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Ascesis · « **Reply #60 on:** May 04, 2023, 09:30:03 pm »

Ok!

So you are pretty much ignoring everything I am saying because you cannot refute it. Virtually all of your responses are just strawmans, and hyperfixations on my wording designed to derail from the points made that you cannot refute. Furthermore, it appears you are attempting an Ad Hominem me through shallow insults.

Essentially, our past conversation is just an overcomplicated way for you to repeatedly do the above, presumably in an attempt to make me give up. So I will just ask you this question point blank, as I find myself essentially asking the same question ten times everytime I respond to you, the question that you keep on trying to ignore:

Is it rational to persecute people who absentmindedly and UNCONSCIOUSLY call themselves "white", because they are, supposedly, somehow also maintaining a CONSCIOUS belief that all non-"whites" should be enslaved to them?

I'm actually okay with speaking to you more, but your points have to be honest and made in good faith. Therefore, if you respond to the above question through Ad Hominem, semantic acrobatics, a strawman, or any other word of verbal Jewry, I will declare this debate a victory for the Ascesis Foundation.

Ascesis · « **Reply #61 on:** May 04, 2023, 09:33:10 pm »

>and agree with everything he says

So you're spectating with your mind already made up before even hearing the other side? Very objective.

>even though I have beige skin and was a Nordicist for 2 weeks before finding the main site

You either did not internalize Nordicism long enough to fully understand it, or you simply jumped from one end of the identity politics to the other.

guest93 · « **Reply #62 on:** May 04, 2023, 09:51:36 pm »

"So you're spectating with your mind already made up before even hearing the other side? Very objective."

Well, the quality of his material has only been improving since I found the main site, so there's no reason for me to doubt about the future direction of this conversation.

"You either did not internalize Nordicism long enough to fully understand it, or you simply jumped from one end of the identity politics to the other."

Or I'm simply infected with "white" genes (just like probably >99% of people with beige skin are), even though I managed to maintain some of my Original Nobility.

rp · « **Reply #63 on:** May 04, 2023, 10:06:25 pm »

"persecuted"
If asking someone to refrain from reproducing in order to prevent initiating violence is "persecution", then I don't know what to tell you:

Ascesis · « **Reply #64 on:** May 04, 2023, 10:12:33 pm »

>Well, the quality of his material has only been improving since I found the main site,

What an amazingly broad and vague statement.

>so there's no reason for me to doubt about the future direction of this conversation.

Does the massive amount of Ad Hominem attacks, hyperfixations on wording, strawmans (and general verbal Jewry) made by 90sRF in an attempt to derail from my arguments, cause any doubt in you?

>Or I'm simply infected with "white" genes (just like probably >99% of people with beige skin are), even though I managed to maintain some of my Original Nobility.

Sure. But if your politics still reinforce "black" and "white" tribalism, then I doubt you're at the end of your journey here. I've been in your exact position before. If you're sincere, you probably won't stay there one way or another.

Ascesis · « **Reply #65 on:** May 04, 2023, 10:14:00 pm »

>If asking someone to refrain from reproducing in order to prevent initiating violence is "persecution", then I don't know what to tell you:

If that's how you need to oversimplify the situation in order to cope everything I have said out of your head, then go for it.

antihellenistic · « **Reply #66 on:** May 04, 2023, 11:38:20 pm »

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>Again, here is the graph:

I've already answered and dismissed this like three times. If you're not going to respond to my answer because I didn't give you the answer you want, then shut up.

You not answering his data facts, you just ig oring it only because the data is "unreliable according to you". In other words you not refute anything to him. My point still stand, you are white apologist pretending as universalist

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Maybe the issue is with IGNOBLE PEOPLE, not people with a certain SKIN COLOR

The advanced ignoble people come from "whites". And it spread to "non-whites" through colonial era and Industrial Revolution which created and perpetuated by "whites". So the priority is destroy the "whites" and then the "non-whites" who are agree with their domination and neo-colonialism.

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This entire argument can be expanded to include humans in general.

I'm told you that the "white" humans who are behave exploitative on this world with large scale. Not all human have "white" behaviour. Only the intelligence and cold people who are mostly largely exploitative. So, the "whites" who are to be held accountable first before others. But you always deny it and say something which already refutted, but you not want to acknowledge it

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This tells you they are just another crappy natalist. Literally everyone, literally every ethnic group, that has ever lived is related to people with an ignoble past.

Again, "whites" and people with "whites" behaviour who are must be eliminated first by preventing them from reproducing. Because "white" behaviour is the most destructive and oppressive attitude if you want to open your mind

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I'm calling you a Jew for twisting my words because I won the argument.

Because the way to refute your arguments is with questioning and give knowledge answer to your words

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I mean even if you truly never have changed your views, that means you have learned nothing over the years. That aside, how do you address this then?

