True Left

>factionalism

I'm not the one rewritting the main site boyo.

"Ascesis supports the original Aryanist ideal, as it was outlined on the main site for over a decade. If we're "factionalists" because we independently pursue success according to the original ideal, rather than allow Aryanism to fade into oblivion, then so be it. But like it or not, it takes more than a rule flatly saying "no factionalism" to prevent factionalism."



>be change you want without petty arguing.

I think it'd be reasonable for you to infer that forum posting isn't our only form of action. I'm here because I care about this community, and I don't want to see it poisoned anymore. You're right though, this entire conversation is petty and stupid. But if that applies to me, then that applies to 90sRF as well. Its embarassing that Aryanism has come to this; this is why Ascesis was created.

"Gahahhahahaha for someone who supposedly makes compassion the focus of their worldview, you certainly understand nothing about people."

"Gahahhahahaha" why should anyone have compassion for their enemies? Aryanists have compassion for the children of their enemies, that's about it...

By the way, "Gulag" is a Soviet\Communist\Jewish\Western word:

The Gulag[c][d][10][11][9] was the government agency in charge of the Soviet network of forced labour camps which were set up by order of Vladimir Lenin, reaching its peak during Joseph Stalin's rule from the 1930s to the early 1950s.[12] English-language speakers also use the word gulag in reference to each of the forced-labor camps that existed in the Soviet Union, including the camps that existed in the post-Lenin era.[13][14] The full official name of the agency changed several times.

The Gulag is recognized as a major instrument of political repression in the Soviet Union. The camps housed a wide range of convicts, from petty criminals to political prisoners, a large number of whom were convicted by simplified procedures, such as NKVD troikas or other instruments of extrajudicial punishment. In 1918–1922, the agency was administered by the Cheka, followed by the GPU (1922–1923), the OGPU (1923–1934), later known as the NKVD (1934–1946), and the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) in the final years. The Solovki prison camp, the first correctional labour camp which was constructed after the revolution, was opened in 1918 and legalized by a decree, "On the creation of the forced-labor camps", on April 15, 1919...

Why do you find it so difficult to not be "white"?: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-'black'-and-'white'-identity-politics-scam/

"Ascesis supports the original Aryanist ideal, as it was outlined on the main site for over a decade."

Please explain the "Aryanist ideal" that you supported "decades" ago, which has somehow changed present day, or are you full of horse shyte?

BONUS SONG:

Why Reconcile?

>Aryanists have compassion for the children of their enemies, that's about it...

Looks like we actually agree then! My whole point is that treating the children of ignoble people like they're already evil, is going to make them actually evil.

>"Gulag" is a Soviet\Communist\Jewish\Western word

Which is why I used it a negatively

>Please explain the "Aryanist ideal" that you supported "decades" ago, which has somehow changed present day, or are you full of horse shyte?

Basically the fact that we went from recognizing the inherent ignobility of Backlash Herding, to joining the people inducing it. If you deny that the main site is being rewritten, then perhaps you yourself are full of horse shyte.

"Are you comfortable with Backlash Herding then?"

Do you even know what a Backlash Herder is?

propagandists responsible for promoting attitudes such as Islamophobia, racism (implicit or explicit) towards so-called “Third World” ethnicities, and an overarching admiration of and desire to preserve Western civilization.

Duchesne is a Backlash Herder. Culture Critic is a Backlash Herder. If you dislike Backlash Herding, go after them (like I do!).

"Are you going to forget how raceless and malleable people are?"

I am not a communist. Are you?

"I can go to the same exact people you speak of, and invite them to work with their neighbors (regardless of ethnicity) to create community organizations that help facilitate Folkic celebrations and grassroots social services that brings their community together. Which method, my good friend, do you think actually reduces racial tensions?"

How does reducing tensions lead to justice? (Trump supporters said that indicting Trump would "inflame tensions". They were not incorrect. Indicting Trump also is a better path to justice than not indicting Trump.)

"Many "white" people are not related to Western colonizers, do they get the Gulag too?"

If they call themselves "white", they are volunteering to be associated with the Western colonizers.

"I don't think Native people are too happy with "blacks" and "Asians" occupying their land either."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/ethnotribalism-the-computer-simulation/msg18545/#msg18545

Kevin Gover, Under Secretary for Museums and Culture, is “a citizen of the Pawnee Tribe of Oklahoma.”

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg69/?topicseen#msg69

Spoonhunter decided to put together the event, along with Micah Lott, as a way to “bring to light issues that we experience as people of color,” he said. He said the overwhelming response from the city, where you still regularly see Confederate flags hung in windows and in trucks, was positive. “There were people who shouted, ‘Hope you get the ‘rona,” he said. “But most people honked in support, or raised their fist, or if we shouted ‘black lives matter’ or ‘justice for Floyd,’ they would open their windows and yell it back.”

