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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2022, 07:29:57 pm »
Thank you! I might have to read the rest of that. That chapter made a pretty good first impression. As for what spurred me to type out that long message, I have to come clean and admit that it was from rewatching that one live action Casper movie from 1995 last night:



It doesn’t really have an important message to tell, but I remember watching this movie a long time ago when I was a kid, and being smitten by the ending. I also remember being frustrated at the forced trade-off of using the Lazarus to revive her dad instead of to give Casper a second chance at life, even when I was little. For some reason, I find bitter-sweet endings more depressing than purely sad ones. And the nostalgia combined with that feeling, put me in a weird headspace for the rest of that night and most of today, hence why I started looking back at stuff from my own childhood and from the 90s, and typed out that long message

And then, on the other hand, you have “romance” movies like Her, where the main premise is that some adulterated man falls in love with an AI. That movie kind of grosses me out, because the man who’s supposed to be the protagonist can only seem to connect with women, including the AI, through sex. I.E., the protagonist isn’t romantic at all. He’s not even likable. He suffers from the same thing that a lot of male protagonists in romance movies do: He’s nothing more than a bland stand-in that’s “relatable” (generic and adulterated) enough that most other men can self-insert themselves into the story. And it doesn’t help that the world is basically a dystopia, so you can’t even really enjoy the movie because it hits too close to home with how the near future is portrayed

I’d definitely be willing to take some suggestions. What do you consider mandatory watching and reading material, if I were to retrace your steps with the stuff that has gripped you from your youth and never really left?
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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2022, 10:52:41 pm »
Have you played the original Mike Tyson's Punch-Out for the NES? It's a worthwhile experience to complete the game at least once.











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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2022, 08:05:08 pm »
I don't know if any of you here like this kind of genre, but I recently found this song from a band that I like:



"Woe to the strong who misuse their strength. Woe to the hunter, for they shall be hunted" - Jesus, Gospel of the Holy Twelve

Almost definitely a coincidence, but a very welcome one. And yes, the band itself is vegan. They started in the 90s and are still making music to this day. I can't adequately express just how much I respect people who were proudly vegan back when virtually nobody else was, and when eating plant-based was so much harder and "less convenient". Voice of the Voiceless is another good song by them about the same topic. Bonus song by another entirely separate band, if you jive more with punk than metal:

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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2022, 05:51:52 am »
Some media that hasn't been purged:
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xLtCTpRua5Zb/

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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2023, 10:39:12 pm »
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Watchmen is an American superhero drama limited series based on the 1986 DC Comics series of the same title created by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons. The TV series was created for HBO by Damon Lindelof, who also served as an executive producer and writer. Its ensemble cast includes Regina King, Don Johnson, Tim Blake Nelson, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Andrew Howard, Jacob Ming-Trent, Tom Mison, Sara Vickers, Dylan Schombing, Louis Gossett Jr. and Jeremy Irons. Jean Smart and Hong Chau joined the cast in later episodes.

Lindelof likened the television series to a "remix" of the original comic series. While the series is technically a sequel that takes place 34 years after the events of the comics within the same alternate reality, Lindelof wanted to introduce new characters and conflicts which created a new story within the Watchmen continuity, rather than creating a reboot. The series focuses on events surrounding racist violence in present-day Tulsa, Oklahoma. A white supremacist group called the Seventh Kavalry has taken up arms against the Tulsa Police Department because of perceived racial injustices, causing the police to conceal their identities with masks to prevent the Seventh Kavalry from targeting them in their homes following the "White Night". Angela Abar (King), a detective known as Sister Night, investigates the murder of her friend and the chief of the police, Judd Crawford (Johnson), and discovers secrets regarding the situations around vigilantism...
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The series takes place 34 years after the events of the comic series. In the comic's alternate history of the 20th century, vigilantes, once seen as heroes, were outlawed due to their violent methods. In 1985, Adrian Veidt, formerly known as the vigilante Ozymandias, launched a false flag attack on New York City by creating an alien-looking squid monster which resulted in millions in the New York area being killed; this forced the nations to work together against a common threat, averting world war and a nuclear holocaust. Veidt's actions horrified his former companions, with Rorschach planning to tell the world what really happened before being vaporized by Doctor Manhattan, who then left the planet. Unbeknownst to Manhattan, Rorschach had already sent his journal detailing the events to the local newspaper.

The series is set in 2019 Tulsa, Oklahoma. The Seventh Kavalry, a white supremacist group inspired by Rorschach's writings and masked image (having misinterpreted his journal as a racist manifesto), wages violent war against minorities and the police that enforce special reparations for victims of racial injustice. On Christmas Eve 2016, during an event that came to be known as the "White Night", the Kavalry attacked the homes of 40 police officers working for the Tulsa Police Department.[1] Of those who survived, only two stayed with the force: Detective Angela Abar and Police Chief Judd Crawford.[2] As the police force was rebuilt, laws were passed that required police to not disclose their profession and to protect their identities while on the job by wearing masks, which included allowing for costumed police officers. As Crawford's police force attempts to crack down on the Seventh Kavalry, Abar finds herself at the center of two competing plots to kidnap Doctor Manhattan, who has been working with Hooded Justice, the original masked hero and survivor of the Tulsa massacre...[3]

In episode 2:
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In World War I, O.B., a soldier in the American army, pockets a piece of German propaganda challenging their racial equality (in the U.S.)...