Because the problem still same, we no need to change our views

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"I brought all of this up because it doesn't seem like you to base your worldview off of Wignat Empiricism, and dividing people according to identity politics, rather than the noble and ignoble people who exist across all lines. This is the complete opposite of Aryanism."

If you not want to accept the fact that people who got categorized correctly as "whites" are ignoble, you cannot understand us

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Are you applying a double standard to people with beige skin, but not to people with brown skin?

Not all people are same, "whites" perpetuate Western Civilization, therefore it's not double-standard if we undermine and humiliate them. But of course you still not want to agree with it

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No, you do not. You expressly state that everyone who calls themselves "white" wants slavery back. I am saying most people who do so, do not want slavery back.

People who got "white" category always miss the colonial past and want to imitate it in the future or present even tough with different way without slavery, see modern neo-colonialism. So they still guilty and must held accountable

90sRetroFan · « **Reply #67 on:** May 04, 2023, 11:48:24 pm »

"they do have a space program, and they do industry, they do have AI, et cetera."

Copying whom?

"Answer the fúcking question. Would someone, by unconsciously calling oneself "white", be also paradoxically be making a conscious decision to declaration ensalve "non-whites"?"

If they intend to reproduce, yes. If not, no.

"We'd all prefer anti-racist "whites" pass on their genes than racist "blacks", would we not?"

No. A world where from the 10th century onwards racist "blacks" had been allowed to reproduce but no "whites" had been allowed to reproduce would by today have none of the following problems:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/

It would have only a racism problem, which we can then deal with without having new problems raining down on us non-stop.

"I've already answered and dismissed this like three times."

Which circles?

"Maybe the issue is with IGNOBLE PEOPLE, not people with a certain SKIN COLOR."

Here are some ignoble people:

https://www.australianviews.com.au/p/623/1863-aboriginal-hunters-bee-hunters-australian-10930138.jpg.webp

If we replaced all people of bloodlines represented by the yellow circles in the graph back in the 10th century with an equal number of the type of ignoble people in the picture, would we have to worry about:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

today?

And again, you are the only one talking about skin colour. I never mentioned it.

"This entire argument can be expanded to include humans in general."

Even Duchesne knows better:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg4324/?topicseen#msg4324

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg395/?topicseen#msg395

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9344/?topicseen#msg9344

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg10546/?topicseen#msg10546

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17117/?topicseen#msg17117

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17214/?topicseen#msg17214

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17662/?topicseen#msg17662

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17717/?topicseen#msg17717

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17837/?topicseen#msg17837

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg18472/?topicseen#msg18472

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg18972/?topicseen#msg18972

etc..

"Unique social conditions."

What social conditions would enable the ignoble people in the picture linked above to independently develop quantum computing?

"You are lying to yourself if you believe that genetics are the only role playing here"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/how-to-resign-as-a-jew/msg17926/#msg17926

"Having beige skin does not make you a tribalist by default."

Which is why I never said anything about beige skin. You, on the other hand, feel a need to mention it over and over again.

"By "all lines" I mean "all ethnicities". "

Yes, I already know you are illiterate.

"So you're allowed to refer to "technocracy" in relation to technology, but not I?"

I do it accurately.

"You made the same "error" as I."

You think so because you are illiterate.

"Are you applying a double standard to people with beige skin, but not to people with brown skin?"

Again, I never said anything about skin colour.

"You expressly state that everyone who calls themselves "white" wants slavery back."

Not if they voluntarily refrain from reproducing. I would much rather everyone with "white" parents call themselves "white" but do not reproduce than not call themselves "white" but do reproduce.

"Making noble genetics sociopolitically dominate society will root out ignoble genes MUCH more than allowing ignoble genes dominate."

Making noble genetics sociopolitically dominate society will be easier to achieve with "whites" gone.

"Is it rational to persecute people who absentmindedly and UNCONSCIOUSLY call themselves "white", because they are, supposedly, somehow also maintaining a CONSCIOUS belief that all non-"whites" should be enslaved to them?"

If they intend to reproduce, yes. If they voluntarily refrain from reproducing, no.

antihellenistic · « **Reply #68 on:** May 04, 2023, 11:52:08 pm »

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So you are pretty much ignoring everything I am saying because you cannot refute it. Virtually all of your responses are just strawmans, and hyperfixations on my wording designed to derail from the points made that you cannot refute. Furthermore, it appears you are attempting an Ad Hominem me through shallow insults.

No, your answer only humiliating him with philosophical words like "ad hominem", "strawman", "semantic", and others without showing logical answer. Therefore you can be considered not answer anything knowledges and logics we propose. You just show your inability to answer.

