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So this is about the sixth time you've ignored my arguments just to repeat questions I've already both answered and debunked another six times over. You are obviously wrong, and using argumentative fallacies to compensate. I'll take this as another win for Ascesis

However, it appears that you responded to the first version of my post, about ten minutes after I revised it to what it is now. So in the interest of fairness, I'll let you respond to the updated post — but we all know how that is going to turn out. Moving on.

>That some "whites" today are anti-industrialization is beside the point. There are always "whites" who oppose any given problem that other "whites" have created

Many tall people are rápists, so when other tall people protest rápe then it doesn't count. It also doesn't really count when short people rápe, because we think that tall people invented rápe first. After all, there are profound fundamental differences between tall and short rápists. So, let's just genocide tall people regardless if they rápe or not.

"Hooray! We solved rápe!"

>My point is that eliminating "white" bloodlines today would prevent future problems that we today don't even know about yet, but which 'whites' - if not eliminated - are guaranteed to create... "If our gene pool could come up with something like industrialization, what else could our gene pool come up with next if given the chance? Better to not give it the chance at all!"

This has already been answered and debunked:

"You show a stunning amount of (willful) ignorance of Chinese history, if you ignore all of its eras of violence and technological innovation made by the Chinese well before the Italian Renaissance.

But does this mean the Chinese should go extinct? Yes, as does most of Humanity No. The Han Chinese, much like 'whites', are a broad and often vaguely defined group of people. They have been violently Sinicizing people for millennia, which makes the definition of 'Han Chinese' just about as vague as 'white' is. Consider how the 'white' club used to only include the English & French, but eventually, 'white' began to mean Germans, Iberians, Italians, and Slavs. Nowadays, when you look at American census forms you'll even see Arabs & Hispanics grouped together as 'white'. Differences do exist between the Han and 'whites', but this fact remains

My point is that, when you look at broad and often loosely defined groups of people, you see a microcosm of Humanity; the noble, ignoble, and mediocre. Yes, the spiritual Jews exist within all these groups and should be dealt with. But will you actually decrease ethnic discrimination, and ethnic tensions, by lumping the noble and ignoble in one broad group, and say they should all just go extinct, while not applying the same standards to other groups? I think you all know the answer to this."

"(Should runaway technology be blamed on) 'whites', or people inventing technology? There are plenty of 'non-whites' producing technology, and plenty of 'whites' completely hateful of it. You know nothing of history if you believe that people who you would call 'white' invented all technology, and never got ideas from other cultures you would consider 'non-white'. I already shared this with Galahad, but I think this simple image illustrates how the motivators for technological growth aren't even 100% genetic:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6hopzFu6_zU/Tw76-0zY2PI/AAAAAAAAADA/QNMib3ZKWcE/s1600/feudalism+to+Renaissance.png

You ignoring this (again) indicates that you cannot disprove it. You have lost this one as well. Moving on.

>What social conditions would enable the ignoble people in the picture linked above (aboriginal hunter-gatherers) to independently develop quantum computing?

Similar ones that led prehistoric, ancient, Middle Age, Renaissance, Industrial, and Modern Europeans to eventually develop quantum computing. So war, competition, access to certain resources, prosperity granting people the ability to focus on anything beyond food acquisition, limited manpower being resolved through division of labor, skill specialization, and academia, Et cetera. These links will help illustrate this point even more:

https://imgur.com/a/RigGfbb
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6hopzFu6_zU/Tw76-0zY2PI/AAAAAAAAADA/QNMib3ZKWcE/s1600/feudalism+to+Renaissance.pn


Note how these are all social and environmental factors. Your over-emphasis on genetics reflects both a shallow understanding of history, and a lack of understanding of how genetics actually work. Shall we move on?

This has already been answered and debunked:

"You show a stunning amount of (willful) ignorance of Chinese history, if you ignore all of its eras of violence and technological innovation made by the Chinese well before the Italian Renaissance.

Chinese history did not resulting Renaissance, democracy, naturalism, and Aristotelianism. No surprise if they less discriminative and oppressive until today. We want to eliminate the most oppressive group of people from particular gene first, that is gene pool which resulting "whites" and Eurocentrist behaviour

Many tall people are rápists, so when other tall people protest rápe then it doesn't count. It also doesn't really count when short people rápe, because we think that tall people invented rápe first. After all, there are profound fundamental differences between tall and short rápists. So, let's just genocide tall people regardless if they rápe or not.

"Hooray! We solved rápe!"

That's the reason on our goal to erase "whites", they are producing the most tall people on this world. No surprise if on historical records they liked to **** their colonial subject. Erase "whites" first, then the other group of people who behave like "whites"

how the 'white' club used to only include the English & French, but eventually, 'white' began to mean Germans, Iberians, Italians, and Slavs. Nowadays, when you look at American census forms you'll even see Arabs & Hispanics grouped together as 'white'. Differences do exist between the Han and 'whites', but this fact remains

It means that Hispanics and Arabs also more vulnerable to behave with "whiteness" philosophical worldview. No surprise if we historical records, the Arabs ever doing brutal slavery on blacks, but they did it because influences from "white Greek" philosophy which influencing them by their "Golden Age scholars". And also influences from Curse of Ham philosophy which invented by "whites" too. And also, some surveys recently shows us that "Hispanics" which historically mixing with "whites" uring colonial era, tend to close to "whiteness" and distance themselves from solidarity with victim of colonialism, the "colored people". So, that group of people based on that ethnic origins must be totally monitored. And the individuals from that ethnic groups who are behave "white" must forcibly to not reproduce

Yes, the spiritual Jews exist within all these groups and should be dealt with.