The villain is a westerner!:
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[...]Meanwhile, the lord unsuccessfully tests a protective suit with a Phillips clone. He hunts down a bison for its thicker hide, but is stopped by the "Game Warden", who later writes to remind him of the terms of his imprisonment. The lord responds in a letter acknowledging these terms, signing it as Adrian Veidt and goes out to hunt again in his Ozymandias outfit...
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[...]Meanwhile, Veidt collects fetuses from a lake to grow new clones of Phillips and Crookshanks after killing off all of the existing ones. With their help, Veidt launches the dead bodies with a catapult to test the limits of his prison...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen_(TV_series)

Lord Veidt:









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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2023, 08:39:04 pm »
Here is an excellent example of how even the simplest 2D animation achieves character expressiveness that 3D animation will never come close to no matter how detailed it becomes:


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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2023, 07:32:45 pm »
What exactly is spirit?

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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2023, 08:43:26 pm »
"What in today's time would you say works like radio, TV and CD stores where the person runs it for the viewers?"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/

At least I'm trying to gradually build it up to becoming so.

"What exactly is spirit?"

The thing which has been trapped in the material world.


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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2023, 09:46:40 pm »
How do you find it in art? Is 'groove' a good word to describe it? If so, then I would definitely see better on what you mean.

The ancient strokes were fast so it gave more personality. Perfume's music is completely unnatural and could've been better as an Techno-pop song if it was made DAWless or with a band. Chinen's music, like the calligraphy, has that groove. Drill, like Perfume's music, is also artificial. Don't get me started on the overly practiced complex Classical music that Romantic composers like Wagner needed to simplify. Also that urban dancing had more individualism until there were synchronized dance crews popularized by ABDC. I also loved how each couple in Soul Train here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg2449/#msg2449

were putting their own personal spin on the dancing they shared. And how, seeing all the dancers, this dance wasn't too practiced:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg6484/#msg6484

And even when there were choreographies that needed practice for a country (at the time) ran by Xi (second video):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg10956/#msg10956

it's still an easy dance to follow along. Wagner's Parsifal was also pretty simple in a field where he needed orchestration.

I hope I was getting it.

"At least I'm trying to gradually build it up to becoming so."

I applaud you for that.

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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2023, 11:28:14 pm »
"How do you find it in art?"

I don't think it is possible to describe in words. It would be like trying to describe a colour in words. I can at best offer examples of otherwise dissimilar things which are of that same colour, and someone (who is not colourblind) looking at that set of things can thus understand the common property I am referring to.

"Is 'groove' a good word to describe it?"

To me groove refers more to getting into the optimal psychological state for doing art, which all serious artists try to do before/during working. But there are many possible grooves, including many anti-spiritual ones

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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2023, 08:12:06 am »
Maybe 'groove' is not the word for spirit. Maybe 'personality' or 'individualism'?

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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2023, 08:38:38 am »
Also, I would love to see two songs of the same genre with one of them having spirit, as well as two different genres but with the same spirit.

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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2023, 02:55:19 pm »
"Here is an excellent example of how even the simplest 2D animation achieves character expressiveness that 3D animation will never come close to no matter how detailed it becomes:


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Is this what you mean by spirit? I can see how the character's emotion as well as the artist's imagination, and all the music needed was the basic instruments, while instruments like the brass and bell were there for musical narration and not for style or skill.

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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2023, 08:05:59 pm »
"Maybe 'personality' or 'individualism'?"

It is possible to have an anti-spiritual personality or be an anti-spiritual individual.

Why are you trying so hard to find another word for it anyway? Even if you succeed, synonyms are not understanding. Violet is another word for purple. Does it improve our understanding of that colour?

"I would love to see two songs of the same genre with one of them having spirit"

https://www.bilibili.tv/en/video/2048354328

Track 3 (starts 9:07, listen to it first) and Track 2 (starts 4:14) were both candidates for an image song of the same show. Of course Track 2 got the job.

"Is this what you mean by spirit?"

That was about the superiority of 2D over 3D animation. But spiritless 2D animation is also possible.

Also, please link to the original post when reposting videos.

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« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2023, 09:59:43 pm »
"Also, please link to the original post when reposting videos."

It was in this topic. This was the link:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18787/#msg18787

"Why are you trying so hard to find another word for it anyway?"

I'm trying to understand what you mean by spirit.

"It is possible to have an anti-spiritual personality or be an anti-spiritual individual."

Isn't nobility able to be destroyed by material, therefore not their true personality?

"https://www.bilibili.tv/en/video/2048354328"

The video doesn't play in my area. Sorry :(