“As Indigenous people, we wanted to stand in solidarity with Black Lives,” Lott told me. “We put it on in Riverton, because of its older white conservative population and its prejudice toward Black, Indigenous, and People of Color.”

“Your fight is my fight #BlackLivesMatter,” “Racism kills. I can’t breathe” and “Justice for George Floyd” read some of the signs hoisted by the crowd.
...
“Just like our oppressions, our struggles are also linked. The anti-racist struggle in the United States is the same as that of Mexico and other parts of the world, the struggle of indigenous peoples is the same as that of blacks,” Bailey added.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg2272/?topicseen#msg2272

What’s destructive about these takes is the unstated assumption that the country can’t heal if white Americans aren’t accommodated first.

If Biden is to truly heal a divided country, he should not coddle white racial anxieties rooted in a perceived loss of status and privilege. Policy should not be built on how it may assuage or enflame these pathologies. Americans—particularly those who are Black, Native American, Asian American, and Latino or Hispanic—have little use for policymaking that’s distracted by the threat of a racist backlash. Being a president to all Americans means not centering white grievances rooted in false notions of superiority.

"If I were to make fun of you for being short, you'd probably end up finding a way to be proud of being short, even if its something you didn't care about before. Replace "shortness" with something actually bad, and the same affect occurs."

So if someone does something actually bad, we should not disapprove of it lest they become proud of it. Your way of thinking is why there has been no accountability for:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/red-coup/

"This isn't even what we were talking about"

X are colonial-era "whites". Y are their victims. Z are present-day "whites". Do you know how to do substitution? If so, read this again:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19138/#msg19138

If X steals from Y, then Z inherits the stolen item from X, and Z refuses to return it to Y on the grounds that Z was not the one who personally stole it, what does that tell us about Z?

Now answer me.

"What do you want then, to empty America of all "white" people?"

Yes.

"To where, Europe?"

You are illiterate:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19138/#msg19138

I am not even demanding that they personally emigrate. All they need to do is refrain from reproducing, and the land will cease to be inherited by their descendants.

"Return land to their ethnic Natives? Cool way to prevent ethnostates bro."

You are illiterate. I have always supported open borders.

"I want Americans to recognize the ignobility the US was founded upon, and then come together to move forward and avoid those mistakes."

If you were serious about this, you would first demand eliminating the bloodlines that produced such behaviour.

"You, on the other hand, want to crap on people for something bad that they were not responsible for"

They are volunteering to take responsibility for it! If I join a gang today, and then am killed tomorrow in a retaliatory attack on the gang by victims that the gang victimized last month, the retaliators still did nothing wrong in killing me even though I was not among those who victimized them last month. I chose to join the gang despite knowing the gang's history, therefore I am volunteering to be associated with everything the gang has done in the past.

"and act surprised when they choose arrogance rather than self-hatred."

Does this sound like surprise to you?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/superiority-cannot-be-taught/

"Either all Americans drop the identity politics, or no one does. Full stop."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/ethnotribalism-the-computer-simulation/msg15977/#msg15977

You are LaCour/Levitt.

"I am going to call someone a piece of "shít" and then say that I didn't mean it, because I put quotes around "shít"."

Please link to at least one site where people are taught to be proud of their shittiness.

"lithium mines"

Who discovered lithium?

it was not until 1817 that Johan August Arfwedson, then working in the laboratory of the chemist Jöns Jakob Berzelius, detected the presence of a new element while analyzing petalite ore.[72][73][74][75] This element formed compounds similar to those of sodium and potassium, though its carbonate and hydroxide were less soluble in water and less alkaline.[76] Berzelius gave the alkaline material the name "lithion/lithina", from the Greek word λιθoς (transliterated as lithos, meaning "stone"), to reflect its discovery in a solid mineral, as opposed to potassium, which had been discovered in plant ashes, and sodium, which was known partly for its high abundance in animal blood. He named the metal inside the material "lithium".[7][70][75]

Arwedson later showed that this same element was present in the minerals spodumene and lepidolite.[77][70] In 1818, Christian Gmelin was the first to observe that lithium salts give a bright red color to flame.[70][78] However, both Arfwedson and Gmelin tried and failed to isolate the pure element from its salts.[70][75][79] It was not isolated until 1821, when William Thomas Brande obtained it by electrolysis of lithium oxide, a process that had previously been employed by the chemist Sir Humphry Davy to isolate the alkali metals potassium and sodium.[36][79][80][81][82] Brande also described some pure salts of lithium, such as the chloride, and, estimating that lithia (lithium oxide) contained about 55% metal, estimated the atomic weight of lithium to be around 9.8 g/mol (modern value ~6.94 g/mol).[83] In 1855, larger quantities of lithium were produced through the electrolysis of lithium chloride by Robert Bunsen and Augustus Matthiessen.[70][84] The discovery of this procedure led to commercial production of lithium in 1923 by the German company Metallgesellschaft AG, which performed an electrolysis of a liquid mixture of lithium chloride and potassium chloride.[70][85][86]

"Which gene pools USE and IMPROVE them? Hint: virtually of them."

