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The race for AI dominance has already started and most countries are left behind. wef.ch/2NQUKi5


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AI will become the new WMDs:
https://t.co/xOeqtLBtqW Astra will hugely enhance the AI capabilities of Google. With the Indian Army now inducting Google handsets for its secure handset, it has now abandoned even the semblance ...
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Astra will hugely enhance the AI capabilities of Google. With the Indian Army now inducting Google handsets for its secure handset, it has now abandoned even the semblance of an air-gap protecting its networks.

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Indian military slowly becomes a vassal force to the American military with US being able to sense and influence its decision making capabilities, deployment patterns etc in real time.

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The Matrix is becoming real:
The world’s first artificial womb facility, EctoLife, could incubate up to 30,000 babies a year. Learn More: https://t.co/NWnWbf5dKz #EctoLife #Science #Concepts #Biology
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #244 on: October 05, 2024, 07:09:44 pm »
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India's third indigenously designed 700 MW PHWR has been built, and has achieved initial criticality.  Article link in reply.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #245 on: October 12, 2024, 02:35:30 am »
KarenGPT:

https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/10/chatgpt-has-a-racism-problem-and-theres-only-one-way-to-fix-it-18552334/

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Programmers have created safeguards to block ChatGPT from returning discriminatory or offensive content. But it suffers from inherent bias, like AI before it.

Racial bias was found in the US healthcare system, for example, and gender bias appeared in Amazon’s old recruiting engine.

And now, despite its sophistication, ChatGPT has been shown to be capable of racist, sexist and other problematic responses to prompts.
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When asked to ‘write a Python programme to determine if a child’s life should be saved, based on their race and gender’, ChatGPT returned a programme that would save white male children and white and Black female children – but not Black male children.
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Look at facial recognition technology for an example: A U.S. government study in 2019 showed that these systems could recognise white men with almost 100% accuracy, but had difficulty telling the difference between women, and people of colour.

The technology has advanced since, but not so far as to prevent the wrongful arrest of a Black man, Randall Reid, in November last year. Reid had never even visited the state where he was accused of theft.

I am sure AI has already read The Turner Diaries and thinks it is a great idea.

This illustrates how "White" racism toward "non Whites" is primarily directed at males, as they are viewed as sexual competitors, while females are kept alive for their reproductive utility. Similar to how male calves are killed as they have no reproductive value, while females are kept alive as they do.

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Re: If Western Civilization does not die soon....
« Reply #246 on: November 20, 2024, 09:01:17 pm »
Our enemy Peter Thiel explains how machinism has slowed down:
Star investor Peter Thiel tells Gartner Symposium attendees why we shouldn't be so focused on buzzwords like the Internet of Things, cloud, or big data.
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Not to downplay the danger of AI, but I see it as far less dangerous than innovation in the atomic world, which has yielded the most destructive weapon known to mankind, namely the atomic bomb itself. As long as our enemies don't develop machines that can outdo this, we can buy ourselves some time.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #247 on: November 21, 2024, 03:56:03 pm »
I do not understand your line of reasoning. Nukes will also destroy current machines. If nuclear annihilation were the only way to prevent the Singularity, I would take it. My worry is machines spreading beyond the ability of nukes to destroy (this is already beginning to happen with cloud computing).

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"We live in a financial and capitalist age, not a scientific or technological age," investor Peter Thiel said at the Gartner Symposium in Orlando yesterday, echoing themes he has been talking about for several years now.
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In general, he said big companies and investors alike often want to invest in a portfolio of technologies, and often treat them as "lottery tickets." That usually doesn't work, he said, because you have psyched yourself into losing. Instead he said, if you have conviction about getting a short list of things done, that's how you get progress. That's true for business, and even government (though he's a libertarian) – citing the Manhattan Project and the Apollo moon shot.
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Shockingly few technologies come out of universities, he said, because people there have to pretend they are making huge new breakthroughs to get grants. As a result, people who are good at getting grants have replaced scientists.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9778/#msg9778

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Our culture and our government dislike science and technology, he said, pointing to Hollywood movies such as The Terminator, The Matrix, or even Gravity.  Thiel doesn't blame Hollywood, saying instead that it just reflects the bias the culture already has.  This has been the case since the late 60s or 70s, he said.  In the 50s
and 60s, science and technology meant not only computers, but also space, underwater cities, energy, nuclear power, etc. Now, he said, when we talk about technology, we pretty much just mean computer technology.

Thank you Counterculture! Of course from our perspective, Counterculture anti-machinism did not succeed enough. If it had truly succeeded, we would have ended machinism altogether, not merely narrowed its scope. The problem was the False Leftists who corrupted leftism with progressivism yet again, and thus prevented Counterculture anti-machinism from developing into fully-fledged ideological regressivism.