This is like state that there's spiritual "white nationalist" too. I don't take your argument seriously on this case.

But will you actually decrease ethnic discrimination, and ethnic tensions, by lumping the noble and ignoble in one broad group, and say they should all just go extinct, while not applying the same standards to other groups? I think you all know the answer to this."

We want discriminate our oppressors, the "whites" until they recognize their fault and peomise to not do it again. The conditions of their acknowledgement are, not reproduce, pay the reparation, and not act with "white" behaviour anymore the rest of their life.

There are plenty of 'non-whites' producing technology, and plenty of 'whites' completely hateful of it.

Until today, "whites" who are poduces most of technology and less "non-whites" who produce it even still have difficulties to produce it. Had we destroy "whites" first, not try to unite them within our ranks because of our blindness view about them like , we will easily solve progressive technological problems which done by the remmnants of people with "white" behaviour.


what you do

You know nothing of history if you believe that people who you would call 'white' invented all technology, and never got ideas from other cultures you would consider 'non-white'. I already shared this with Galahad, but I think this simple image illustrates how the motivators for technological growth aren't even 100% genetic:

Other cultures produce knowledge, "whites" made it into harmful technologies and oppressive philosophical worldview, which gene we must destroy first? I doubt you will not evade from this question.

From your links, you want to state that technological growth also produced from harsh conditions which force group of people to do that. But technological innovations which justified to continue forever with pretext of Judaism, Aristotelianism, Renaissance, and Israelism only come from "white" gene pool. Which gene we must destroy first? Did other people from particular ethnic which other than "white" produce such philosophical worldview?

You ignoring this (again) indicates that you cannot disprove it. You have lost this one as well. Moving on.

You even not answer the 90sRetroFan data statistics only because you consider it "not relevant" and "ad hominem". Your answer merely just judging people not giving an answer. Our points still stand here. Your inability to answer still shown until now.

This is speculation, and an entirely different subject. But it still easily be debunked by pointing out that in this case, your issue is with genetic and environmental factors that contribute to technological growth, not what you'd call the broad and vague ethnic group called "white" people. Read my above comment for further details.

In fact if you aware of history, only whites" who justified their technological innovation and their ruthless colonialism with pretext of environmental condition. See Aristoteles climatic racialism on his book Politics

Furthermore, your response does not resolve the paradoxical claim that anti-racists who'd you call "white" suddenly become racist by reproducing.

"Whites" have eternal fault on their high intelligence and their inability to stop their continuous innovations and behave properly. Even until today they doing neo-colonialism which suffering the so-called "Third World" people economically and environmentally

I won

Because you always ignoring our data. No surprise you can claim something like that

Similar ones that led prehistoric, ancient, Middle Age, Renaissance, Industrial, and Modern Europeans to eventually develop quantum computing. So war, competition, access to certain resources, prosperity granting people the ability to focus on anything beyond food acquisition, limited manpower being resolved through division of labor, skill specialization, and academia, Et cetera. These links will help illustrate this point even more:

No, only people who originally from 4 season land who can developed into "highly intelligent" and largely destructive. Seems you ignoring race-realism.

People from tropical and non-4 season land will keep behave less destructive and less able to interact with material world, even though they experience same large tragedy which experienced by the people from 4 season land.

Note how these are all social and environmental factors. Your over-emphasis on genetics reflects both a shallow understanding of history, and a lack of understanding of how genetics actually work. Shall we move on?

Harsh social and environmental conditions did not made "blacks" doing anything like Renaissance even though they ever war each other like "whites", harsh social and environmental conditions did not made "red skin" and "aboriginal people" doing anything like Renaissance and colonialism even tough they ever war each other like "whites". So, genetics from particular ethnic fundamentally embedded on people"s behaviour. Your race-denialism debunk your arguments. We not want to "move on", we want to destroy you too

"in order to stop the most serial killers?"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19262/#msg19262

You are still talking like my approach is a way to solve the current problem, which I literally just explained it is not (but which your illiteracy ensured you would have difficulty following):

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My aim is to prevent the next problems from being created.

Now point to my fúcking graph

Is this the one?



"What is your proof that this influenced their genetics?"

The Black Plague lasted just a few years and in that time, it killed about 30-60 percent of Europe’s population (Benedictow, 2005). By doing so, it likely took out entire classes of people, which may have had positive effects on the following gene pool. Hence, the story of European success can be partially explained.

