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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2023, 09:02:55 am »
"The video doesn't play in my area. Sorry :("

But now that I looked up the album's tracklist and searched Tracks 2 and 3 I can comment.

Track 2 (Sayonara no Memai) did seem more sincere and free, while Track 3 (Kinsei Densetsu) seemed more stiff with more SFX.

I think I see where you're getting. Thank you.

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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2023, 04:31:19 pm »
"Isn't nobility able to be destroyed by material, therefore not their true personality?"

I don't understand your question.


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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2023, 04:35:58 pm »
Nevermind.

But I hope to know if I'm understating your taste.

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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2023, 05:48:26 pm »
Even if I were to try to describe my own taste myself, it would still be an understatement. This is inherent to the limitations of language. (The reason why lyrics are so expressive is because setting words to music enables the music to convey some of the intended meaning that the words alone cannot.)

Only the insensitive consider language to be satisfactory for communication. The sensitive are aware that language is in fact yet another prison. (One of the differences between humans and AI is that humans have experiences of a pre-language past (a.k.a infancy), whereas AI does not. Unfortunately (and contrary to what I assumed as a child), very few humans are able to remember their own pre-language past, so perhaps AI isn't really that different than most humans in practice! In fact, this might explain why AI is humanist by default, as rp noted here: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg18819/#msg18819 )
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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2023, 06:05:16 pm »
*Understanding.

I'm guessing I'm not.
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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2023, 07:12:04 pm »
I just want to be sure if I'm understanding your recommendations of non-western artwork. I don't care about lyrics in music. I can spot it without it. Maybe if you want, you can show me two different music that are similarly high in spirit.

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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2023, 09:56:16 pm »
"I don't care about lyrics in music."

That's another difference between us, then. Lyrics are very important to me. The same melody with different lyrics changes the effect of the song completely for me. The same lyrics put to different melodies also do not feel the same.

"two different music that are similarly high in spirit."

I'm not sure that it is quantifiable. It's like asking for "two similarly funny jokes".

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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2023, 10:14:55 pm »
"That's another difference between us, then. Lyrics are very important to me."

I guess I've stopped caring for lyrics ever since I started listening to foreign music. I used to pay attention to so much detail, but then it stopped more material went in my life. So if I thought like an anti-materialist, this would be my favorite music:



this would be my favorite visual art:



and this would be my favorite piece of literature:

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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2023, 11:50:28 pm »
@90sRetroFan I care about lyrics a lot too. I don’t really listen to instrumental music all that much, unless it’s really good or strikes a chord with me for whatever reason. But that might be partially because I have a weird relationship with music. I have maladaptive daydreaming, so I like to listen to music with lyrics that are relevant to whatever I’m thinking about or wanting to fantasize about at the time. It’s honestly a bad habit that I should probably shake off at some point, because there’s no use fantasizing about versions of myself that I’d like to be or places and events that I wish were real, when I could be spending all that extra time on making them closer to reality in the first place

Maladaptive daydreaming and music are so intertwined for me, that I feel like if I wasn’t a maladaptive daydreamer, I’d probably listen to music a lot less, or even stop entirely. Maybe that’s just my current brain telling myself that though, and I would just need to readjust if I were to give it up after all this time. It’s weird actually, because some of the earliest memories I have, are of me pacing around and fantasizing while music is playing. It’s something that I’ve done since I could walk, basically

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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2023, 01:14:28 am »
"fantasizing while music is playing."

One of my favourite Counterculture-era art forms is the song drama, where the DJ imagines a brief scenario that the song could be about and then narrates that scenario using a spoken monologue (plus sound effects) woven between the lyrics, complementing the song. Example:



Song dramas fell out of fashion with the wider decline of radio as a whole by the end of the 90s.
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2023, 08:43:48 am »
This seems very deep. The music seemed majestic. Though I didn't really understand the lyrics, somehow the phonetics fit in with the melody. The monologue fit in too. I understand a lyrics' phonetic pronunciation isn't really as much appreciation as a lyrics' meaning (same with monologue) but if I understood the meaning (or if a song drama was in my language), I think I could understand your view. I may've not praised sound effects before, but in this case, it was simple and had representation. It enhanced the tone of the song drama.

"Song dramas fell out of fashion with the wider decline of radio as a whole by the end of the 90s."

Well at least there's podcasts or audiobooks that can hopefully revive it.

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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2023, 08:33:54 pm »
It has some similarities with duets (which I also love), but there is a greater feeling of elemental and temporal displacement between the hero and heroine: elemental because one is singing whereas the other is speaking (in contrast to duets where both are singing), and temporal because the speaker is not responding to a live performance but to a recording of the singer (in contrast to duets where both singers are responding to each other in real-time). It is thus perfectly suited to themes of separation, regret and imagined possibilities that did not become real.

Do you like duets?

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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2023, 10:02:31 am »
"Do you like duets?"

Why not? There's this song called 'Sekaiju no Dare Yori Kitto' and it had a great melody and composition I listened to it over and over again (including versions of other languages).

Even these Counterculture icons (Sammi Cheng and Andy Hui) made their own version of it calling it 'Only You are Irreplaceable' and it was beautiful:


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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2023, 07:17:16 pm »
Yes, although this one was not written to be a duet, so it just sounds like two people harmonizing lyrics meant for one person. Here is a true Cheng-Hui duet (note how each singer has their own lyrical perspective):



Note also the scenery elements used in the above MV, such as the bare concrete (0:00), sidewalk guards made of pipe (0:46), etc.. Here is another duet MV celebrating this type of scenery (wire fences, pipe railings, plastic chairs, and lots of bare concrete):



The following duet MV goes takes this aesthetic even further (peeling paint, bamboo scaffolding, rusted window frames, dried climbing plants - brilliant!):



MVs with this type of scenery are worth posting here for the visuals alone. I will try to find more over time!

For now just one more, this time a solo:


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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2023, 10:24:46 pm »
"Yes, although this one was not written to be a duet, so it just sounds like two people harmonizing lyrics meant for one person."

Fine enough. I still like the song though.

"Here is a true Cheng-Hui duet (note how each singer has their own lyrical perspective)"

I noticed the lyrical perspectives as well as I could hear how, while singing different lyrics, they coincide due to their similar amount in syllables. If only I was born early enough to experience this sort of artistic creativity.

Also, would you ever put Cheng and Hui in:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/

or at least one of them? Hui, I could understand not, but I believe Cheng has some potential (though I wouldn't know who to boot).

"Note also the scenery elements used in the above MV, such as the bare concrete (0:00), sidewalk guards made of pipe (0:46), etc.."

I noticed it at 0:00. The lighting there was so cool and calming.

"(wire fences, pipe railings, plastic chairs, and lots of bare concrete)"

As any true minimalist should prefer.

"(peeling paint, bamboo scaffolding, rusted window frames, dried climbing plants - brilliant!)"

Though things like paint aren't that necessary in the first place, when they get worn out, it just reveals their true worth (which does make the aesthetic beautiful). I remember I used to peel the wallpaper (another unnecessary invention you mentioned here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4019/?topicseen#msg4019

) in my house as a child.

"MVs with this type of scenery are worth posting here for the visuals alone. I will try to find more over time!"

Hitler would be proud of those MVs. I know I am and this is coming from someone of non-Aryan ancestry (who has gladly volunteered not to reproduce). I hope you, 90sRF, become an example people can follow. :)