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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #60 on: May 25, 2021, 08:50:44 pm »
The Western mindset regarding environmental sustainability is to encourage all the things circled in green (except eating a plant-based diet, for some reason). Note that Western civilization is the reason why basically all the 'problems' listed on the chart exist in the first place. (Further note that the person making the chart had to duplicate part of the chart to expand the bars in order to fill space and make it look like the other options even had any impact...)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wynes_Nicholas_CO2_emissions_savings.svg

Not having a child is an order of magnitude better than all the other 'solutions' combined. However, this would break the cycle and there would be nothing to continue sustaining if children stopped being born, so Westerners do not even consider this as a potential option.

Of course, in reality, society would continue to exist and sustain itself even if families were limited to a single child (China has certainly not stopped existing). I guess the Western mindset is so heavily linked with infinite expansion that simply imagining all the potential grand-children, great-grandchildren, etc. that could not be born in the future is considered antithetical to the Western way of looking at sustainability. Therefore reducing the number of humans is off the table since they do not view that as a future worth sustaining?

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #61 on: May 25, 2021, 09:00:10 pm »
It has long been a popular "conspiracy" to suggest that medical companies would rather people be unhealthy in order to continue charging them for treatment, instead of curing them. Well, now it is proven that this is indeed how they think.

The least cynical interpretation for the following article is that these companies are simply going to stop investing in researching medical techniques for certain types of diseases which can be eradicated, since they will not yield a sustainable return on investment. This is different than intentionally withholding (already existing) curative treatment to patients in order to suck the money out of them with recurring treatments like a vampire. Or buying and suppressing the rights to already-existing treatments, in order to continue using ones which are more financially sustainable to the companies.

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Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’
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“The potential to deliver ‘one shot cures’ is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically-engineered cell therapy and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies,” analyst Salveen Richter wrote in the note to clients Tuesday. “While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow.”
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“GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients,” the analyst wrote. “In the case of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, curing existing patients also decreases the number of carriers able to transmit the virus to new patients, thus the incident pool also declines … Where an incident pool remains stable (eg, in cancer) the potential for a cure poses less risk to the sustainability of a franchise.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #62 on: May 25, 2021, 10:51:33 pm »
"I guess the Western mindset is so heavily linked with infinite expansion that simply imagining all the potential grand-children, great-grandchildren, etc. that could not be born in the future is considered antithetical to the Western way of looking at sustainability. Therefore reducing the number of humans is off the table since they do not view that as a future worth sustaining?"

I just want to emphasize how obliviously sadistic many ordinary Westerners are:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/demographic-time-bomb-hit-italy-183207274.html

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"Once you could hear the babies in the nursery cry, and it was like music," Sciullo told the New York Times. "Now there is silence and a feeling of emptiness."

They literally enjoy listening to children suffering!!!

And click here if you want to be grossed out:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fertility-treatment-too-expensive-had-164648919.html (the author is almost certainly a Jew)

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2021, 01:04:31 am »
Another full circle:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/short-block-horseshoe-crab-harvest-145836725.html

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After short block, horseshoe crab harvest on SC wildlife refuge allowed to continue again

Westerners: "As long as it is sustainable, what's the problem?"

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2021, 11:43:46 pm »
What happens when Western civilization assumes a species had already gone extinct and then discovers otherwise?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/extinct-giant-tortoise-found-galapagos-211205101.html

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An elderly female tortoise discovered during a 2019 expedition has been identified as a chelonoidis phantasticus, also known as fernandina giant tortoise.
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The female is currently at a breeding centre in Santa Cruz Island
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Danny Rueda, director of the Galapagos National Park, said that a future expedition would look for more individuals. "This discovery undoubtedly renews our hope for the recovery of this species," he said.

They will imprison you and force you to reproduce whether you like it or not.



No other civilization does this. So why do all the other civilizations accept it when Western civilization does it?

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #65 on: May 29, 2021, 03:54:49 am »
More of the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/back-brink-iberian-lynx-population-132926823.html

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MADRID (Reuters) - The Iberian lynx population in Portugal and Spain rose above 1,000 last year after 414 cubs were born under a joint breeding programme, in a major leap towards conserving the endangered species, Spain's Environment Ministry said on Friday.

