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If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« on: July 04, 2020, 03:58:50 am »
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Let us not underestimate how big a nightmare we could potentially be approaching if we as a world continue down the current track:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

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According to the most popular version of the singularity hypothesis, called intelligence explosion, an upgradable intelligent agent (such as a computer running software-based artificial general intelligence) would enter a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, with each new and more intelligent generation appearing more and more rapidly, causing an intelligence explosion and resulting in a powerful superintelligence that would, qualitatively, far surpass all human intelligence.
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The concept and the term "singularity" were popularized by Vernor Vinge in his 1993 essay The Coming Technological Singularity, in which he wrote that it would signal the end of the human era, as the new superintelligence would continue to upgrade itself and would advance technologically at an incomprehensible rate. He wrote that he would be surprised if it occurred before 2005 or after 2030.[7]

Four polls, conducted in 2012 and 2013, suggested that the median estimate was a 50% chance that artificial general intelligence (AGI) would be developed by 2040–2050.[8][9]
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Such an AI is referred to as Seed AI[14][15] because if an AI were created with engineering capabilities that matched or surpassed those of its human creators, it would have the potential to autonomously improve its own software and hardware or design an even more capable machine. This more capable machine could then go on to design a machine of yet greater capability. These iterations of recursive self-improvement could accelerate, potentially allowing enormous qualitative change before any upper limits imposed by the laws of physics or theoretical computation set in.
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Kurzweil claims that technological progress follows a pattern of exponential growth, following what he calls the "law of accelerating returns". Whenever technology approaches a barrier, Kurzweil writes, new technologies will surmount it. He predicts paradigm shifts will become increasingly common, leading to "technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history".[38] Kurzweil believes that the singularity will occur by approximately 2045.[39]

Western civilization is solely responsible for this. None of the other historical civilizations could have landed us in such a predicament even if they had continued running uninterrupted for any number of millenia.

The only reliable way to prevent the singularity is to kill Western civilization while its primary bearers are still human. As soon as Western civilization passes to a sufficiently powerful AI, it will become even harder to kill than it currently is. On the other hand, if we can eliminate its human bearers before such an AI is created, we drastically reduce the likelihood of such an AI ever being created, and more broadly will overthrow Kurzweil's "law of accelerating returns" (which describes only a world in which the Western mentality is taken for granted).

WESTERN CIVILIZATION MUST DIE..... preferably before 2045.

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www.jpost.com/Diaspora/How-Jewish-day-schools-are-now-minting-future-engineers-592583

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some 478 projects on display at a recent annual fair for students from Jewish high schools to demonstrate their prowess in engineering and design.

More than 1,450 students participated from 44 schools in states including New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Texas. The Modern Orthodox Frisch School in Paramus, New Jersey, which Sadinoff attends, has its own engineering department and was among the largest represented at the fair.
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The New Jersey fair — the eighth annual Innovation Day run by the Center for Initiatives in Jewish Education, or CIJE — was remarkable not just for the breadth of science and engineering projects, but for the diversity of Jewish participants: Students came from single-sex Orthodox yeshivas, pluralistic community day schools, Modern Orthodox schools, Reform schools and Solomon Schechter schools, which are affiliated with the Conservative movement.
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The Innovation Day is one of several for Jewish day schools across the country. Others will take place this year in Chicago, Los Angeles, Baltimore and Boca Raton, Florida. The May 19 fair was held at Bell Works in Holmdel, New Jersey, the site of the former Bell Labs, where innovations such as the binary computer, transistor and touch-tone telephone were invented.

The crowds in the auditorium were a sign of the growing seriousness with which Jewish day schools are investing in the STEM fields: science, technology, math and engineering. More than 170 Jewish schools from across the denominational spectrum and in 16 states participate in STEM-oriented programs supported by the Center for Initiatives in Jewish Education.
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This article was sponsored by and produced in partnership with the Avi Chai Foundation, which is committed to the perpetuation of the Jewish people, Judaism and the centrality of the State of Israel to the Jewish people. In North America, the foundation works to advance the Jewish day school and overnight summer camp fields. This article was produced by JTA’s native content team.

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How Westerners think:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7266917/Astronomer-Royal-cyborg-astronauts-make-great-leap.html

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I never look at the Moon without being reminded of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and of the day, 50 years ago today, when they left their first footprints on its dusty surface.
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Hundreds more people have ventured into space since the Apollo missions — but, anti-climactically, they have done no more than circle the Earth in low orbit mostly in the International Space Station (ISS).

