that He and two collaborators forged ethical review documents and misled doctors into unknowingly implanting gene-edited embryos into two women, according to Xinhua, China's state-run press agency.
https://www.science.org/content/article/chinese-scientist-who-produced-genetically-altered-babies-sentenced-3-years-jail

He should have been executed. Such a short sentence is just going to encourage others to try it--especially in Western nations who lack the interest in giving prison sentences to even the most corrupt criminals. China has even executed billionaires before, so why not this guy?

Genetic improvement is not inherently a bad thing, but having rogue scientists go ahead with personal experiments like this because they think the establishment is holding back "progress"--that is a terrible thing.

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« Reply #116 on: February 19, 2022, 08:17:32 pm »
How Westerners think:

Privatising the Moon is the next bright idea to help wipe out poverty on Earth, economists say.According to a strange report by neoliberal think tank the Adam Smith Institute, the satellite should ...
indy100 · indy100.com


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Privatising the Moon is the next bright idea to help wipe out poverty on Earth, economists say.

According to a strange report by neoliberal think tank the Adam Smith Institute, the satellite should be divided into parcels of land and assigned to different countries to rent out to businesses, boosting the economy.

The economists also reckon this would boost space tourism, exploration and discovery.
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"Such a system would incentivise responsible stewardship of space as well as opportunities for new scientific discovery and democratised space exploration.’’

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Jeff Bezos is looking to defy death – this is what we know about the science of ageing

Jeff Bezos is on a mission to conquer ageing. He has just recruited Hal Barron from GlaxoSmithKline to help lead Altos Labs, the ambitious new anti-ageing company with billions of investment. So what does science really say about this? Could we beat ageing?
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Of course, nobody knows whether Bezos’s company can succeed in helping extend the human lifespan. But what is clear is that by studying ageing, exciting new discoveries are bound to emerge.
Amazon founder is funding a biotechnology startup that is looking to reverse ageing.
The Conversation · theconversation.com


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The last thing we need are people like bezos and the ultra wealthy to live even longer...

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We need to go the ancient China route and convince them ingesting jade and mercury will make them immortal.

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Exactly.

If there's ONE justice in this world... is that we all die.

We dont want the 0.1% to live forever. No no no.

Bezos. When your time comes. You die. Like everyone else.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyx94k1/

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His wealth, if left to compound for 300 years, would be a 9 with 23 zeroes behind it.

$900,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyx9ihz/

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Whats worse than Jeff Bezos? An immortal Jeff Bezos.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyxj3ax/


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Holy... Almost everyone out here are so against the reversing aging. All of you really want to be old, crippled, dimed, congitive declined? Like you really want to suffer and die? Just because someone is wealthy and you're not?

For me everyone should benefit from it and possible be using it. The aging and death are both worth suffering the people can witness. Ultimetly we should work towards to stop those.

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Nah 100 years and I'll be sick of this ****.

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We can't even some **** healthcare now. Do you really think these rich **** are gonna share any breakthroughs with the masses or people that don't have money?

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No I want to die when I get to that point. Not linger in it. I don’t see death as the boogie man like most people do though.

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Reading these replies genuinely disgusted the **** out of me. People are so overrun with envy in their pathetic, weak lives that they would doom themselves & all of humanity if it meant they could feel a sense of moral high-ground.

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Doom all of humanity? It's just death and aging, literally the most natural aspect of life. Just because you're more terrified of it than we are doesn't mean that we are **** in the head. Lol.

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Lmao worship power more


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What's interesting is that if natural death at ~80-100 stops being a thing, it will completely upheave modern moral and social systems, just as the industrial revolution did. Especially if everyone gets to share in this, not just the rich. Inevitable IMO. Every rich people technology diffuses downwards over time, until even poor people have it. This applies to everything from commercial air travel to medicines.

So many institutions have natural and inevitable death at this age as a basic assumption. Political, social and economic institutions all depend on this assumption.

Imagine if people started living til 400-800 instead of around 80-100.

Childbearing will be transformed. It currently takes 25% of lifespan to reach adulthood. Imagine if only 3% of your lifespan was childhood. Childhood will become a tiny part of life. The economy and social structure will be transformed - few teachers for kids, many for adult learning. The nuclear family structure will be demolished, as minors no longer occupy a central position in the family structure.

Copyright lasts up to xx years after the author's death. This does not work if authors expect to live for 800 years.

Life imprisonment become utterly impracticable. Morality aside, the government cannot even financially afford to keep large numbers of people in prison for 500 years each.

The world of uneducated vs educated labour will be massively shaken. It will be worthwhile to spend 4 years studying to get even as little as a 5% increase in lifetime salary.

People will have the ability to have multiple fully-skilled, fully-developed careers throughout life. You could attain extremely high proficiency in many, many fields in a 500-year working lifespan.

Views towards environmental sustainability will be massively shifted. The average voting adult has only 30 more years to live. If it were instead 300 more years to live, people would be a lot less nonchalant about climate change and environmental desteuction.

Everything we currently know about society will be transformed into a new world.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyxhwa0/

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I suggest y'all stop speculating and have a look at the SENS Foundation.

Those people have been doing the grunt work on aging for decades now.

Aubrey de Grey is quite optimistic about it.


Pitch in. Longer lives are achievable, and better.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyx6hd2/

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For me everyone should benefit from it and possible be using it.

This guy is the communist that I was talking about here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/ancient-candidates-for-socialism/msg11706/#msg11706

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they will spend their energy trying to increase luxury as much as possible while rigorously avoiding uneven distribution of luxury.

Continuing:

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It's just death and aging, literally the most natural aspect of life. Just because you're more terrified of it than we are doesn't mean that we are **** in the head. Lol.

I worry that this guy would probably also say that birth is another natural aspect of life, as if that makes reproduction acceptable. Actually, terror of death and aging should be validated, but as one more reason to not reproduce.

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Imagine if only 3% of your lifespan was childhood. Childhood will become a tiny part of life.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9843/#msg9843

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To us, immortality means endlessly moving further away from childhood. The greater the quantity of new experiences we keep accumulating (which would be guaranteed under immortality within time), proportionately the more remote and less important our childhood will inevitably become to our boundlessly adulterating consciousness. Temporal immortality is guaranteed obliteration of Original Nobility via sheer exhaustion.

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Not only will this world become ever more complicated, but virtual worlds will ever more closely resemble this world:



Eventually there will truly be no escape.
If sentient machines/virtual reality is fully realized, then eliminating the bloodlines will be fruitless. There is no other option than an apocalyptic scenario where everything is destroyed, but even then, there is the possibility of abiogenesis. What is the solution in this case?