Only after they were invented. By whom?

"Whatever happened to treating people like individuals?"

Each individual can choose to reproduce or to not reproduce. When someone with "white" parents and who knows "white" history nevertheless intends to reproduce, they reveal what kind of individual they are, and we will treat them accordingly.

"attributing every modern invention to "whites" LOL."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/how-to-resign-as-a-jew/msg17926/#msg17926

"So you want people to hate identity politics by using identity politics to defeat identity politics? Truly a stroke of genius, I think I get it now."

Pacifists react similarly when I talk about Ahimsa.

"This demonstrably does not work."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/academic-decolonization/msg15836/#msg15836

"hasn't this entire conversation been about the need to instill some good ole "white" guilt?"

No, it is about instilling hatred towards "whites" by "non-whites".

>this idea that the website is being rewritten in order to change the inherent ideology, is only an assumption. From what 90sRetroFan has said about it, the website is being updated to make it more relevant to the current times and current events.

I hope it is. But considering the delusional 180° 90sRF is taking Aryanism, we can only expect the worst. How vague and time consuming he's been with it doesn't help.

>because 90sRetroFan’s politics have stayed basically exactly the same over the years

It hasn't. He went from "detached justice" to "ooga booga revenge go jerk off with your enemy's blood". He went from "we are all individuals; the pan-Europeanism and pan-Africanism are fake ideas" to "wyppl bad because someone discovered Lithium in 1817". This isn't AS honestly changing his mind, its a sign of decay.

>They’re at the very least consistent, and I’m sure that you would concede that

Read the debate between us, and you'll understand why I don't.

>And I don’t notice any discrepancies between what they currently believe, and what the pre-update articles say. At least, not any of the sort that would lead me believe that 90sRetroFan is consciously aware of those discrepancies and is choosing to bury them.

If you ask me, this is why he not only decided to rewrite Aryanism, but completely wiped the doctrine off the main site. Why not just keep it up until the new material is done? I can't imagine the recruits and simple convenience Aryanism has lost because of this.

>The aware "whites" will confess that they are racist by racial category and subjugate to our dominion. If they behave like what you assume, that is become racist because we criticize them, they will be our target of attack.

That's the issue — you are offering people either to be "subjugated under your dominion", or be attacked for not doing so. Both options are degrading and fail to transcend the slave identities put before us.

>"White" is this definition: Pro-democracy, pro-capitalist, pro-Progressivism, pro-Judaism, pro-Empiricism, pro-Complexity, pro-competition, pro-Stoicism, pro-Industrialism, pro-Communism, pro-Relativism, pro-Naturalism

Sounds a lot like China! Clearly you don't have to be "white" to be "white".

>On Arabs, they ever became "white" in the past which poisoned behavior of Islamic people... If the Chinese still behave moderately to the West including Russia and preserve their retard communism, they will be another "whites". During colonial era, the Chinese usually worked together with their "white" master to extend the business and trade on the colonized people's land without sympathizing with the victim of colonialism

So "whites" are the only source of evil in the world, but when other people act bad, its just because they were actually "white" all along? Don't get me wrong, Westernization certainly exists but if you think that everyone was perfectly noble until "whites" came along, you are delusional.

>Jews also tell that we are "racist" because we incite hatred towards them. I don't take them seriously

"Whites" do not have the extreme racial consciousness and inner cohesion that Jews do, so this does not apply.

"This is your own writing"

This is your own illiteracy:

every mainstream article written in apparent celebration of ethnic diversity

I am not mainstream media, and I do not celebrate ethnic diversity:

"Do you even know what Backlash Herding is?"

Do you?

"Speaking to every restaurant worker, middle school kid, or tradesman who peripherally considers himself "white" with disgust because you assume they want slavery back"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/marathon-the-battle-that-gave-birth-to-western-civilization/msg16801/#msg16801

as I said elsewhere, due to messy leftist messaging, there exist some sincere anti-racists who mistakenly think they have a social duty to identify as "white" in order to "acknowledge their privilege". Those who identify as "white" for this reason are not to be prematurely assumed to be "white" on account of their self-identification alone.