These voyages aren't inspiring in the way that the pioneering Russian and U.S. space exploits were.
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Will there be a time when no human has first-hand memory of standing on another world?

Along with millions of others, I'd be saddened if human exploration of space faded into history.
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The space environment is inherently hostile for humans. Being ill-adapted to their new habitat, the pioneer Martian explorers will have a more compelling incentive than those of us on Earth to redesign themselves. They'll harness powerful genetic and cyborg technologies that will be developed in coming decades.
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We should wish them good luck in modifying their progeny to adapt to alien environments.

It's these space-faring adventurers, not those of us comfortably adapted to life on Earth, who will spearhead the post-human era.
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Organic creatures need a planetary surface environment, but if post-humans make the transition to inorganic (electronic) intelligences, they won't need an atmosphere. And they may prefer zero-g (zero gravity), especially for constructing extensive but lightweight habitats.

So it's in deep space, not on Earth, or even on Mars, that non-biological brains may develop powers that humans can't imagine.
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The outcome of this 'secular intelligent design' could spread through our galaxy, and surpass humans by as much as we (intellectually) surpass slime mould.

If Western civilization had never existed, none of the above would even be an issue.

Slime mould > Westerners

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At least some people are beginning to get it:
www.thenation.com/article/apollo-space-lunar-rockets-colonialism/

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Graphs of Western civilization:







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www.express.co.uk/news/science/1194067/brain-medical-breakthrough-science-news-organoid-human-brain-function

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Blob-like brains created in lab could have ‘thoughts’ and are ‘suffering’, scientists warn

MINIATURE brains which have been grown in the lab could have some form of consciousness and could be suffering as a result, scientists have worryingly claimed.
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The blobs of tissue are made from stem cells, and some have been noted to produce spontaneous brainwaves, something which can be seen in forming babies, and could be a sign that these blob-like brains are developing consciousness, or even self-awareness.
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“We’re already seeing activity in organoids that is reminiscent of biological activity in developing animals.”

In an accompanying research paper, the scientists stated: "The compositional and causal features in these cultures are – by design – often very similar to naturally occurring neural substrates.

"Recent developments in organoid research also entail that the anatomical substrates are now approaching local network organisation and larger structures found in sentient animals.

"Current organoid research is perilously close to crossing this ethical Rubicon and may have already done so.”

As I have said, Westerners are created in the image of Yahweh.

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How Google's Calico aims to fight aging and "solve death":
www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/tech/innovation/google-calico-aging-death/index.html

Need I remind anyone that Google is owned by Larry Page (Jew) and Sergey Brin (Jew)?

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Trump Signs Order Prioritizing Artificial Intelligence Research

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8WWJSSFnNo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQHCSZQvv0

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The monologue reads like a comedy spoof, but unfortunately is being serious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ud7wgbBBnY

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https://www.businessinsider.com/prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-85-hours-in-the-future-2014-3

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Future biotechnology could be used to trick a prisoner's mind into thinking they have served a 1,000 year sentence, a group of scientists have claimed.
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"There are a number of psychoactive drugs that distort people’s sense of time, so you could imagine developing a pill or a liquid that made someone feel like they were serving a 1,000-year sentence," she said.

A second scenario would be to upload human minds to computers to speed up the rate at which the mind works, she wrote on her blog .

"If the speed-up were a factor of a million, a millennium of thinking would be accomplished in eight and a half hours... Uploading the mind of a convicted criminal and running it a million times faster than normal would enable the uploaded criminal to serve a 1,000 year sentence in eight-and-a-half hours. This would, obviously, be much cheaper for the taxpayer than extending criminals’ lifespans to enable them to serve 1,000 years in real time."

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This shows time is merely a perception. On the other hand, this technology could be useful to us to devise cost efficient punishments for enemies of the state.....

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Why would we want to upload our enemies' minds onto computers? Anything which can be uploaded can be copied endlessly so long as there is somewhere to save it, making it extremely difficult to fully destroy. Do we not have enough problems already?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lawnmower_Man_(film)

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I was referring to the first scenario. I agree that the computer option is too risky.

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It is dangerous even to let our enemies think for a subjective 1000 years compressed into a few hours from our frame of reference. Imagine how much new stuff they could come up with from all this thinking that could help them defeat us!

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2020, 12:07:19 am »
Who did not see this coming?