The initiative was launched in 2002 when the number of Iberian lynx, a wild cat native to the Iberian Peninsula, plunged to just 94 in Spain and none in Portugal, due to farming, poaching and road accidents.

By the end of last year there were 1,111 Iberian lynx living in the wild in the region, including 239 breeding females, the ministry said in a statement. The number was a record high since monitoring of the species began, it said.

There is no escape so long as Western civilization continues.

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #66 on: June 04, 2021, 04:20:55 am »
Westerners do sustainable evil for cash prizes!

https://us.yahoo.com/news/hunt-burmese-pythons-florida-natives-152013243.html

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MIAMI (AP) — Professional python hunters and amateurs alike have a chance to win prizes in Florida's annual hunt for the biggest snakes — the Burmese pythons that are ravaging the state's native species.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis announced the state's annual contest on Thursday: It will run from July 9 to 18 and include prizes for both pros and novices. In both categories, there will be a $2,500 prize for catching the most pythons and $1,500 for the longest.



It is DeSantis who needs to be hunted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_DeSantis

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In 2013, DeSantis introduced the Palestinian Accountability Act, which would halt U.S. aid to the Palestinian Authority until it formally recognizes Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and cuts off all ties with the militant group Hamas.[158]

In 2016, DeSantis co-introduced the Non-Discrimination of Israel in Labeling Act, which would defend the right of Israeli producers to label products manufactured in the West Bank as "Israeli", "Made in Israel," or "Product of Israel."[159] He supported the relocation of the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.[160]

As governor, DeSantis pledged to be "the most pro-Israel governor in America".[161] In light of Airbnb's decision to no longer allow rentals of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, on January 15, 2019, DeSantis directed the Department of Management Services to no longer reimburse state employees and state contractors for travel expenses incurred with Airbnb;[162] later that month he accepted the State Board of Administration's recommendation to place Airbnb on Florida's "Scrutinized Companies List".[163] In May, DeSantis visited Israel, accompanied by megadonor to his 2018 gubernatorial campaign and staunch Zionist Sheldon Adelson, to attend a ceremony held between Florida Atlantic University and Ariel University, celebrating the agreement of a plan to exchange and research opportunities between the universities' respective students.[161][164]
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DeSantis was a critic of Obama's immigration policies; he opposed Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) and accused him of failing to enforce immigration laws.[179][180] DeSantis opposes "sanctuary cities."[181] He is a co-sponsor of the Establishing Mandatory Minimums for Illegal Reentry Act of 2015, also known as Kate's Law, which would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to increase penalties applicable to aliens who unlawfully reenter the United States after being removed.[182] In 2017, DeSantis spoke at ACT! for America, an anti-Muslim advocacy group.[183]
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According to the Tampa Bay Times, DeSantis "made a name for himself [in 2017] attacking special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election."[192]

DeSantis proposed an amendment that would halt funding for Mueller's 2017 Special Counsel investigation probe six months after the amendment's passage.[193] In addition, the provision would prohibit Mueller from investigating matters that occurred before June 2015, when Trump launched his presidential campaign.[194] In December 2017, DeSantis asserted that if there was any evidence of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and Russian officials, it would already have been leaked.[195]
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After Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and refused to concede while making false claims of fraud, DeSantis and other Republicans proposed changes to restrict voting rights in Florida.
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In response to social media networks removing Donald Trump from their platforms, DeSantis and other Florida Republicans pushed legislation in the Florida legislature to prohibit technology companies from de-platforming political candidates.[214]

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2021, 12:29:47 am »
How to do Western science contd.:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/backlash-against-frightening-tests-whales-235349303.html

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The project, the largest of its kind ever attempted, is due to begin any day now.
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The goal is to use huge nets to drive 12 young minke whales into a holding pen - and local observers have confirmed that everything seems ready.

According to the Norwegian Food Safety Authority, the official body that's authorised the project, each whale will be held for up to six hours.

They will undergo blood tests and have electrodes fitted under their skin to measure their hearing.
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It is officially acknowledged that the whales will experience pain, particularly while they are held between two rafts while their hearing is tested.

The Norwegian Food Safety Authority judges that the severity of the experiment will be "moderate" and it defines what that means: "Animals are likely to experience short-term moderate pain, suffering or distress, or long-lasting mild pain, suffering or distress," it said.