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Essentially, our past conversation is just an overcomplicated way for you to repeatedly do the above, presumably in an attempt to make me give up.

We repeatedly answer with same logics and knowledges because you still questioning anything which answer is already provided but you always pretend to not got an answer. So, we just showing your ignorance

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...Ad Hominem, semantic acrobatics, a strawman, or any other word of verbal Jewry, I will declare this debate a victory for the Ascesis Foundation.

This kind of answer is the reason on our unrefuttable arguments. You just humiliate us, not give us a logical and answer of knowledges

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Does the massive amount of Ad Hominem attacks, hyperfixations on wording, strawmans (and general verbal Jewry) made by 90sRF in an attempt to derail from my arguments, cause any doubt in you?

You just humiliate his arguments, not answering our arguments a bit. If you have an answer, you say anything with logics and knowledges, not humiliation terms

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Sure. But if your politics still reinforce "black" and "white" tribalism, then I doubt you're at the end of your journey here. I've been in your exact position before. If you're sincere, you probably won't stay there one way or another

The problem is you not want to consider that "blacks" word is identity which anyone regardless of their ethnic background can join. But not on "white" word. So "white" is tribalist word whereas "blacks" not. But you from the beginning of this forum conversation always evade from that reality and instead just mock us with humiliate only not with data and logical answer

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If that's how you need to oversimplify the situation in order to cope everything I have said out of your head, then go for it.

Again, you still say anything without logical and rational reasons, just humiliating us

Ascesis · « **Reply #69 on:** May 05, 2023, 08:20:19 am »

So for the sake of brevity and staying on task, I want to knock these out one by one, and only respond to one argument at a time. Don't bothering calling this derailment, I will return to your other responses afterwards.

My question:

"Would someone, by unconsciously calling themselves 'white', be also, paradoxically, somehow be making a conscious declaration that they want to enslave 'non-whites'?"

Your response:

>If they intend to reproduce, yes. If not, no.

And my response is that you have not resolved the paradox.

Besides, deciding to reproduce does not magically make someone fervently believe in something, but also somehow not, at the same time. Even if it somehow did, you forfeit the right to say that anyone calling themselves absentmindedly calling themselves "white", should be treated as Western Chauvinist, as millions of such "white" people have not reproduced.

We agree that natalism is bad. But what you cannot prove is that everyone calling themselves "white" as a completely apolitical descriptor is ignoble by default. Shall we move on?

MAGAmorons · « **Reply #70 on:** May 05, 2023, 04:11:56 pm »

MAGA-Morons also claimed victory even though they clearly lost...

MAGA delusions didn't work out too well for them in the real world either....

Ascesis · « **Reply #71 on:** May 05, 2023, 04:26:21 pm »

>MAGA-Morons also claimed victory even though they clearly lost...

Telling 90sRF to stop using verbal Jewry to ignore my arguments, or else I'll take it as a sign that I won the argument... Means I lost the argument? Outstanding.

What would YOU think about the validity of your opponent's beliefs if they repeatedly ignored your arguments by twisting your words, strawmans, bad faith, and dumb Ad Hominems?

But hey, its great to hear from you again flake.

URANeffinCREEP · « **Reply #72 on:** May 05, 2023, 04:48:44 pm »

I noticed you logged back in immediately after I posted, which makes me think you are just hovering around this forum like a stalker waiting for something to respond to.

What is your obsession with me you creepy effin weirdo!? Do I really need to call the police on you? Shouldnt you be chasing nasty hoodrats around the gym or something, or do you just do that in your off time when you are not obsessing over me on the internet? Why are you so desperate to get sued by me in civil court?

90sRetroFan · « **Reply #73 on:** May 05, 2023, 05:01:51 pm »

"you forfeit the right to say that anyone calling themselves absentmindedly calling themselves "white", should be treated as Western Chauvinist"

No problem, since I was the one warning against doing this before you even showed up:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/marathon-the-battle-that-gave-birth-to-western-civilization/msg16801/#msg16801

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there exist some sincere anti-racists who mistakenly think they have a social duty to identify as "white" in order to "acknowledge their privilege". Those who identify as "white" for this reason are not to be prematurely assumed to be "white" on account of their self-identification alone.

The most reliable way to tell whether or not apparent anti-racists who say they are "white" are actually "white", as always, is whether or not they voluntarily refrain from reproducing.

"millions of such "white" people have not reproduced."

Many of these would like to reproduce, but have merely been unsuccessful in this endeavour. They are still "white".

It is the remainder, who consider their bloodline better not perpetuated, who can be considered not "white".

guest98 · « **Reply #74 on:** May 05, 2023, 06:19:00 pm »

It seems like you care a bit too much about "white" people. "Whiteness" is destined to be destroyed, might as well let go.

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