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/white-artificial-intelligence-risks-exacerbating-racial-inequality-study-suggests-12043491

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Researchers suggested machines have distinct racial identities and this perpetuates "real world" racial stereotypes.
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The experts analysed recent research from a range of fields, including Human-Computer Interaction and Critical Race Theory, to demonstrate that machines can be "racialised", and that this perpetuates "real world" racial biases.

This includes work on how robots are seen to have distinct racial identities, with black robots receiving more online abuse
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"People trust AI to make decisions. Cultural depictions foster the idea that AI is less fallible than humans."
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"In cases where these systems are racialised as white, that could have dangerous consequences for humans that are not," she said.

Aside from my opposition to AI altogether, I have warned specifically that present-day society is not on an ethical level anywhere near ready to develop AI safely. Even if (for the sake of argument) we insisted upon developing AI at some point, we should definitely not have begun to do so at least until we have totally eliminated racism (and for that matter all tribalism) from society. Otherwise almost guarantees that the AI (which by definition is allowed to learn by itself) will quickly learn it from society and replicate or even expand on its applications.

But when has Western civilization ever cared about making sure people are ethically ready for a new machine before inventing it?
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2020, 09:01:26 pm »
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Aside from my opposition to AI altogether, I have warned specifically that present-day society is not on an ethical level anywhere near ready to develop AI safely. Even if (for the sake of argument) we insisted upon developing AI at some point, we should definitely not have begun to do so at least until we have totally eliminated racism (and for that matter all tribalism) from society. Otherwise almost guarantees that the AI (which by definition is allowed to learn by itself) will quickly learn it from society and replicate or even expand on its applications.

But when has Western civilization ever cared about making sure people are ethically ready for a new machine before inventing it?

Such a great point!

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2020, 11:44:29 pm »
Our enemies again take time to remind us how Westerners think:

https://www.counter-currents.com/2020/08/lovely-dark-deep-the-farthest-voyager-in-space/

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I suspect most people have particular topics that affect them profoundly and cause a welling up of emotion that most other people would find a bit strange. For me, the topic is space probes.
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Maybe my reaction had to do with the fact that this machine, alone and hundreds of millions of miles from earth, had more value in terms of knowledge — was somehow more essentially human — than the vast majority of the globe’s population would ever be. ... There isn’t much to be proud of when we survey the current state-of-affairs in our society, but I think space exploration would earn us at least an approving nod from our ancestors. These little explorers are examples of the quintessential spirit of restless Western man that drives him to discover more, to risk all for the future, to go “the farthest.”
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Most people who have heard of Voyager know the mission for its famed “Golden Record,” a golden-plated phonograph disk encoded with images, sounds, and music from Earth, meant to represent the “diversity” of its history and cultures to any extraterrestrials who happened upon either of the two craft. ... they could have left off the obscure African and Asian greetings in favor of a sonata or Shakespearean sonnet. We wanted to put our best foot forward, yes? Not all cultures and peoples had earned equal rights to speak to space aliens.

Again, the above is not satire.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2020, 11:57:48 pm »
Elon Musk's plan to colonize Mars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSv0Y7qrzQM

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2020, 01:11:01 am »
"Elon Musk's plan to colonize Mars:"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

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His childhood reading included Isaac Asimov's Foundation series from which he drew the lesson that "you should try to take the set of actions that are likely to prolong civilization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov

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Asimov was born in Petrovichi, Russia,[19] on an unknown date between October 4, 1919, and January 2, 1920, inclusive. Asimov celebrated his birthday on January 2.[a]

Asimov's parents were Anna Rachel (née Berman) and Judah Asimov, a family of Russian-Jewish millers. He was named Isaac after his mother's father, Isaac Berman.[20] Asimov wrote of his father, "My father, for all his education as an Orthodox Jew, was not Orthodox in his heart", noting that "he didn't recite the myriad prayers prescribed for every action, and he never made any attempt to teach them to me".[21]
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Asimov did, however, continue to identify himself as a secular Jew, as stated in his introduction to Jack Dann's anthology of Jewish science fiction, Wandering Stars: "I attend no services and follow no ritual and have never undergone that curious puberty rite, the Bar Mitzvah. It doesn't matter. I am Jewish."[243]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_series

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To implement his plan, Seldon creates the Foundations—two groups of scientists and engineers settled at opposite ends of the galaxy—to preserve the spirit of science and civilization, and thus become the cornerstones of the new galactic empire.

See also:

http://aryanism.net/blog/other/racial-jewishness-archive-from-true-left-forum/

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2020, 02:46:35 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/human-ageing-process-biologically-reversed-153921785.html

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Scientists in Israel showed they could turn back the clock in two key areas of the body believed to be responsible for the frailty and ill-health that comes with growing older.