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"We wanted flying cars, instead we got 140 characters." That's not meant as a critique of Twitter as a company, but "it's not clear it's enough to bring our civilization to the next level," he said.

How much more energy would flying cars would spend compared to ground cars (which are bad enough) covering the same journey? We are fortunate we do not have flying cars. Not to mention we got drones (which are also bad enough).

In comparison, if the Counterculture had won, we would have beein phasing out all private cars by now.

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His general advice was think further ahead and not live each day as if it were your last, but rather as if it were going to go on forever.

We were also recently discussing this topic here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg28690/#msg28690

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future-oriented thinking, which at best reduces empathy for victims in the present moment and at worst leads to progressivism.

Thiel is a good example of this.

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #248 on: November 21, 2024, 04:06:05 pm »
I do not understand your line of reasoning. Nukes will also destroy current machines. If nuclear annihilation were the only way to prevent the Singularity, I would take it. My worry is machines spreading beyond the ability of nukes to destroy (this is already beginning to happen with cloud computing).

As for the Thiel article:

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"We live in a financial and capitalist age, not a scientific or technological age," investor Peter Thiel said at the Gartner Symposium in Orlando yesterday, echoing themes he has been talking about for several years now.
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In general, he said big companies and investors alike often want to invest in a portfolio of technologies, and often treat them as "lottery tickets." That usually doesn't work, he said, because you have psyched yourself into losing. Instead he said, if you have conviction about getting a short list of things done, that's how you get progress. That's true for business, and even government (though he's a libertarian) – citing the Manhattan Project and the Apollo moon shot.
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Shockingly few technologies come out of universities, he said, because people there have to pretend they are making huge new breakthroughs to get grants. As a result, people who are good at getting grants have replaced scientists.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9778/#msg9778

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Our culture and our government dislike science and technology, he said, pointing to Hollywood movies such as The Terminator, The Matrix, or even Gravity.  Thiel doesn't blame Hollywood, saying instead that it just reflects the bias the culture already has.  This has been the case since the late 60s or 70s, he said.  In the 50s
and 60s, science and technology meant not only computers, but also space, underwater cities, energy, nuclear power, etc. Now, he said, when we talk about technology, we pretty much just mean computer technology.

Thank you Counterculture! Of course from our perspective, Counterculture anti-machinism did not succeed enough. If it had truly succeeded, we would have ended machinism altogether, not merely narrowed its scope. The problem was the False Leftists who corrupted leftism with progressivism yet again, and thus prevented Counterculture anti-machinism from developing into fully-fledged ideological regressivism.

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"We wanted flying cars, instead we got 140 characters." That's not meant as a critique of Twitter as a company, but "it's not clear it's enough to bring our civilization to the next level," he said.

How much more energy would flying cars would spend compared to ground cars (which are bad enough) covering the same journey? We are fortunate we do not have flying cars. Not to mention we got drones (which are also bad enough).

In comparison, if the Counterculture had won, we would have beein phasing out all private cars by now.

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His general advice was think further ahead and not live each day as if it were your last, but rather as if it were going to go on forever.

We were also recently discussing this topic here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg28690/#msg28690

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future-oriented thinking, which at best reduces empathy for victims in the present moment and at worst leads to progressivism.

Thiel is a good example of this.

I meant in terms of "Whites" exterminating "non Whites". But I guess if "Whites" are able to gain a competitive advantage without doing so then it won't even matter?


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I feel sorry for this planet already. Here come the westerners. Luckily it's 124 lightyears away, I think they say in the interview...

Astronomer breaks down "strongest evidence yet" of life on distant planet

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I imagine a single human being could also influence 100 human-beings to take over the world and destroy humanity quite easily as well, especially if those human-beings cared little for biological life and were willing to murder 100's of billions of living organism? I can think of two ways that this would be possible, and it would be pretty easy to do so, especially in this timeline? So, why has no human-being attempted it yet, considering that if I can imagine how it could be done, many others must have imagined the same also by now? Why has it not happened yet?

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Sedna will reach its closest approach to the Sun in 2076, providing a remarkable space-faring opportunity that won’t come again for another 11,400 years.
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It isn’t supposed to occur in mammals, but…
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Human Babies Aren’t Supposed to Have 3 Parents—but Now They Can
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McFarland and his research team wanted see if removing the nucleus of an egg and placing it in a donor egg with viable mitochondria would result in healthy offspring.

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What they don't tell you is they had to remove the zygote from the empty nucleus in order to replace it with another. It's effectively eugenics.

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We are messing with things that we should not.

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Hasn't any of these so called smart people ever watched Jurassic Park movies? What about the Terminator series?

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This will probably backfire spectacularly. They probably opened up a host of issues that won't be found until later down the road.