True Left

"comfortable conditions are result from progressivism"

Where - a modern country or an ancient country - would you choose to be born if you cannot control which individual you will be born as? Because if you choose to be born in a modern country, the probability is >99.9999999999% that you would be born as one of the victims here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/

and <0.00000000001% that you would be born as someone living comfortably. This is the full picture of what results from progress.

As Zea_mays expressed eloquently:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg6698/#msg6698

More humans are enslaved today than at any point in history, and more animals are enslaved today than at any point in history.

"And many of them will leave the nation and seek refuge to the West."

That is what we want to happen.

"Or, try to make a coup to forcibly change it's leader."

This is what we are trying to prevent, in order to maintain the emigration incentive.

"the undeveloped nations will make their people's starving because their backwardness."

Starvation is much less likely when all food is grown locally, which is how it was done for most of history. Relying on imports is what leads to starvation when deliveries stop. This is almost entirely a modern phenomenon, set up by Western civilization during the colonial era.

"What is the another good answer for that problem?"

You should collect movies and TV shows set in pre-modern times and which portray pre-modern life in a positive light, and then encourage people to watch these.

"The world will be boring"

Why are so many people drawn to fiction set in ancient times despite living in modernity unless they feel that it is the latter which is actually boring?

"full of disease"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/

Just think about:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/coronavirus/

If travelling long distances was as slow and as rare as it was in ancient times, there would have been no global pandemic.

"And people will sad and not want to live longer on this world anymore. They will see the world is the most harsh and evil thing they ever experience."

So do the victims here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/

except they cannot end it even if they want to.

As I already covered here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/debate-with-the-progressives/msg14179/#msg14179

Where - a modern country or an ancient country - would you choose to be born if you cannot control which individual you will be born as? Because if you choose to be born in a modern country, the probability is >99.9999999999% that you would be born as one of the victims here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/

and <0.00000000001% that you would be born as someone living comfortably. This is the full picture of what results from progress.

Which is worse: a world where the people who feel sad can choose to leave, or a world where the people who feel sad cannot choose to leave?

(But which world would Yahweh prefer?)

I always go back to the air conditioner analogy. If a Western air conditioner cools Room A by blowing the hot air into Room B, of course A is a more comfortable room to be in. If you do your Happiness Score survey in these two rooms, of course A will score higher than B. But the people in A who invented the Western air conditioner should be not admired but hated by the people in B. And an outsider should trivially conclude that the people in A are inferior to the people in B.

Western civilization as a whole works like its air conditioner. Everyone able to perceive this understands that Western civilization is inferior.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/msg14085/#msg14085

"the more complex the technological tools are. The more people learn and live in this world with more difficulties because their need to understand to manage that technological tools."

This is true too. In ancient times, you learn a few skills which would be all you needed for your entire life. Now, we have learn new skills every year just because some annoying Western machinist has added yet another new machine to civic infrastructure which the rest of us are then forced to get used to, while old skills that we put effort into learning in the past become outdated. Worst of all, the Western machinist is given prizes, awards, etc. by other Westerners for doing this to us without our consent! Every machine added to civic infrastructure without unanimous consent is violence initiated on all who did not consent (but whose lives are still altered by it thereafter). Western civilization literally rewards machinists for initiating AoE violence!

We have a whole topic about this:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/

How much creation is enough? No progressive has ever been able to answer this. There is never an enough for them. They will always want more. No quantity of creation removes the desire to create further. Creativity is the worst form of greed. Greed for what already exists (covetousness) at least can theoretically be satisfied if one is allowed to own everything that currently exists. But creativity is greed for what does not yet exist, therefore it can never be satisfied. Moreover, by constantly increasing what exists, a side-effect of creativity is to ensure covetousness cannot be satisfied either.

"He said that Mohammad's marriage with a 7th old child was the flaw of Islamic teachings. I told him back that Islamic teachings can be enhanced to adapt to the today's complex living with forbid the child marriage."

What?! You are talking like a progressive. I explicitly warned against this approach:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/inspired-by-muhammad/msg13559/#msg13559

The most common False Left approach I have seen to defend Mohammed is to patronizingly say that he was a person of his time and therefore cannot be faulted for behaviour that modern people behaving the same way can be faulted for. This is a progressive attitude, implying that ancient people in general were morally inferior to modern people in general, and that it is not their fault for being born in that earlier and hence less developed era. In short, False Leftists consider Mohammed as an individual to be superior to most ancient people, but inferior to even the average modern person. This is how strongly they believe in progressivism.

Children should be allowed to marry whenever they want! To not let them decide for themselves is to oppress them! (Note that under democracy, children cannot vote either. Not letting children vote and not letting children marry are two manifestations of the same adult attitude.)

"But being couple or parents need to be more physically and psychologically developed."

So adults should be the ones to judge when children are "developed" enough to do anything? You cannot be a True Leftist if you believe this. (Should "whites" be the ones to judge when "non-whites" are "developed" enough to do anything? That is basically the pro-colonialism position.)

"Seeing that being a couple need to able to solve the complex problem."

If children want to try solving the problem, they should be allowed to try. If they fail, it is no one else's fault. But if they want to try, and adults initiate violence to prevent them from trying, then the adults deserve retaliatory violence. (Running a country also involves solving complex problems. Maybe "non-whites" should just let "whites" run everything? That's what you sound like right now.)

"The relationship atittude, the living as a couples, managing economy's household need more developed psychological condition."

You are saying what "white" colonialists say about why colonialism is good: "non-whites" do not have a "developed psychological condition" needed to run their own countries.

"I afraid that the couple children to have s*x and soon they have children when their emotion still unstable."

At that point they are initiating violence, and at that point they deserve retaliatory violence. But until then we cannot initiate violence against them. ("White" colonialists also think "non-whites'" emotions are still unstable. Do you agree with that too?)

"It can oppress their child."

Adults are responsible for almost all the oppression of children in reality, yet you are more worried that children might oppress children? ("White" colonialists also claim to worry more about "non-whites" oppressing "non-whites" even as they are the ones perpetrating almost all the oppression against "non-whites" themselves in reality.)

"I am a victim of oppressive parents too"

How old were your parents when they gave birth to you?

"What? How can they suddenly care to "non-whites"."

They don't. They just say they do in order to justify dominating "non-whites". Similarly, adults do not care about children. They just say they do in order to justify dominating children.

And you seem to be supporting the adults.....