As people age, the protective caps at the ends of chromosomes – called telomeres – shorten, causing DNA to become damaged and cells to stop replicating. At the same time, "zombie" senescent cells build up in the body, preventing regeneration.

Increasing telemere length and getting rid of senescent cells is the focus of many anti-ageing studies, and drugs are being developed to target those areas.

Now scientists at Tel Aviv University have shown that giving pure oxygen to older people while in a hyperbaric chamber increased the length of their telomeres by 20 per cent, a feat that has never been achieved before.

Scientists said the growth may mean that the telomeres of trial participants were now as long as they had been 25 years earlier.

The therapy also reduced senescent cells by up to 37 per cent, making way for new healthy cells to regrow. Animal studies have shown that removing senescent cells extends remaining life by more than one third.

"Since telomere shortening is considered the 'Holy Grail' of the biology of ageing, many pharmacological and environmental interventions are being extensively explored in the hopes of enabling telomere elongation," said Professor Shai Efrati of the Faculty of Medicine and Sagol School of Neuroscience at Tel Aviv University.

"The significant improvement of telomere length shown during and after these unique protocols provides the scientific community with a new foundation of understanding that ageing can indeed be targeted and reversed at the basic cellular-biological level."

If we do not hurry up with destroying Israel, Jews will become immortal.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2020, 05:02:43 am »
Truth about space debris:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itdYS9XF4a0

Thankfully, there is no biosphere to pollute and destroy in space, but the possible impact of debris (due to excessive space exploration) could destroy crucial communications satellites and allow enemy states (e.g. Israel) to sabotage us. The solution of course is not to send more satellites, but to ensure countries conducting space exploration cease to exist, so that eventually the need for satellites itself will disappear.
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2020, 09:08:18 pm »
Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready
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Emerging bio-, nano-, and cyber-technologies are enabling criminals to target anyone anywhere and, due to democratization, increasingly at scale.

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In The Future of Violence, Benjamin Wittes and Gabriella Blum discuss a disturbing hypothetical scenario. A lone actor in Nigeria, “home to a great deal of spamming and online fraud activity,” tricks women and teenage girls into downloading malware that enables him to monitor and record their activity, for the purposes of blackmail. The real story involved a California man who the FBI eventually caught and sent to prison for six years, but if he had been elsewhere in the world he might have gotten away with it. Many countries, as Wittes and Blum note, “have neither the will nor the means to monitor cybercrime, prosecute offenders, or extradite suspects to the United States.”

Technology is, in other words, enabling criminals to target anyone anywhere and, due to democratization, increasingly at scale. Emerging bio-, nano-, and cyber-technologies are becoming more and more accessible. The political scientist Daniel Deudney has a word for what can result: “omniviolence.” The ratio of killers to killed, or “K/K ratio,” is falling. For example, computer scientist Stuart Russell has vividly described how a small group of malicious agents might engage in omniviolence: “A very, very small quadcopter, one inch in diameter can carry a one-or two-gram shaped charge,” he says. “You can order them from a drone manufacturer in China. You can program the code to say: ‘Here are thousands of photographs of the kinds of things I want to target.’ A one-gram shaped charge can punch a hole in nine millimeters of steel, so presumably you can also punch a hole in someone’s head. You can fit about three million of those in a semi-tractor-trailer. You can drive up I-95 with three trucks and have 10 million weapons attacking New York City. They don’t have to be very effective, only 5 or 10% of them have to find the target.” Manufacturers will be producing millions of these drones, available for purchase just as with guns now, Russell points out, “except millions of guns don’t matter unless you have a million soldiers. You need only three guys to write the program and launch.” In this scenario, the K/K ratio could be perhaps 3/1,000,000, assuming a 10-percent accuracy and only a single one-gram shaped charge per drone.

    Will emerging technologies make the state system obsolete? It’s hard to see why not.

That’s completely—and horrifyingly—unprecedented. The terrorist or psychopath of the future, however, will have not just the Internet or drones—called “slaughterbots” in this video from the Future of Life Institute—but also synthetic biology, nanotechnology, and advanced AI systems at their disposal. These tools make wreaking havoc across international borders trivial, which raises the question: Will emerging technologies make the state system obsolete? It’s hard to see why not. What justifies the existence of the state, English philosopher Thomas Hobbes argued, is a “social contract.” People give up certain freedoms in exchange for state-provided security, whereby the state acts as a neutral “referee” that can intervene when people get into disputes, punish people who steal and murder, and enforce contracts signed by parties with competing interests.