It also said that "moderately severe" experiments of this kind "are likely to cause moderate impairment of the well-being or general condition of the animals".

But it concludes that by learning more about how noise pollution disturbs marine animals, the research will benefit minke whales and other species - so it should go ahead.

In other words, because noise pollution disturbs marine animals, Western scientists will disturb them with even more noise in order to study how disturbed they can be.

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2021, 10:38:58 pm »
https://sports.yahoo.com/florida-diver-praised-spearing-record-170937521.html

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A Florida diver set two records recently by spearing and removing a large lionfish from the Gulf of Mexico.

The lionfish measured 18.7 inches and weighed 3.77 pounds, making it the longest and heaviest of its species speared in Florida’s Gulf waters.

Whitfield, while diving June 10 off Okaloosa County, was participating in a state-sponsored program that encourages the removal of invasive lionfish by any legal means of fishing.
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According to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, two species of lionfish native to the Indo-Pacific have “invaded” Florida waters and may pose a significant threat to native wildlife and habitat.

Remember: this is how our enemies view us also. But when they themselves actually invade, they call it "discovery".

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The state now offers prize incentives and sponsors tournaments specific to lionfish. The annual Lionfish Challenge is an integral link in the population control effort.

In 2019, 25,000 lionfish were removed during the Challenge. In 2020, 21,569 lionfish were harvested and David Connerth was proclaimed Lionfish King after he removed 1,141 lionfish via recreational fishing methods.

Isidoro Bedoya was named Commercial Champion after removing 1,196.5 pounds of lionfish.

The state also recognizes weight and length records in spearfishing and hook-and-line categories for Atlantic and Gulf waters.

Whitfield’s speared lionfish, at 3.77 pounds, is the heaviest overall. The angling weight record stands at 2.3 pounds, set by Darren Parker in the Gulf in 2016.

Sustainability and record-breaking at the same time! So Western!




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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2021, 10:00:06 am »
Video illustrating sustainability:
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« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2021, 10:00:57 pm »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/utah-encouraging-people-catch-twice-214936664.html

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Utah is encouraging people to catch up to twice the fish they're normally allowed as rising water temperatures threaten to kill off supplies

In other words:

1) Western civilization cause global warming.
2) Global warming kills fish.
3) Western civilization recommends Westerners kill fish before global warming kills fish.

Anyone who is serious about solving the problem should understand that it is Western civilization and Westerners - the ones who created the problem - who need to be killed off.

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« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2021, 09:40:18 pm »
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57881979

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Thousands of racehorses are being sent to slaughterhouses in Britain and Ireland, a BBC Panorama investigation has found.

Some of the slaughtered animals were once owned and trained by some of the biggest names in racing.

Covert recording also showed how rules designed to protect horses from a cruel death appear to be regularly ignored at one of the UK's biggest abattoirs.
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The horses had retired from racing due to injury, he said

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/olympics/msg7426/#msg7426

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« Reply #73 on: July 27, 2021, 03:13:25 am »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/volunteers-killed-dozens-mountain-goats-161958377.html

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More than 100 volunteers killed dozens of mountain goats in Grand Teton National Park last fall. This year they’ll kill even more, park officials said.

Grand Teton National Park officials started a multi-year program to kill non-native mountain goats that invaded the area from Idaho. They think removing the goats is absolutely necessary to protect the park and the Teton Range’s herd of about 125 native bighorn sheep.
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Grand Teton National Park isn’t the only one using skilled volunteers to kill invasive animals. The Grand Canyon also sought volunteers to kill hundreds of bison over five years.

Non-humans have been freely migrating from area to area for millions of years without problems. Then Western civilization came along and came up with the abstraction of "invasive animals". In reality, there is nothing more invasive than Westerners deciding where other people can and cannnot migrate to.

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« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2021, 11:42:53 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/happens-allow-hundreds-snake-hunters-162000871.html

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Gov. Ron DeSantis, in between battling with President Joe Biden about mask mandates, announced that the 2021 Florida Python Challenge has a new king.

The 10-day event, from July 9-18, resulted in the removal of a record 223 invasive pythons from South Florida, DeSantis said.
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“Invasive Burmese pythons have wreaked havoc in the Everglades, negatively impacting native ecosystem and biodiversity,” DeSantis said.

Spoken while it is actually Westerners wreaking havoc: