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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2025, 11:48:10 am »
Ok so I’m probably at the receiving end of when I was nervous to show up at the music topic back in summer 2023.
Speak of which, meet me at the music topic.

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« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2025, 02:29:34 pm »
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg21031/#msg21031
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A better definition of "improvement" would be low body fat (achievable through cardio exercises such as running/swimming), which would produce a physique similar to Arno Breker statues.

While exercise does make it easier for non-ectomorphs to look like ectomorphs, most gym freaks would rather prefer to look like mesomorphs (achievable through strength training exercises).

This is in contrast to the most popular exercise of the Counterculture era:
en.wikipedia.org

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After World War II, health-oriented recreational activities such as jogging became popular.[19] The Royal Canadian Air Force Exercise Plans, developed by Dr. Bill Orban and published in 1961, helped to launch modern fitness culture.[20][21]

Physical therapists Col. Pauline Potts and Dr. Kenneth H. Cooper,[22] both of the United States Air Force, advocated the concept of aerobic exercise. In the 1960s, Cooper started research into preventive medicine. He conducted the first extensive research on aerobic exercise on over 5,000 U.S. Air Force personnel[23][24] after becoming intrigued by the belief that exercise can preserve one's health. In 1966 he coined the term "aerobics". Two years later, in 1968, he published a book of the same name. In 1970, he created the Cooper Institute for non-profit research and education devoted to preventive medicine. He published a mass-market version of his book The New Aerobics in 1979. Cooper encouraged millions into becoming active and is now known as the "father of aerobics".[25][26] Cooper's book inspired Jacki Sorensen to create aerobic dancing exercise routines, which grew in popularity in the 1970s in the U.S., and at the same time, Judi Missett developed and expanded Jazzercise.

In the 1970s, there was a running boom. It was inspired by the Olympics, the New-York marathon and the advent of cushioned shoes.[27]

Aerobics at home became popular worldwide after the release of Jane Fonda's Workout exercise video in 1982.[28][29] Step aerobics was popular in the 1990s, driven by a step product and program from Reebok shoes.
when ectomorphy was worshipped.

Aerobics/cardio can also be comparable to the stamina based labor of Neolithic subsistence farmers:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-hearts/

What do you think of aerobics?

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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2025, 05:59:51 pm »
"Aerobics/cardio can also be comparable to the stamina based labor of Neolithic subsistence farmers:"

I agree, except the latter expends energy for labour, whereas the former expends energy for the sake of expending energy, which feels wasteful. For example, I myself dislike going on runs (track/treadmill/etc.) that fulfill no practical travel purpose. Instead, I prefer incorporating running into my grocery shopping (empty backpack outbound, backpack filled with groceries inbound), which achieves a journey that I would have needed to go on anyway. I despise those who exercise in the gym but also drive cars everywhere. If they are willing to expend so much energy, why not expend part of it to drive less? Similarly, I despise even more those who exercise in the gym but also hire domestic help for cleaning the house. Why not clean the house yourself FFS? And so on.
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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2025, 07:16:26 pm »
That’s actually a good point.
Though for the point about cars, sadly not every city/neighborhood is pedestrian friendly. Considering roads that are relatively large and distant, no wonder why people drive. To say nothing that some of them have crappy road management (which usually attracts crappy drivers, traffic policing, DMVs, etc) leading to more pedestrians involved in car accidents. Why do Westerners make simple living so difficult?

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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2026, 03:44:09 am »
Foul play behind death of Counterculture leader?

For generations of Chinese audiences, the 1980s television series The Legendary Fok (Da Xia Huo Yuanjia) remains an insurmountable cultural peak. Streets
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For generations of Chinese audiences, the 1980s television series The Legendary Fok (Da Xia Huo Yuanjia) remains an insurmountable cultural peak. Streets emptied as viewers gathered to witness the spirit of Huo Yuanjia and Chen Zhen. Above all, Bruce Leung Siu-lung’s portrayal of Chen Zhen—unyielding, righteous, and intolerant of evil—left an indelible mark. His flying kick shattered not only the infamous “Sick Man of East Asia” signboard, but symbolically struck back at a century of national humiliation.

Previous Leung coverage:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg31051/#msg31051

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https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1AF411w7m2/

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In life, Bruce Leung closely resembled Chen Zhen himself: sincere, passionate, and deeply patriotic. Tragically, that devotion was misplaced.

As early as 1984, Leung traveled to mainland China filled with hope, publicly declaring: “As a Chinese person, I silently wish for the economic takeoff of my motherland.” This heartfelt statement, uttered against the backdrop of the Cold War, triggered a total blacklist from Taiwan. At the time, Hong Kong’s film industry depended heavily on the Taiwanese market, and directors no longer dared to cast him.

From stardom he fell into hardship. He sold goods at street stalls, hawked socks, and endured nearly twenty prime years without meaningful roles. What he never seriously confronted was the fatal misconception underlying his sacrifice: the CCP is not China, and the China he loved was never synonymous with the CCP. This misunderstanding cost him a lifetime.

Believing he had suffered for his “country,” Leung failed to see that the regime he defended never protected him. Only in 2004 did Stephen Chow’s Kung Fu briefly return him to public attention as the “Beast.” He could not have known that his turbulent life would end in such a grim and unsettling manner.

For decades, the author argues, Leung lived under the CCP’s united front influence—only recognizing the regime’s predatory nature at the very end.

Bruce Leung’s death: one forbidden video

By all accounts, Bruce Leung remained physically strong. A lifelong martial artist in his seventies, he practiced boxing and shared hotpot with friends the day before his death, showing no signs of illness. Yet death arrived with chilling precision.

The timeline is key:

    Jan. 13, 2026: Leung posted more than twenty emotionally charged videos on Douyin (China’s version of TikTok), speaking out about the Ningbo “Xiao Luoxi” child trafficking case. He declared: “I hope more people pay attention to trafficked children… I suggest severe punishment for traffickers, especially those who mutilate children. They should be sentenced to death. It’s too cruel.”
    Jan. 14, 2026: One day later, Bruce Leung died suddenly.
    Jan. 14–17, 2026: News of his death was comprehensively suppressed.
    Jan. 18, 2026: Friends quietly disclosed the death. The family announced that the funeral would be handled “low-key,” with burial scheduled for Jan. 26.

One day he calls for the death penalty for child traffickers; the next, he himself is gone.

Why did those words prove fatal?

In today’s China, the phrase “crack down on child traffickers” carries an unspoken implication: opposition to forced organ harvesting. According to allegations long circulated in overseas Chinese dissident circles, the CCP has transformed organ transplantation into a lucrative “pillar industry,” supplying elite longevity projects often referred to as the “150-year life program.”

Recall:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/e0W_VQzLaio

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By explicitly condemning the mutilation of children—what the author equates with organ theft—Bruce Leung, a highly influential public figure, was seen as striking directly at one of the regime’s most secretive and profitable black chains.

The comment that appeared almost immediately under his video—“You’re in danger”—was not a joke, but a grim warning.

A bizarre ‘farewell’ and Jackie Chan’s coded message

After Leung’s death, a series of unsettling anomalies deepened suspicion.

On Jan.18, the day his death was made public, his Douyin account posted a strange message dated Jan. 14: “Please forgive my sudden departure. Just think of it as me going far away to shoot a film… I like a bit of mystery… Remember that I love you all.”

The tone resembles the “stability maintenance” scripts seen in numerous unexplained death cases—polished, sentimental, and implausible. The author argues that such words are incompatible with Leung’s blunt, martial temperament and appear manufactured to suppress questions and soothe public emotion.

Jackie Chan’s condolence message added another layer. He wrote: “Brother Leung, it’s snowing in Beijing. The sky is very overcast. I miss you.”

In Chinese political language, darkened skies often signal danger and unspeakable pressure. The author interprets this as the faintest signal an insider dared to send: that day, darkness ruled.

A bloody warning to Hong Kong’s cultural elite?

Bruce Leung’s death, the author contends, was not merely about silencing one man but about establishing terror. As public anger grows over organ harvesting allegations and grassroots resistance spreads, a figure of Leung’s stature speaking out risked triggering a cascade of elite dissent.
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Bruce Leung spent his life portraying heroes who defeated invaders, only to fall in reality to what the author calls the butcher’s knife of his “own side.”

The issue Leung championed:

The sudden death of a 74-day-old infant hospitalized for nasal congestion has renewed public outrage in China, with the family alleging record tampering that point to a troubling pattern of unexpla...
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Following two recent infant death cases that have rocked China, the Ningbo “Xiao Luoxi” case and the 22-day-old baby at Xiangya Second Hospital in Changsha, another tragedy has now emerged from the country’s Heilongjiang Province.

A 74-day-old baby girl died after being hospitalized for just four days due to nasal congestion at Mudanjiang Women and Children’s Hospital. The child’s mother alleges that the hospital altered nursing records more than 1,900 times and emergency treatment records over 60 times.
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The mother further claimed that many of these changes were made more than a week after her daughter died, and that some consultation records contained signatures from doctors who never appeared.
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“The doctors claimed the surgery was successful and tricked us into signing documents, but the incision between her ribs wasn’t even stitched. She bled to death.”
“This isn’t a medical accident. This is murder—and a group murder. The entire Ningbo Women and Children’s Hospital committed murder.”

Her posts were repeatedly scrubbed and deleted from social media.

Leung has achieved the only immortality that matters, namely becoming his own pop culture archetype:



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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2026, 08:33:03 pm »


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I still don't know how Batman won The fight against Liam Neeson on the train at the end of Batman Begins. Couldn't see a damn thing.

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I hate, hate "handheld" wobble cam being added to everything these days.  You shouldn't get motion sickness watching a scene without motion!

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This quick multi-cut type of editing is so bad.. it can serve a purpose, like everything - Hong Kong cinema also uses it but with different intension and much more sparingly. And that is the big difference. There they use it to enhance actors that know what they are doing, Hollywood uses it to hide actors who don’t really know what they are doing

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This is why I love Hong Kong cinema in the old days

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Action these days seems like they took action pulp and extracted the essence out of it and spray it on to give the impression of action.

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The 90s had heart and soul

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Not just 90s action movies. Almost every genre had some peak movies in the 1990s. Even romantic comedies were at their peak.

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Everything from the 90s is my favorite

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I reckon you can pinpoint when the look/feel changed was around 28 days later time and digital movies really took off.

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Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2026, 06:34:39 pm »
I too have noticed a difference in quality, feel, and visuals in movies from the 1990s and the ones made today. Relevant videos:







Often I'll go on Letterboxd and find a hidden gem from the 1990s, and feel genuinely confused as to why there are so many amazing movies from that era that are outside of popular memory.

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Today's Hollywood is so detached from heartfelt romance that they could never make a film like this.

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« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2026, 02:09:48 am »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg32649/#msg32649



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Hong Kong in the 1980s had no money, no insurance and no computers, and it made the best action films ever put on screen anyway. Every time American action got good, it was because somebody was copying that city. Every time it broke, it was because they had stopped.

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Maybe I'm an ****, but when I have conversations with people and the topic is about action films and they start naming what they think are the top 10 greatest action films of all time and name only Hollywood films, I'm asking, is this the top 10 Hollywood action films? Or top 10 action films? Because if we're talking top 10 action films from anywhere, a Hollywood film doesn't crack the top 10. It's all Hong Kong.

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People in the west have no idea how bad Hollywood cinema actually is until recently unless they understand analyses like this to point them to why Hong Kong cinema produces far superior action movies.

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Looking back, the Heroic Bloodshed genre is easily one of the most revolutionary in cinema, action movie or otherwise.

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Great stuff! I was a video store HK movie nerd in the 90's. I have fond memories of trying to find Bride with White Hair and Heroic Trio in my small town. But I did and they live close to my heart. What a great community the Hong Kong action scene was back then!

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There is a lot of good Taiwanese actors and actress that did Hong Kong movies. Hong Kong did the films that China neglected such as Ancient China and martial arts.

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As fans of the genre that grew up carrying the values these films lived and breathed, such as egalitarianism, meritocracy, talent rising to the top and stories with a grounded moral compass, we grew up absorbing them and became better man than any school assembly lecture could instil into us.

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Just saw the new street fighter trailer. Had to come watch this to make sense why it felt so disappointing. Hollywood has learned nothing for the last 40-50 years