The trouble is that if anyone anywhere can attack anyone anywhere else, then states will become—and are becoming—unable to satisfy their primary duty as referee. It’s a trend toward anarchy, “the war of all against all,” as Hobbes put it—in other words a condition of everyone living in constant fear of being harmed by their neighbors. Indeed, in a recent paper, “The Vulnerable World Hypothesis,” published in Global Policy, the Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom argues that the only way to defend against a global catastrophe is to employ a universal and invasive surveillance system, what he calls a “High-tech Panopticon.” Sound dystopian? It sure does to me. “Creating and operating the High-tech Panopticon would require substantial investment,” Bostrom writes, “but thanks to the falling price of cameras, data transmission, storage, and computing, and the rapid advances in AI-enabled content analysis, it may soon become both technologically feasible and affordable.” Bostrom is well-aware of the downsides—corrupt actors in a state could exploit this surveillance for totalitarian ends, or hackers could blackmail unsuspecting victims. Yet the fact is that it may still be a better option than suffering one global catastrophe after another.

How can societies counterattack omniviolence? One strategy could be a superintelligent machine—essentially, an extremely powerful algorithm—that’s specifically designed to govern fairly. We could then put the algorithm in political charge and, insofar as it governs as something like a “Philosopher King,” not worry constantly about the data collected being misused or abused. Of course, this is a fantastical proposal. Even the real-world use of AI in the justice system is fraught with problems. But at this point, do we have a better idea for preventing the collapse of the state system under the weight of widespread technological empowerment?

Perhaps a completely new idea will emerge that can preserve the current system—if we even want it preserved. Or perhaps emerging technologies won’t empower people as much as I and others anticipate. It could be that offensive technologies will actually lag behind defensive technologies, making it very difficult to execute a successful attack. It could also be that before omniviolence and democratization undercut the state, civilization collapses because of climate change-linked stressors like lethal heatwaves, megadroughts, coastal flooding, rising sea-levels, melting glaciers and polar ice caps, desertification, food supply disruptions, disease outbreaks, biodiversity loss, species extinctions, and mass migrations. If we ended up living as hunter-gatherers again, the main worry would be sticks and stones, not designer pathogens and artificial intelligence.

Civilization is an experiment. We may not get the results we’re expecting. So humanity would do well to hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/omniviolence-is-coming-and-the-world-isn-t-ready?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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Why We Should Think Twice About Colonizing Space
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To be sure, humanity will eventually need to escape Earth to survive, since the sun will make the planet uninhabitable in about 1 billion years. But for many “space expansionists,” escaping Earth is about much more than dodging the bullet of extinction: it’s about realizing astronomical amounts of value by exploiting the universe’s vast resources to create something resembling utopia. For example, the astrobiologist Milan Cirkovic calculates that some 1046 people per century could come into existence if we were to colonize our Local Supercluster, Virgo. This leads Nick Bostrom to argue that failing to colonize space would be tragic because it would mean that these potential “worthwhile lives” would never exist, and this would be morally bad.

But would these trillions of lives actually be worthwhile? Or would colonization of space lead to a dystopia?

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In other words, natural selection and cyborgization as humanity spreads throughout the cosmos will result in species diversification. At the same time, expanding across space will also result in ideological diversification. Space-hopping populations will create their own cultures, languages, governments, political institutions, religions, technologies, rituals, norms, worldviews, and so on. As a result, different species will find it increasingly difficult over time to understand each other’s motivations, intentions, behaviors, decisions, and so on. It could even make communication between species with alien languages almost impossible. Furthermore, some species might begin to wonder whether the proverbial “Other” is conscious. This matters because if a species Y cannot consciously experience pain, then another species X might not feel morally obligated to care about Y. After all, we don’t worry about kicking stones down the street because we don’t believe that rocks can feel pain. Thus, as I write in the paper, phylogenetic and ideological diversification will engender a situation in which many species will be “not merely aliens to each other but, more significantly, alienated from each other.”

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Human beings have made many catastrophically bad decisions in the past. Some of these outcomes could have been avoided if only the decision-makers had deliberated a bit more about what could go wrong—i.e., had done a “premortem” analysis. We are in that privileged position right now with respect to space colonization. Let’s not dive head-first into waters that turn out to be shallow.
http://nautil.us/blog/-why-we-should-think-twice-about-colonizing-space