This is not to say that the entirety of European genetic change can be to the Black Plague, which would be very likely false. The European shift from bad conditions to great conditions did not happen in only 1300 and 1400, though it did appear to begin there. However, the entirety of European success can be predicted from continuous genetic change, which, itself, may have been sparked from the Black Plague.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/edward-dutton/

"I can pick away at that all day and you know it."

Mike Lindell can also claim all day that Trump won the 2020 election.

"Because not every group of "whites" went through this process"

I hope you do not work with food in real life. You'd be the one against the thoroughly sensible practice of dumping the entire shipment as soon as a chemical hazard is found in one sample:

Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point (HACCP)
...
This prevents outbreaks before they can occur rather than responding to them after the fact

"nor have "non-whites" not gone through similar social processes either (before and after the Renaissance & Industrial revolution)."

But despite this they did not independently produce the Renaissance.

So either you would refuse to dump the entire shipment in which the hazardous sample was found, and thus cause mass poisoning, or else you would demand the dumping of shipments from sources in other parts of the world as well, and thus cause mass starvation.

The correct approach, of course, is to dump every last bit of the shipment in which the hazard was found:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/

and at the same time increase shipments from the other sources to compensate for the quantity loss resulting from the dumping:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/demographic-blueshift/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/operation-gaddafi/

This is common sense.

"just like you can't answer my point about the Chinese"



Does Row 5 cluster with Row 1 or with Rows 4, 6, 7, 8 and 9?

To me the state of Aryanism suggests faults in the idea of strict-dualism. Ascesis isn't the first to see how 90RF's writings went from wise, compassionate and inspiring on the main site to reactive, cruel and offputting on the forums, another recent example being Emily. The unwillingness to salvage good from those people who fall short in whatever criteria and even wishing eternal hell on those people (human or otherwise) for their past trespasses is far removed from the intelligent empathy that made the main site so awesome. And this cruel arrogance fails in yet another aspect, you are not free, the activity on this forum suggests that 90RF and perhaps others are thoroughly enslaved by hatred. Of course you can argue that you're not enslaved by it as you hope to end the cause of hatred and therefore escape, but I have no confidence that this path will ever allow you the freedom it promised. Your idealism was beautiful, but something truly evil has grown from it.

@Bondburger:

"Ascesis isn't the first to see how 90RF's writings went from wise, compassionate and inspiring on the main site to reactive, cruel and offputting on the forums, another recent example being Emily."

Perhaps Ascesis and yourself should seek out a civilian movement and not a movement based upon a foundation of militarism such as Aryanism and National Socialism? You sound like the character on so many western films that kneels next to a mortally wounded character, holding them and stroking their face whilst telling them everything is going to be okay, instead of putting pressure on the wound and preventing them from bleeding-out. Hey, atleast you showed "compassion", who cares if they died when they didn't need to, right? You're a good "compassionate" person, you should be proud of yourself! You, and many others who constantly stop by this forum to see if you can get one of us to hold you and gently stroke your faces, remind me of this:

Not Everyone Was Pleased With the Truce

At least one account has survived of a Christmas Truce gone bad: the story of Private Percy Huggins, a Briton who was relaxing in No Man’s Land with the enemy when a sniper shot to the head killed him and set off more bloodshed. The sergeant who took Huggins’ place, hoping to avenge his death, was then himself picked off and killed.

In another account, a German scolded his fellow soldiers during the Christmas Truce: “Such a thing should not happen in wartime. Have you no German sense of honor left?” That 25-year old soldier’s name was Adolf Hitler...

"The unwillingness to salvage good from those people who fall short in whatever criteria and even wishing eternal hell on those people (human or otherwise) for their past trespasses is far removed from the intelligent empathy that made the main site so awesome."

The U.S. military also removes criminals from it's ranks when they are discovered, as do many military's around the world. Many military's also remove soldiers from their ranks "who fall short in whatever criteria". Another example of this would be the U.S. Army not accepting flat-footed people, or people who cannot pass a physical fitness test. If you do not mind criminals and convicts in your ranks perhaps you should join the Russian army, I hear they're in desperate need of fresh cannon-fodder? Perhaps you will find the "intelligent empathy" you so desperately crave in the Russian military?

"And this cruel arrogance fails in yet another aspect, you are not free, the activity on this forum suggests that 90RF and perhaps others are thoroughly enslaved by hatred."

We fight to be free of our enemies one day. This is the entire point of militarism in the first place. Are you suggesting the best way for the enslaved and oppressed to be free is to love their slave-master and enemies, and to not organize and fight back until they are free?

Why would any sane and "compassionate" person argue that the oppressed were enslaved by hatred prior to being slaves by an actual physical slave-master?

Militarism (noun)

Synonyms & Similar Words

aggression, imperialism, aggressiveness, jingoism, defiance, hostility, militancy, bellicosity, militance, belligerence, belligerency, assaultiveness, contentiousness, pugnacity, combativeness, quarrelsomeness, truculence,
scrappiness, disputatiousness, antagonism, feistiness, fight, unfriendliness, militantness, fierceness, hyperaggressiveness.

Reminder:

We are not a charitable institution but a Party of revolutionary socialists. — Joseph Goebbels