The most reliable way to tell whether or not apparent anti-racists who say they are "white" are actually "white", as always, is whether or not they voluntarily refrain from reproducing.

"if you treat "whites" like they're racist by default, they will actually become racist"

I do not treat individuals with "white" parents like they're racist by default, so long as they are voluntarily refraining from reproducing. Have I ever treated HikariDude like he's racist by default?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/how-to-resign-as-a-jew/msg17907/#msg17907

"all this tells us is that people don't want to take responsibility for something they didn't do."

Z did not steal from Y. Z was given the stolen item by X, who stole it from Y. Should Z give back the item to Y?

If Z in response complains about having to take responsibility for something they didn't do, what does that tell us about Z?

Stop ducking the question.

"you will only worsen race relations for just trying."

You are worsening "non-white" spiritual health by telling them they should not hate their oppressors.

"Do you want people to "return land to the Natives" (which presumably means leave America), or to stay in it to refuse to reproduce?"

You are the one doing the presuming. I already said:

All they need to do is refrain from reproducing, and the land will cease to be inherited by their descendants.

"You are not going to have open borders by restricting an entire continent for an ethnic majority"

Which I never claimed to want to do.

"or even if you are only looking to expel "only" one ethnic group."

Which I explicitly said I would not be doing:

I am not even demanding that they personally emigrate.

but you are illiterate.

"Where do you draw the line? Everyone is related to some horrible group of people."

The period from the Renaissance onwards has been uniquely horrible, and only one group of people was behind it all.

"This really isn't even how genetics works either."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/how-to-resign-as-a-jew/msg17926/#msg17926

"your average "white" isn't in a gang."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/ethnonepotism/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/police-rightist-bias/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/mainstream-media-rightist-bias/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/state-subverters/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/military-subverters/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/crypto-lynching/

"Now how about you answer this"

I already answered you, you illiterate:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19151/#msg19151

"You, on the other hand, want to crap on people for something bad that they were not responsible for"

They are volunteering to take responsibility for it! If I join a gang today, and then am killed tomorrow in a retaliatory attack on the gang by victims that the gang victimized last month, the retaliators still did nothing wrong in killing me even though I was not among those who victimized them last month. I chose to join the gang despite knowing the gang's history, therefore I am volunteering to be associated with everything the gang has done in the past.

Now how about you answer my XYZ questions?

"I am calling you out for race baiting, and you said that it doesn't count because you put quotation marks around the words "white" and "black". Hence me mocking you by saying I'm going to insult someone, but then say it doesn't count because I used quotation marks around the insult."

I am reacting to White Pride. Are you reacting to Shitty Pride? Hence me mocking you be demanding you link to a Shitty Pride site.

"USING Lithium?"

Only after it was discovered. By whom?

"Is "whiteness" a fake social construct, and that everyone is an individual, or we going to hate categorically hate a large portion of Humanity because they vaguely look like someone who invented something centuries ago?"

Even if no one had ever come up with the social construct of "whiteness", the distribution of machinism by ethnic background would still have looked roughly like this:



However, the social construct of "whiteness" is what convinces the high-machinism-potential gene pool that it needs to consciously preserve itself. The result of the social construct of "whiteness", therefore, is that machinism is sustainable, because the high-machinism-potential gene pool is being consciously preserved.

So, back to the present, if we end the social construct of "whiteness" but do nothing about the high-machinism-potential gene pool, it is possible that it could eventually dissipate by itself, but surely not before AI takes over machinism (whereupon it will be too late). In order to end machinism before AI takes over, we need to end the high-machinism-potential gene pool ASAP. This requires actively eliminating its bloodlines.

"You think "non-whites" (such as the Chinese or Arabs) never invented anything that lead to something bad, in the ancient past or in the present? lol"

You think if all "whites" (including Jews) had been removed from existence prior to the Renaissance, the world by now would still have AI/space travel/etc., or even any of the following?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/

"virtually every "white" couple with kids have not thought about it this deeply."

That also shows what kind of individuals they are.

"So again, treat them like monsters and they'll become exactly that"

This too reveals what kind of individuals they are.

"Are you going to call for the genocide of the Han Chinese then? Because those people are quite high IQ, and have been warring for millennia."

Read the post FFS:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/how-to-resign-as-a-jew/msg17926/#msg17926

(Oh, I forgot: you are illiterate.)

"too bad we're not talking about Ahimsa."

Except we are talking about Ahimsa. Identitarianism is initiated violence. Do you need me to explain how?

"Sounds kinda racist bro."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/msg16061/#msg16061

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/msg18976/#msg18976